NEWS: Time To Take The Dems Behind The Barn And Shoot Them

POLITICS: Time To Take The Dems Behind The Barn And Shoot Them

It happens all the time in movies. Really Bad Man talks Sort Of Bad Guy into fucking over his own friends. Sort Of Bad Guy does it because Really Bad Man is convincing and a little scary. So, Sort Of Bad Guy delivers his friends to Really Bad Man. Then Really Bad Man kills them and turns the gun on Sort Of Bad Guy.

Sort Of Bad Guy
But…but I helped you. I…I got you what you wanted.

Really Bad Man
You think I’d trust a guy who fucks over his friends?

Then Really Bad Man shoots Sort Of Bad Guy in the face. In this case, the Democrats are Sort Of Bad Guy and shooting them in the face seems like an okay idea.

I do not recall seeing, in my lifetime, a party so relentlessly pathetic as the current Democratic Party. Yesterday, I wrote about the Republican’s record-breaking filibuster festival. That sort of bullshit is to be expected from the Republicans, who have no concern about destroying America to get what they want. And the Democrats could do nothing to stop it. Yet, the Democrats don’t seem to realize that they should not actually help Republicans further their agenda. Yesterday, the Senate voted to condemn a MoveOn.org ad that criticized General Patreaus. In doing so, they spit in the faces of many who voted them into office.

Let me see if I can explain this to the Democrats: The Republicans have been trying to demonize MoveOn, but America just thinks it’s the usual partisan, left-right bullshit and doesn’t pay attention. Then you guys in the Senate vote to condemn MoveOn, which legitimizes the Republicans accusations. This is what’s known as a retarded move because, YOU DON’T VOTE AGAINST YOUR OWN BASE. It’s just at tip, you fucking idiots.

Voting to condemn the ad is voting to support the Republican agenda. It helps to justify Republican claims that MoveOn is a lunatic fringe group, which is an incredible exaggeration. Republicans fear MoveOn, because the group can quickly gather funds and attack Republican candidates anywhere in the nation. The right hates MoveOn because it is effective, not because it is a fringe group. Thankfully, Democrats just took a dump on the hand that feeds them. Nice work.

Harry Reid is a fucking idiot for allowing this vote onto the Senate floor. Yesterday the GOP stopped three important bills that the Democrats had put forward. Today, Dems should have told the GOP and their petty bill to go fuck themselves. Reid should have stopped the bill, then introduced several bills condemning Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh for their repeated hate speech. Or how about finally condemning the Swift Boat organization for making far worse allegations against John Kerry than MoveOn ever did against Patraeus? If Reid can allow himself to be manipulated and bullied by the minority party, he should step down. Immediately. Or at the very least, he should replace his picture on his Senate website with a douchebag.

The vote completely betrays the principle of the 1st amendment. We don’t give the Senate authority, salary, security, privilege and power so they can vote on what American citizens should and should not be saying. The ad said that if the General was not honest it would be a betrayal of the troops. How the fuck is that worthy of the Senate’s time? It’s called freedom, maybe these idiots should try to get an understanding of what it means.

In the end, what did the Democrats achieve by voting for this resolution? They insulted the people who worked so hard to get them into office in 2006. The let the left know that they are not entitled to the same free speech as the right wing and that if the Republicans pick on the Democratic base, their Senators will help to stick the knife in their gut.

See, the Democrats would rather go along with the bullshit than actually put up a fight. Better to fuck over the people who put you in office than show a little courage. And that is not just this vote, but everything. They rolled over when they were the minority party and now they are rolling over when they are the majority party. What was needed today was for one Democrat to stand up and say:

But it won’t happen. Obama ran out the back door, like a coward. Hillary voted no.* All together, 25 Democrats voted to condemn a group that worked to get them elected. Could you envision the Republicans doing the same thing if the tables were turned? Yeah, me neither.

FearTheReaper just donated $100 to MoveOn. He's never given them money before, but it's the only way to appropriately respond to this idiocy.

*correction

To nit-pick, Hillary Clinton did vote no.

You could look at it this way: The Democrats can afford to spit in the faces of the MoveOn crowd. After all, who else is MoveOn going to support? The Green Party and split the left vote? Because that worked really well in the 2000 presidential race -- or is their collective memory that bad?

This is the Democrats saying, 'Yeah, you'll keep voting for us, because we're less worse than the alternative. Now give us your money."

This is a goddamned disgrace. I don't know if I can in good conscience continue voting for Democratic candidates - they have been such an incredible disappointment in the last 10 years.

You nailed it, FTR.

And yeah, DiFi sold her incumbent ass to the corporate lobbyists from RIAA and defense long ago. Bitch sold out. She's fully embraced the Beltway Blinders she's wearing. She needs a primary challenger when she goes up next. And Boxer and Pelosi need to smack some sense into her.

thankfully, both of nj's dems voted no

I agree with Noctua. For Obama, this would not have been a fight worth having, not strategically. In the larger arena, Hillary's already taken her stance on the debacle and therefore a no-vote made sense for her (and she *did* vote).

As for the rest of the dems, whether or not they censured MoveOn was probably a null point; they really shouldn't have, not because of MoveOn, but because Patreaus's report certainly was heavy-loaded with bullshit. Nonetheless, the dems have been eviscerated before by supporting groups who then later went on to support independents, thus losing a portion of their base by *doing the right thing*. They did this in 2000. Maybe they've become more sophisticated. Maybe not. We'll see.

~f~

As did Schumer. Which means at least we don't have to be embarrassed by our own state's representatives.

The bigger issue, however, is that senators in comfortable positions where they don't face much chance of being voted out next time around didn't take the opportunity to blast this for the partisan idiocy that it is.

When Republicans accuse Democrats of being spineless, it's hard to refute them in the face of bullshit like this.

