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a548456

a548456

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

SEP 12, 2003 07:16 PM

Okay, something happened to a friend of mine today that really surprized and shocked me. My friend's a 24 year old female student. Shes not Supermodel beautiful, but by no means is she plain or un-attractive. She's also gay.
This a guy tried hitting on her, so she told him she wasn't interested as she's gay and has a girlfriend. The guy then goes completely nuts saying how that's "Against the rules" that "Because she's a girl she has to be with a man" and "what she needed was a Real Man to sort her out..."
What the fuck kind of attitude is that to have towards someone?! This is supposed to be the 21st century, for pity's sake.mad
I think it's pathetic how the same kind of beer-swilling ape that probably wanks off over girl-girl porn can't stand to be turned down by a lesbian.
I once had a girl tell me she was gay. Half-way through our date. That was hardly great fun, but I didn't fly off the handle and go nuts.
Guys like him are a minority aren't they? Please tell me they are...
Spike

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

SEP 12, 2003 07:18 PM

They are either a very vocal minority or they just tend to gather together and be neanderthals together, therefore making it look like there are a lot more of them about.

And they should all be punched in the nuts.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

SEP 12, 2003 07:23 PM

i wonder if anyone's ever said this back - "cut off the cock, get a sex change, and then maybe you'll have a chance."

if someone changed their sex for me, i'd at least give them the courtesy of dinner and a movie. smile

a548456

a548456

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

SEP 12, 2003 07:25 PM

Morgan said:
And they should all be punched in the nuts.



That's what I thought when my friend told me, but didn't want to say so incase I appeared to be lowering myself to that level blush

Spike

troglodyte

troglodyte

Victoria, BC
May 2003

SEP 12, 2003 07:30 PM

Morgan said:
They are either a very vocal minority or they just tend to gather together and be neanderthals together, therefore making it look like there are a lot more of them about.

And they should all be punched in the nuts.




That's about it in a nutshell.
Getting rejected is never fun, so idiots like that lash out to try to take the edge off. Had she not said she's gay, he may very well accused her of being so.

a548456

a548456

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

SEP 12, 2003 07:30 PM

s5 said:
i wonder if anyone's ever said this back - "cut off the cock, get a sex change, and then maybe you'll have a chance."

if someone changed their sex for me, i'd at least give them the courtesy of dinner and a movie. smile



Next week I'm meeting up with another lesbian friend to teach her to play pool, and she hasn't said anything to me about a sex change yet...wink
Spike

Max16Characters

Max16Characters

Korea, Republic Of
March 2003

SEP 12, 2003 07:37 PM

I'm a straight guy and i love women. I love everything about them and the thought and video of two hot women getting it on with each other is very appealing to me (again because i like looking at women, seeing two of them together is some hot hotness). This is also a fantasy world where the idea is better than the reality. While the idea of two women together is some hot stuff, in reality, it really blows when someone you're strongly attracted to turns out to be gay. In my case, the first woman i ever fell in love with turned out to be gay and about three other women i've been extremely attracted to turned out to be lesbians (might have something to do with my attraction to tom-boys though whatever )

That being said, i'll say that this guy falls into the either category of people who can't accept the fact that they can't get what they want or he truly feels that he could be the one for her who could "show her the light"l. I'll even venture to say that some girls are predominantly gay but maybe really haven't met the right guy that could click with them (though maybe there is no such guy and they were well and truly meant for women).

My friends who are gay have this theory that no one is totally gay and no one is totally straight. That you can like the same sex 99% of the time but mabye there's that 1% where you meet someone of the opposite sex who just clicks in every way or vice versa. So maybe the guy was thinking this or maybe the girl is very well and truly never going to be with or meet the "right man". Lord knows i thought i could have made the women happy who i've been strongly attracted to who turned out to be gay and i would have loved for them to give me a chance to see if i could turn them, but i'll accept that maybe I'm not that one or maybe there is no one who can. We are who we are after all.

a548456

a548456

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

SEP 12, 2003 07:48 PM

I guess the other thing that kinda shook me was when I thought "I can't imagine a woman doing that if she was turned down by a gay guy" Sure, they may still try and get the guy in bed to 'make him straight', but I can't see them start yelling and being abusive about it...confused
Spike

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

SEP 12, 2003 07:58 PM

I think a lot of assholes operate under the idea that they "deserve" to get sex from women, and when women reject them, those women are denying them their "rights".

handle

handle

I'm lost
July 2003

SEP 12, 2003 08:04 PM

Spike said: I guess the other thing that kinda shook me was when I thought "I can't imagine a woman doing that if she was turned down by a gay guy" Sure, they may still try and get the guy in bed to 'make him straight', but I can't see them start yelling and being abusive about it...

Live in the midwest for a couple years. Ive seen redneck girls exhibit just as many negative qualities as chunk head frat guys. Stupid irrational outbursts aren't exclusive to any particular gender.

Helter

Helter

Chester, PA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 12, 2003 08:13 PM

Spike said:
I guess the other thing that kinda shook me was when I thought "I can't imagine a woman doing that if she was turned down by a gay guy" Sure, they may still try and get the guy in bed to 'make him straight', but I can't see them start yelling and being abusive about it...confused
Spike



Well, (and I'm sure I'll get tons of shit about this) that kinda goes along with some basic differences between men and women.
Maybe they're natural, maybe they're societal, hell, maybe it's something in the water. Generally though, men will be more confrontational, women will be more manipulative. If a stupid man is confronted by a homosexual rebuke, he'll bluster and blow and yell about how it sucks and isn't fair. If a stupid woman is confronted by a homosexual rebuke, she'll try to manipulate him into straightening up for her. Neither one is a sophisticated response (which would be to accept who they are), but there you go.
Now I'm not saying that all women are manipulative, just like I'm not saying that all men are aggressive and confrontational. I know plenty of women that default to confrontation, and plenty of men who default to manipulation, and I know a lot who don't do either, but in general that's the way that I see it working.

