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Priapos

priapos

San Angelo, TX
October 2005

OCT 20, 2007 08:37 AM

I see overpopulation at the root of many global problems. For example, each person uses resources, most notably energy and water. Wars often result from resource shortages and correct the overpopulation, but what an unsound policy. Further, fewer people die in modern technology-driven wars. Only starvation tops war on my list of dreadful methods to reduce overall population.

Sex selection may bring on these consequences even faster than overpopulation.


"Son preference" is a deep-seated, widespread problem in many cultures. In many parts of the world, having a son is integral to one's future financial and social wellbeing. Recent articles have tried to shed light on the problem in India - putting much blame on the ultrasound machines women use to determine the sex of their unborn children in order to decide whether they should abort a female fetus.

In China, however, the problem takes on a frightfully larger scope when "son preference" meets the notorious One Child policy. When the government only allows one child, it puts immense pressure on Chinese parents to determine the sex of their child in the womb, and terminate the pregnancy if it is a girl.



Doctors in England (and perhaps other countries) cannot legally disclose the sex of a fetus, but people find a way around most laws, given sufficient motivation.


In many provinces, the sex ratio at birth is between 120 to 130 boys for every 100 girls; the natural number is about 104.
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Another serious threat is to regional stability and, by extension, international security. As Valerie Hudson and Andrea den Boer recently wrote in their prize-winning work on demography and security, "Bare Branches," surplus male populations in a region often result in violence - through banditry, rioting, or militarization. The 6 to 5 male-female ratio in China means there are a lot of men who will not be able to start families. If history is any guide, they will either find less savory things to occupy their time, or find women through equally unsavory means.



As mentioned above, other countries have the same problem. What to do? India offers a solution by offering free or reduced cost education to families with only girls.

The CSM editorial writer suggests only abandoning the one-child policy. I have so little faith left in the effectiveness of any program from any government that I'm inclined to agree. China's solution: more laws. Only the wealthy and powerful will have access to the information under this plan.

Women with more education tend to have fewer children, and for this and so many other reasons education must become the world's top priority. Any other ideas, anyone?

Priapos

priapos

San Angelo, TX
October 2005

OCT 20, 2007 08:43 AM

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

OCT 20, 2007 04:56 PM

Priapos said:
Doctors in England (and perhaps other countries) cannot legally disclose the sex of a fetus, but people find a way around most laws, given sufficient motivation.



Scotland, Ireland and Wales, for instance... wink

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

OCT 20, 2007 04:58 PM

And yes, sex selection is going to be an issue. Interesting article.

I dislike the Indian answer, because that only affects the ratio of births. But that's my pro-feminist reflexes.

China should not abandon the one-child policy, IMHO. Frankly, it should be policy everywhere.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

OCT 20, 2007 05:06 PM

SockPuppet said:
China should not abandon the one-child policy, IMHO. Frankly, it should be policy everywhere.



Let's not forget the Law of Unintended Consequences.

Not only has sex-selective abortion become rampant, but the doting and spoiling of everyone's single child will potentially have significant consequences. We're talking an entire generation of spoilt single children, the entire repository of the hopes, dreams and ambitions of their parents.

Hmmmm.

Priapos

priapos

San Angelo, TX
October 2005

OCT 20, 2007 05:28 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:

SockPuppet said:
China should not abandon the one-child policy, IMHO. Frankly, it should be policy everywhere.



Let's not forget the Law of Unintended Consequences.

Not only has sex-selective abortion become rampant, but the doting and spoiling of everyone's single child will potentially have significant consequences. We're talking an entire generation of spoilt single children, the entire repository of the hopes, dreams and ambitions of their parents.

Hmmmm.



The Law of Unintended Consequences requires regular re-evaluation of all government policies. Hail Eris!

However, the myth of the only child... is... just... a myth.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

OCT 20, 2007 06:20 PM

SockPuppet said:
And yes, sex selection is going to be an issue. Interesting article.

I dislike the Indian answer, because that only affects the ratio of births. But that's my pro-feminist reflexes.

China should not abandon the one-child policy, IMHO. Frankly, it should be policy everywhere.



How do you figure? Only the develpoing world has positive population growth, the developed world particularly Europe have massive negative population growth already without these policies.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

OCT 20, 2007 06:28 PM

Colinism said:

SockPuppet said:
And yes, sex selection is going to be an issue. Interesting article.

I dislike the Indian answer, because that only affects the ratio of births. But that's my pro-feminist reflexes.

China should not abandon the one-child policy, IMHO. Frankly, it should be policy everywhere.



How do you figure? Only the develpoing world has positive population growth, the developed world particularly Europe have massive negative population growth already without these policies.



Setting an example. It's like all these things, "do as I say, not as I do" just doesn't cut the mustard.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

OCT 20, 2007 06:37 PM

SockPuppet said:

Colinism said:

SockPuppet said:
And yes, sex selection is going to be an issue. Interesting article.

I dislike the Indian answer, because that only affects the ratio of births. But that's my pro-feminist reflexes.

China should not abandon the one-child policy, IMHO. Frankly, it should be policy everywhere.



How do you figure? Only the develpoing world has positive population growth, the developed world particularly Europe have massive negative population growth already without these policies.



Setting an example. It's like all these things, "do as I say, not as I do" just doesn't cut the mustard.



Ok but enforcing a policy that is sure to cut an already low birthrate lower makes absolutely 0 sense. Besides the population of the two most populous countries are headed in entirely different areas. China will stabilize and then lower slowly by the end of the century, while India's will continue to increase as they do not believe in birth control. The border of those two countries is where the next major war will most likely be fought over resources as they both modernize.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

OCT 20, 2007 06:45 PM

Oh my... whatever

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

OCT 20, 2007 07:08 PM

Colinism said:

SockPuppet said:

Colinism said:

SockPuppet said:
And yes, sex selection is going to be an issue. Interesting article.

I dislike the Indian answer, because that only affects the ratio of births. But that's my pro-feminist reflexes.

China should not abandon the one-child policy, IMHO. Frankly, it should be policy everywhere.



How do you figure? Only the develpoing world has positive population growth, the developed world particularly Europe have massive negative population growth already without these policies.



Setting an example. It's like all these things, "do as I say, not as I do" just doesn't cut the mustard.



Ok but enforcing a policy that is sure to cut an already low birthrate lower makes absolutely 0 sense.



You're assuming a zero-immigration policy. And you're assuming we can sustain our present population. Both those assumptions are highly suspect.

Besides the population of the two most populous countries are headed in entirely different areas. China will stabilize and then lower slowly by the end of the century, while India's will continue to increase as they do not believe in birth control. The border of those two countries is where the next major war will most likely be fought over resources as they both modernize.



And while the West doesn't enforce birth control, we'll have no leverage on India to do the same, will we. (Same argument applies to carbon dioxide emissions, BTW.)

As far as the next major war is concerned, I'm still looking at the Near and Middle East.