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FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

SEP 17, 2007 01:43 AM



The greatest thing about American’s “gun enthusiasts” is that every time the gun industry invents a new high-powered gun, they make sure no one can prevent it from entering the civilian market. And why shouldn’t they? Second amendment, bitch! Our Founding Fathers were all about automatic weapons.

Gun manufacturers keep putting more high powered guns on the market because there is a demand for more powerful guns. If they didn’t, they would start to lose money. It’s like Apple with the iPod! It’s about profits! Unfortunately, the drive for profits leads to new high powered guns on the streets, which causes police to have to match the new guns. It’s an arms race on the streets – and the gun manufacturers make money from both sides. How awesome is that? Unfortunately, there is a downside.



I think that is real.

Miami police chief John Timoney recently decided to allow his officers to carry assault weapons. There have been too many shootouts with criminals who have higher-powered weapons than the cops.


Chief John Timoney signed the measure last week even before Miami-Dade police Sgt. Jose Somohano died in a shootout with 25-year-old Shawn LaBeet, which left three other officers were injured.

After a massive one-day manhunt, LaBeet was shot to death in Pembroke Pines after being confronted by police.

In the last year, 18 people have died as the result of assault weapons last year.


Good times, guntards!

The sad thing is that Timoney is actually an advocate of tighter gun laws. He says the expiration of the federal ban on assault weapons four years ago is responsible for the rise of firepower on the streets of Miami.


This is really a failure of leadership at the national level. We are absolutely going in the wrong direction here. The whole thing is a friggin' disgrace.


But what would you know? You’re not a guy in his house in Georgia with a room full of glistening guns, you’re just a cop who gets to watch his officers die in shootouts with well-armed criminals. Don’t you know that if everyone were armed with assault weapons, less people would get shot?

So, that’s where we stand. Cops around the nation are getting killed because the gun lobby manufactures guns that are more and more powerful. Then the cops have to buy more powerful guns. And the gun companies get rich! Yay!

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

SEP 19, 2007 09:30 AM

As long as I can throw at least 600 rounds per minute at 2200 feet per second down range I can be a much more effective and humane when I go out hunting squirrel for Grandmas famous stew.

It's my RIGHT damnit !

Pip

Pip

Framingham, MA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 19, 2007 09:30 AM

Guns have only two purposes. Death and pain. They have no practicle value as a tool in modern society. They are only good for killing and wounding people. I am on a soapbox because I recently lossed a loved one (and nearly lost 2 others) to a gun. I hated guns before, but now I really do dislike those that perpetuate a culture of death. Those that apologize for the gun industry and think that guns are not a problem, I have have a problem with. All it takes is one person and one gun to cause many deaths. They serve no purpose other than to end and inflict pain upon life. As vengeful as I want to be I hope no one that owns a gun has their gun used. The results will change your life.

Pip finds it odd that most gun owners in America are Christians when there is no way Jesus would ever support something whose sole purposes are Death and Pain.

quietlythere

quietlythere

USA
June 2004

SEP 19, 2007 09:35 AM

Actually if you do reasearch you will find that the: FBI, BATFE, and the DOJ all agree that gun crime is at the lowest it has been in 20+ years even after the sunset of the '94 Crime Bill which expired in September 2004.

The '94 Crime Bill didn't ban "assault weapons" it simply limited the amount of rounds (bullets) that could be carried in a magzine/s (clip/s), and limited sales of firearms (particulary long arms) with rectractable stocks or furniture with so called "assault weapon" looks.

Guns in general are not becoming more power as this article suggests. The same calibers that have been around for the last 50+ years are still the same one available today.

meatpieboy

meatpieboy

Korea, D.P.R.
June 2004

SEP 19, 2007 09:37 AM

FEWER people, not LESS.

FTR, I'm going to give you grace on that and YELL AT THE NEWSWIRE EDITORS.

Also, good article. That video was scary.

Pip

Pip

Framingham, MA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 19, 2007 09:39 AM

quietlythere said:
Actually if you do reasearch you will find that the: FBI, BATFE, and the DOJ all agree that gun crime is at the lowest it has been in 20+ years even after the sunset of the '94 Crime Bill which expired in September 2004.