Okay, this kind of proves there's no hope. I'm starting to feel comfortable with Flux's assertion in the "bloop" thread:

OK. I read otherwise. Thanks.

The organization recently asked members whether or not they should begin funding opponents of Democrats who are not voting to cut off funding for the war. Whether Republican, Democrat or third party. Based on their history, I would expect them to follow through with this.

Anyone else get the sinking feeling that the Dems will blow this election?

I think the condemnation was a good thing. Moveon fucking blew that one. General Petraeus was, in my opinion, at least partially a set up. You can say shit about Bush and get away with it, but talking shit about the military isn't looked upon kindly. Now, a person could very reasonably explain why Petraeus's report was not to be trusted without namecalling. You could say that it's wrong for the Bush administration to politicize General Petraeus like this. You could say that General Petraeus is a military man, and he knows what his superior officer wants from him. Any of these things are easy, and actually have entered the public discourse, but they are drowned out by General Betray-us. And now a lot of fence sitters are saying to themselves, "Well, look at the level of discourse on the Democratic side."

If I were to defend the ad, they'd have a point. The ad is fucking retarded. Betray-us. Congratulations on making a rhyme. Yes, there are valid points in the full text, about the cooked statistics and so on. But they made it so none of that matters; people aren't looking past the patently idiotic first line. I'm not saying they shouldn't, but whether or not they should look past the appearance is a moot point; people don't, and as long as they don't, that ad hurts the Democrats.

It's not really that they can "afford to spit in the faces of the MoveOn[.org] crowd" as much as it is that the Dems are surrendering to this criticism from the same group of Republicans who are responsible (or at least stood slient in the face of) for the dirtiest political marketing tactics ever seen: marketing campaigns financed by Republicans, disguised as a grassroots movements (a.k.a. astroturf). Just a few off the top of my head:

MoveAmericaForward.org - Financed by the White House
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth - Or as it should have been name: Republican Veterans for Bush
Freedon's Watch - Another Bush financed group run by former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer (the original Iraq war propagandist)

My anger here, at least, isn't about loyalty to partisan groups. It's about outright hypocrisy.

Once again, I think Keith Olbermann sums up the situation surrounding this quite well in this opinion piece:

first of all "moveon" is backed by one of the richest guys in the world so I really don't think they needed your money. 2nd like you they have zero journalistic integrity they are a propaganda machine for the left. they niether care or even try to get at the truth .they only care about their points of view ,and will back it up with any kind of mythology they can come up with even manufacturing it,if they have to.

I haven't seen or read the "article" from "moveon" so I wont judge it but evidently it was wrong enough to make congress condemn it. look for the truth, even if you wish it were true but it's not then call them on it.

I stopped reading your tripe here. This is not true, as much as you want it to be. Soros gave them a donation in their first year of existance and has not given money since.

Is it weird to be upset about a "propaganda machine" when you only get your news from other "propaganda machines?" You would have never made this statement if you read legitimate news sources. How is your massive hypocrisy going?

Your opinion could easily come out of the world's biggest pussy. I did not realize military members, whose job is to defend out country, could not take the brutal assualt of words. My God! We must save the soldier from words!

But you do make a good point, the General is such an incredible fucking pussy that he needs to be defended from words by Congress. Thankfully they are there, to take up this fight for him, because he is now in a closet, curled up in the fetal position crying like the bitch that he is. From words.

We should thank the likes of Rush, and Sean and Bill O, who would never say such things, for bringing this incredible outrage to our attention. Words are dangerous, that is why we have Congress.

But it's all sounds so innocent based on its statement of purpose:

Who could vote against that?

Unfortunately, neither of my Senators could. That's to be expected from Norm Coleman, a Republican and the person most likely person on the face of the earth to do something politically expedient for his own benefit.

Amy Klobuchar is a Democrat, though. So far I'm not impressed with her.Though this is her first term in office, and she's no doubt scared, confused, and easily intimidated.

don't think you know me at all. I criticize both sides when I see they're lies . yes soros did donate way back when but who is donating now? or do you even care to look at who's pulling their strings? no I think you'ld rather be blissfull and blind

You are, quite simply, completly full of shit.

Provide factual information, credible sources, etc..

Otherwise your opinion will continue it's slide into irrelevance.

Wow. I really can't understand what goes on in people's heads anymore. This is not only a violation of freedom of speech, which is purposely meant to protect contrary political opinion, but a downright stupid fucking move. The majority of this country is no longer in support of Bush's bullshit and to condemn something denouncing that very thing is a downright foolish political move. I wish we had some stronger people in the government on all sides to stand up and stop this kind of bullshit. I also wish the checks and balances of this country actually worked so that the Supreme Court would shit all over this for being the ridiculously unconstitutional abuse of power that it is. It's this kind of bullshit that really makes me sad I live in this fascist state trying to pretend it's a democracy.

In related news, Keith Olbermann is my new hero.

This was a slam dunk for the republicans, and one that the democrats just let happen while they sat on the bench, stoked to be in the game but perfectly willing to lose. I'm assuming, without researching it, that a republican introduced the bill. And it was a perfect piece of strategic legislation:

In order to vote against that, you'd have to rally the whole party together, vote "no," then go to the media and say, "This bill was bullshit. We don't hate the military, we hate ridiculous bullshit like this. Fuck off."

But, no. The democrats are too worried about keeping their seats and keeping their money, so instead of risking a few votes in order to do the right thing, they're rolling over whenever the republicans threaten them with stuff like this.

I was so excited when the majority in congress shifted. Now I'm just jaded again.

No one has violated the First Amendment. Moveon.org has neither been prevented from running the ad nor punished for doing so. The only thing that's different is that Congress now officially thinks that ad is mean.