Intelligent design supporters: "evolutionists have too much religion".

Too weird.

The Discovery Institute (the well-known "nonpartisan public policy think tank" - which actually means "creationist front" is claiming that this discussion question

"introduc[es] religion into science classes" and is therefore unconstitutional.


So, let me see if I have this straight:

- If the Discovery Institute claims that teaching "Intelligent Design" deserves equal time with evolution, that's not bringing religion into the classroom.

- If PBS says that evolution and religion are not incompatible, that is unconstitutional.

Did I get that right?

Because if I did, then PBS deserve all the praise I can give them; for the Discovery Institute to resort to something so blatantly dishonest, PBS must have them rattled. Badly.

Go PBS!

Need a link to the origin of this comment.

But yeah, PBS just ran a documentary (two-hour long special on Nova) about the case in Pennsylvania where teaching Creationism (Intelligent Design, whatever) in public (that's "state" to you) schools was declared unconstitutional.

And the horrific storms that Pat Robertson predicted have yet to occur.

If only God were as infallible as Dr. Paul.

if only.

Look in the spoiler. Unless you mean the one in the title. I made that one up.

The decision in that case is fantastic. The Judge just demolishes the entire concept of intelligent design.

The assertion that evolution is somehow inherently religious is a novel concept. I mean, it's clearly absurdly wrong, but you have to admit it's a pretty creative argument in its stupidity.

Except in his teacup.

No, I've got the link right here.

That spoiler was not there before. I swear it.

You are right, and very very quick; I posted it, thought "oops no source", edited and cut+paste. Less than two minutes.

Sorry.

Whew! And there I thought I was just being an oblivious doofus.

Edit: OK, I read about the first 30 pages. Brutal... the whole ID structure, summed up and dismantled. I love it

Yeah, the good bit begins at page 18. Skip to that if you're just starting from scratch and want to see the fun stuff.

Something extra sciencey. Like the Science of Science.

Oh! Scientology. It's perfect!

Finished it. Wow. The bits toward the end, where members of the Board are voting for this nonsense without any understanding of what they're voting for... astonishing.

And if I want to refer to that judgement, it's Kitzmuller? is that right?

Yeah. Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, 400 F. Supp. 2d 707 (M.D. Pa. 2005), if you're citing it formally, but just "Kitzmiller" or "Kitzmiller v. Dover" will do generally.

It's important to note that it's a district court opinion, so it's not necessarily binding anywhere but that district court. However, it's so exhaustively well-written and researched that most courts will consider it as persuasive precedent.