Now you can commence kicking the shit out of me for such an unpolitically correct opinion.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

SEP 12, 2003 08:14 PM

Oh, I'd agree with you helter, though I lean towards the "societal" cause.

I think women are trained to "prod" to get what we want, and men are trained to just take it anyway.

Helter

Helter

Chester, PA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 12, 2003 08:17 PM

handle said:

Live in the midwest for a couple years. Ive seen redneck girls exhibit just as many negative qualities as chunk head frat guys. Stupid irrational outbursts aren't exclusive to any particular gender.



See, maybe I'm alone in this, but if a girls response to being turned down by a homosexual is to try to get him in bed and turn him straight, I see that as being just as bad as a guy who yells about how "it's not right". Neither of them are being accepting of who the person is, both are trying to change the person (though I will admit that the woman is going about it in a more subtle way), and both are being just ignorant in general.
If someone's gay, they're gay. If they decdide to switch teams and start trying out the opposite hardware, they'll let you know (or they won't which would be a good hint that you don't have a chance no matter what). Trying to get them to do something that they say they don't want to do is just bad form.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

SEP 12, 2003 08:18 PM

Helter said:
Now you can commence kicking the shit out of me for such an unpolitically correct opinion.



haha.

i'll have to admit, it was satisfying to watch you verbally contort yourself through multiple flaming hoops of disclaimer just to make a point.

Helter

Helter

Chester, PA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 12, 2003 08:22 PM

Morgan said:
Oh, I'd agree with you helter, though I lean towards the "societal" cause.

I think women are trained to "prod" to get what we want, and men are trained to just take it anyway.



I tend to think that it's part that, but also part just natural. Women are naturally weaker, making aggression a less than optimal way to get things, and also naturally sought after by men, making them more *capable* of manipulation. It seems like that's partly just the way we were built.
When you combine a natural proclivity towards behavior, with a society that teaches that behavior also, well, the results aren't too hard to guess.

troglodyte

troglodyte

Victoria, BC
May 2003

SEP 12, 2003 08:31 PM

Rybo

Rybo

Portland, OR
May 2003

SEP 12, 2003 08:37 PM

There are a lot of ignorant and bull headed people out there. is that really surprising?

Kudra

Kudra

Portland, OR
April 2003

SEP 12, 2003 09:49 PM

"What the fuck kind of attitude is that to have towards someone?! This is supposed to be the 21st century, for pity's sake."

Don'tcha mean, "for FUCKS sake?"

2ifbyland

2ifbyland

Iraq
May 2003

SEP 12, 2003 10:10 PM

GhettoBlaster

GhettoBlaster

Cleveland, OH
September 2003

SEP 12, 2003 10:19 PM

Yeah Yeah Yeah, and there are a lot of women who use sex as levarage. There are also a lot that expect things from men that we don't want to give. I'm sure there will be protest to this statement, and if you do protest-good for you-you aren't the average woman, who expect to have their lives subsidised by each random man they date. At the very least one meal at a time, and often so much more. Do woman think men actually like to go without, so they can get the check? We don't. And yes before I get beat over the head, I know this isn't true for all women and yes I know some men are pigs. Just you women aren't always so great either. MEN STAND UP AND BE HEARD. The worst that will happen is you won't get an unfufilling hollow lay, is that so bad?

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

SEP 12, 2003 10:19 PM

I got rejected by a gay woman once. And to be honest, it was probably the best rejection ever. She was very nice about it and after it was all over, I wasn't upset because it really didn't have anything to do with me. It had nothing to do with my looks or my job or any of that. She said I was a nice guy but sorry, she was gay. Worked fine for me.

GhettoBlaster

GhettoBlaster

Cleveland, OH
September 2003

SEP 12, 2003 10:21 PM

Men, become financially independent, make money and stop debasing yourselves for sex. When you no longer scamper for what women have you will feel extremely liberated.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

SEP 12, 2003 10:31 PM

levezletoi said:
Yeah Yeah Yeah, and there are a lot of women who use sex as levarage. ...[blah blah blah]... MEN STAND UP AND BE HEARD. The worst that will happen is you won't get an unfufilling hollow lay, is that so bad?



None of which excuses the stone age reaction of the man described in the opening post.

GhettoBlaster

GhettoBlaster

Cleveland, OH
September 2003

SEP 12, 2003 10:33 PM

Grrrrrrrhhhhhhhh, whats with you people. I did not in anyway excuse that behavior. I even admonished it. Read the fricking posts.

clara

clara

MODERATOR

Baltimore, MD

SEP 12, 2003 10:46 PM

levezletoi said:
Grrrrrrrhhhhhhhh, whats with you people. I did not in anyway excuse that behavior. I even admonished it. Read the fricking posts.



I've read some of your posts in this thread and others. Most of the ones I've seen make it sound like you really despise women and see them as manipulative, evil bitches. I think your intent can get lost in your tone. Please understand that I'm not trying to speak for you or imply that I've understood your feelings, just that this is how your posts sound to me. It's distracting.

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