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_DictionaryGirl_

_DictionaryGirl_

NEWSWIRE

San Diego, CA

SEP 01, 2007 02:09 AM





As a resident of San Diego for the past 10 years, I am proud to bring to the newswire the distinguished lineage of journalistic integrity and drinking problems that this classy city has to offer. Still, when it comes down to it, it's not exactly an action-packed kind of place, so it's a warm and tingly feeling I get when I come across something that would make Ron Burgundy proud. Thusly, continuing with this week's strange and surprising things we've dug out of the ground series, I give you this: a piece of mammoth found beneath the St. Vincent de Paul.



Workers excavating the site of the old St. Vincent de Paul thrift store downtown just made a stunning discovery - an 8-foot-long fossil thought to be the tusk of a Columbian mammoth.





Sweet! Sitting here with the electric fan at full tilt, contemplating dumping water over my head in an attempt to turn my hair into a makeshift swamp cooler, it struck me as kind of wild to imagine that, hundreds of thousands of years ago, arctic elephants were roaming the icy tundra wasteland around the gaslamp quarter. Then I remembered that Columbian mammoths are not the wooly variety, but more just the insanely large with creepily long tusks variety, making the point a moot one. Still. Kind of odd. It's apparently been tricky for archaeologists to definitively prove the former existence of elephant grandfathers here as well, which makes this find especially important.



Columbian mammoths were known to inhabit the county between 100,000 and 500,000 years ago, and fossils of skulls, jawbones, molars and tusks - though none as big as this one - have been found in the San Luis Rey River Valley in Oceanside.



But 27 years of excavations in downtown San Diego have revealed primarily fossils of marine life, [Thomas Deméré, curator of paleontology at the San Diego Natural History Museum] said.



"All of a sudden we have this spectacular, startling discovery...It's the most exciting paleontological find ever made in downtown San Diego. We now can clearly say that mammoths lived in this area."





Hell yes. Take that, Oceanside! Mammoths did not care to waste their time all way the hell up north next to Fallbrook and nothing but rocks and avocado trees -- mammoths were kickin' it downtown, partying like champs 'til the end of the ice age.



At least, that's how I like to imagine it.



Okay, so far this week the earth has eschewed mammoth bones downtown and mind-bogglingly old gemstones down under, both unexpected and both challenging the status quo of what was understood in the natural world; so what's next? Saber-toothed tigers? Weird proto-camels? Another appearance from a best-ever coelacanth? I'm up for anything. Perhaps it's not as exciting and breaking a news story as Panda Watch, but it's science, and that's good enough for me.





Good evening. I'm _DictionaryGirl_, and here's what's happening in your world tonight.



Seej

Seej

I'm lost
August 2007

SEP 01, 2007 04:06 AM

Saraphine

Saraphine

SUICIDEGIRL

Pennsylvania, USA

SEP 01, 2007 06:29 AM

Wow I never knew elephants starved to death because they had no more teeth! That's seems lame. Interesting article!

OhSoOrdinary

OhSoOrdinary

New York, NY
July 2006

SEP 01, 2007 07:27 AM

I'm hoping for the coelacanth. That was fucking cool.

FormerlySid

FormerlySid

Providence, RI
June 2007

SEP 01, 2007 09:08 AM

You forget, those are not real mammoth bones. They were put there by Jeebus to test us. They are saying they are 500,000 years old. That makes no sense!

_DictionaryGirl_

_DictionaryGirl_

NEWSWIRE

San Diego, CA

SEP 01, 2007 09:27 AM

Saraphine said:
Wow I never knew elephants starved to death because they had no more teeth! That's seems lame. Interesting article!



I know, right? Talk about bad evolution.

But then again, I guess a lot of people would suffer the same fate if we hadn't invented dentures. Or blenders. shocked

Gringo

Gringo

Liberty Lake, WA
May 2006

SEP 01, 2007 09:38 AM

The mammoths probably walked to San Diego from the La Brea tar pits.

pirateonabike

pirateonabike

Pittsburgh, PA
July 2006

SEP 01, 2007 09:43 AM

pretty cool, but megatherium is still my favourite.