The '94 Crime Bill didn't ban "assault weapons" it simply limited the amount of rounds (bullets) that could be carried in a magzine/s (clip/s), and limited sales of firearms (particulary long arms) with rectractable stocks or furniture with so called "assault weapon" looks.

Guns in general are not becoming more power as this article suggests. The same calibers that have been around for the last 50+ years are still the same one available today.



So there is no gun problem on our city streets?

Heracleitus

Heracleitus

Arlington, VA
May 2005

SEP 19, 2007 09:41 AM

Ron Paul

acerbus

acerbus

Boston, MA
December 2003

SEP 19, 2007 09:45 AM

That video was a clip from the movie Heat, with Robert De Niro and Al Pacino, just so things are clear.

johnnybourbon

johnnybourbon

Charlotte, NC
October 2004

SEP 19, 2007 09:51 AM

Pip said:

quietlythere said:
Actually if you do reasearch you will find that the: FBI, BATFE, and the DOJ all agree that gun crime is at the lowest it has been in 20+ years even after the sunset of the '94 Crime Bill which expired in September 2004.

The '94 Crime Bill didn't ban "assault weapons" it simply limited the amount of rounds (bullets) that could be carried in a magzine/s (clip/s), and limited sales of firearms (particulary long arms) with rectractable stocks or furniture with so called "assault weapon" looks.

Guns in general are not becoming more power as this article suggests. The same calibers that have been around for the last 50+ years are still the same one available today.



So there is no gun problem on our city streets?



Its really less of a gun problem and more of desperation/income/gang/lackofbrightfuture/lackofpropereducation problem ... the gun problem if thats what you prefer to call it pertains more to illegal handguns not $1000+ american made civilian assualt rifles

Archaneus

Archaneus

Kalamazoo, MI
October 2006

SEP 19, 2007 09:51 AM

First I'd like to say, I'm not a guy in Georgia with a room full of glistening guns. However, all evidence in the outside world points to the very idea that you are passively dismissing. All the developed world countries that have lax gun control systems are the ones with the lowest gun crimes in the developed world. This is a fact. If you don't believe me, look at the statistics for yourself. Now, that being said, perhaps there is something about the mentality of the people in this country, the average person thinking that if it is possible to do something, then there is no reason not to, is part of the reason why that won't work here. I'm not sure. I do however know one thing for certain, the way this country is going, I am really glad there are a bunch of citizens with stores of high powered weapons so if the government gets really out of control and starts cracking down on our rights even more, there are some people for them to be afraid to piss off.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

SEP 19, 2007 09:54 AM

quietlythere said:

Guns in general are not becoming more power as this article suggests. The same calibers that have been around for the last 50+ years are still the same one available today.



Caliber not withstanding, I totally equate being able to shoot more volume at a faster rate as being more powerful.

Pip

Pip

Framingham, MA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 19, 2007 10:02 AM

Archaneus said:
I do however know one thing for certain, the way this country is going, I am really glad there are a bunch of citizens with stores of high powered weapons so if the government gets really out of control and starts cracking down on our rights even more, there are some people for them to be afraid to piss off.



You don't pay attention much,do you. People who stock up the most guns get targeted first. The government is not afraid of people with guns. The government knows it can out gun any localized group of citizens that want to bunker down and have a shootout. And that's without using the military. Having a gun will not protect you from tyranny in the 21st century.

See the real gun problem is that guns make cowards feel tough and strong. They are "tools" of intimidation. Then because you have a gun, I need a gun, and the next time you flash yours, I flash mine. Then we either agree to disagree, shoot each other now, or shot each other later. No one wins. Because 2 cowards with guns will lead to at least one death. Guns have no value to someone that does not seek to kill another human. There is no self-defense with guns. If someone else has a gun and starts shooting, you will probably get hit with a bullet before you even get your gun out. And if you do manage to dodge a bullet, then who's to say your bulet will hit the criminal and not someone innocent?

johnnybourbon

johnnybourbon

Charlotte, NC
October 2004

SEP 19, 2007 10:03 AM

chainlink said:

quietlythere said:

Guns in general are not becoming more power as this article suggests. The same calibers that have been around for the last 50+ years are still the same one available today.



Caliber not withstanding, I totally equate being able to shoot more volume at a faster rate as being more powerful.



Semi-auto is all thats availible to citizens (unless you are rich and have a gun happy sheriff who's willing to approve a full auto license which is really really rare) semi auto today is no faster than semi auto ever was and high volume magazines have been availible since the 40's if not before ... just thought I'd put that out there for accuracys sake

meatpieboy

meatpieboy

Korea, D.P.R.
June 2004

SEP 19, 2007 10:07 AM

acerbus said:
That video was a clip from the movie Heat, with Robert De Niro and Al Pacino, just so things are clear.



Yup.

wenis

wenis

San Francisco, CA
July 2006

SEP 19, 2007 10:08 AM

damn i love that movie.
my dad has always said he's glad to be retiring soon.
the fact that criminals have better access to the high powered
weapons than cops do just scares the crap out of him.
and this man has run into a burning house to save a an old woman..... shocked

DownNeck

DownNeck

Jersey City, NJ
March 2006

SEP 19, 2007 10:09 AM

Pip said:

quietlythere said:
Actually if you do reasearch you will find that the: FBI, BATFE, and the DOJ all agree that gun crime is at the lowest it has been in 20+ years even after the sunset of the '94 Crime Bill which expired in September 2004.

The '94 Crime Bill didn't ban "assault weapons" it simply limited the amount of rounds (bullets) that could be carried in a magzine/s (clip/s), and limited sales of firearms (particulary long arms) with rectractable stocks or furniture with so called "assault weapon" looks.

Guns in general are not becoming more power as this article suggests. The same calibers that have been around for the last 50+ years are still the same one available today.



So there is no gun problem on our city streets?



no. in other news, trees aren't made of wood. also, hyperbole isn't fucking retarded.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

SEP 19, 2007 10:10 AM

johnnybourbon said:
Its really less of a gun problem and more of desperation/income/gang/lackofbrightfuture/lackofpropereducation problem ... the gun problem if thats what you prefer to call it pertains more to illegal handguns not $1000+ american made civilian assualt rifles



I'm callin BS on that.
I can buy a fine "American made civilian assault rifle" whatever that is, for less than $300 easily from a legitimate legal dealer or could get a crack head to break into your house and steal your $1000+ rifle for $50.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

SEP 19, 2007 10:17 AM

chainlink said:

quietlythere said:

Guns in general are not becoming more power as this article suggests. The same calibers that have been around for the last 50+ years are still the same one available today.



Caliber not withstanding, I totally equate being able to shoot more volume at a faster rate as being more powerful.



Fully automatic weapons are for allintents and purposes unavailable to the general public unless you can shell out 15,000 dollars and jump through a ton of legal red tape. I think the estimate is about 500,000 tho that seems high, in civilian hands and most of those are collectors. As for faster rate of fire how fast can you pull the trigger, thats about the best you can do legally. Illegally however yeah you could own a fully automatic weapon but lets face it if you were willing to break the law to get one of those I don't think you really care about gun laws anyhow.

johnnybourbon

johnnybourbon

Charlotte, NC
October 2004

SEP 19, 2007 10:18 AM

chainlink said:

johnnybourbon said:
Its really less of a gun problem and more of desperation/income/gang/lackofbrightfuture/lackofpropereducation problem ... the gun problem if thats what you prefer to call it pertains more to illegal handguns not $1000+ american made civilian assualt rifles



I'm callin BS on that.
I can buy a fine "American made civilian assault rifle" whatever that is, for less than $300 easily from a legitimate legal dealer or could get a crack head to break into your house and steal your $1000+ rifle for $50.



Name one .... I mean shit a used russian made assualt rifle is hard to find at that price

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

SEP 19, 2007 10:20 AM

johnnybourbon said:

chainlink said:

quietlythere said:

Guns in general are not becoming more power as this article suggests. The same calibers that have been around for the last 50+ years are still the same one available today.



Caliber not withstanding, I totally equate being able to shoot more volume at a faster rate as being more powerful.




Semi-auto is all thats availible to citizens (unless you are rich and have a gun happy sheriff who's willing to approve a full auto license which is really really rare) semi auto today is no faster than semi auto ever was and high volume magazines have been availible since the 40's if not before ... just thought I'd put that out there for accuracys sake



Yeah the fucking market was flooded with semi auto , high caliber, high volume magazines even as far back as the 40's. They were widely available to everyone.
I remember that. My granddad used to take me hunting with his AK all the time . . .

whatever

AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

SEP 19, 2007 10:21 AM

It's nice to see a story about the Miami-Dade police department that doesn't make me sick. I mean, the article still made me sick, but at least it wasn't the Miami-Dade police department's fault.

I've heard this argument from pro-gun folks that the assault weapon ban wasn't much of a ban anyway, you could easily get around it. And yeah, it was a lame cop-out of a ban in the first place, but it doesn't change the fact that less assault weapons were on the street the more restrictions there were on them.

meatpieboy said:
FTR, I'm going to give you grace on that and YELL AT THE NEWSWIRE EDITORS.


As far as I know there are no Newswire editors. Self-publishing has been an issue with catching typos and errors since the dawn of the Newswire. I don't blame FTR or the other writers at all, even on one or two passes you won't catch everything yourself, but if they really do want to go more formal than blog style there should be such a thing as a Newswire editor.

DhD_No_Pants

DhD_No_Pants

Katy, TX
May 2006

SEP 19, 2007 10:25 AM

Colinism said:

chainlink said:

quietlythere said:

Guns in general are not becoming more power as this article suggests. The same calibers that have been around for the last 50+ years are still the same one available today.



Caliber not withstanding, I totally equate being able to shoot more volume at a faster rate as being more powerful.



Fully automatic weapons are for allintents and purposes unavailable to the general public unless you can shell out 15,000 dollars and jump through a ton of legal red tape. I think the estimate is about 500,000 tho that seems high, in civilian hands and most of those are collectors. As for faster rate of fire how fast can you pull the trigger, thats about the best you can do legally. Illegally however yeah you could own a fully automatic weapon but lets face it if you were willing to break the law to get one of those I don't think you really care about gun laws anyhow.



Um, can't you modify semi autos (which can be picked up cheap as fuck) into fully automatics?

johnnybourbon

johnnybourbon

Charlotte, NC
October 2004

SEP 19, 2007 10:27 AM

chainlink said:

johnnybourbon said:

chainlink said:

quietlythere said:

Guns in general are not becoming more power as this article suggests. The same calibers that have been around for the last 50+ years are still the same one available today.



Caliber not withstanding, I totally equate being able to shoot more volume at a faster rate as being more powerful.




Semi-auto is all thats availible to citizens (unless you are rich and have a gun happy sheriff who's willing to approve a full auto license which is really really rare) semi auto today is no faster than semi auto ever was and high volume magazines have been availible since the 40's if not before ... just thought I'd put that out there for accuracys sake



Yeah the fucking market was flooded with semi auto , high caliber, high volume magazines even as far back as the 40's. They were widely available to everyone.
I remember that. My granddad used to take me hunting with his AK all the time . . .

whatever



seriously do some fact checking, the 40s with gangsters, gun runners and post ww2 surplus is the single main contributer to fully auto guns being illegal in the us.

Uglynproud

Uglynproud

New Orleans, LA
March 2006

SEP 19, 2007 10:31 AM



Um, can't you modify semi autos (which can be picked up cheap as fuck) into fully automatics?


No.

Uglynproud

Uglynproud

New Orleans, LA
March 2006

SEP 19, 2007 10:32 AM



seriously do some fact checking, the 40s with gangsters, gun runners and post ww2 surplus is the single main contributer to fully auto guns being illegal in the us.
Fully auto guns were made illegal in 1932.

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