OpticNerve

OpticNerve

Waltham, MA
November 2003

SEP 01, 2007 09:44 AM



Columbian Elephants. Mumakill. Same diff.

pikahyper

pikahyper

Spring Valley, CA
November 2006

SEP 01, 2007 10:37 AM

shocked you rock _DictionaryGirl_ biggrin

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

SEP 01, 2007 10:53 AM

_DictionaryGirl_ said:

Saraphine said:
Wow I never knew elephants starved to death because they had no more teeth! That's seems lame. Interesting article!



I know, right? Talk about bad evolution.

But then again, I guess a lot of people would suffer the same fate if we hadn't invented dentures. Or blenders. shocked



Self culling?

Dentures and blenders part of the ultimate undoing of man?

magpieboy

magpieboy

Seattle, WA
June 2004

SEP 01, 2007 10:55 AM

_DictionaryGirl_ said:

I know, right? Talk about bad evolution.



I know you're kidding but this makes me cry.

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

SEP 01, 2007 11:16 AM

wildswan said:

_DictionaryGirl_ said:

Saraphine said:
Wow I never knew elephants starved to death because they had no more teeth! That's seems lame. Interesting article!


I know, right? Talk about bad evolution.

But then again, I guess a lot of people would suffer the same fate if we hadn't invented dentures. Or blenders. shocked


Self culling?

Dentures and blenders part of the ultimate undoing of man?


My understanding is that dental abcesses were the leading cause of death for prehistoric humans.

magpieboy

magpieboy

Seattle, WA
June 2004

SEP 01, 2007 11:20 AM

Zarth said:

wildswan said:

_DictionaryGirl_ said:

Saraphine said:
Wow I never knew elephants starved to death because they had no more teeth! That's seems lame. Interesting article!


I know, right? Talk about bad evolution.

But then again, I guess a lot of people would suffer the same fate if we hadn't invented dentures. Or blenders. shocked


Self culling?

Dentures and blenders part of the ultimate undoing of man?


My understanding is that dental abcesses were the leading cause of death for prehistoric humans.


Do you recall if this is in hunter-gatherers or in primitive agricultural societies as well? Seriously.

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

SEP 01, 2007 11:28 AM

meatpieboy said:
Do you recall if this is in hunter-gatherers or in primitive agricultural societies as well? Seriously.


As far as I know it's both, but I'm not a terribly reliable source, here, as I don't remember where I first heard it.

I do know that overall public health and lifespan initially declined in agricultural societies, though.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

SEP 01, 2007 11:38 AM

meatpieboy said:

Zarth said:

wildswan said:

_DictionaryGirl_ said:

Saraphine said:
Wow I never knew elephants starved to death because they had no more teeth! That's seems lame. Interesting article!


I know, right? Talk about bad evolution.

But then again, I guess a lot of people would suffer the same fate if we hadn't invented dentures. Or blenders. shocked


Self culling?

Dentures and blenders part of the ultimate undoing of man?


My understanding is that dental abcesses were the leading cause of death for prehistoric humans.


Do you recall if this is in hunter-gatherers or in primitive agricultural societies as well? Seriously.



I thought the issue was still a hotly debated one.

My understanding is that before the advent of cooking, teeth wear easier to clean (because food fibers weren't broken down), and generally healthier. But, people usually died before teeth could show wear-- making a reasonable comparison to modern dental issues difficult.



catdad

catdad

Portland, OR
August 2002

SEP 01, 2007 12:51 PM

I'm partial to the giant spider webs in Texas. In my reality, those spiders are attempting to fight global warming by covering the dark foliage with something light and reflective, so that less heat will be absorbed. Spiders are cool like that. Here's a big pic of the webs.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

SEP 01, 2007 06:59 PM

Hey, whoa there D.G. You're hitting a little close to home dumping on North County. I guess you're right though, nothing but rocks and the yummy, savory fruit of Haas in Fallbrook. Go a little farther north from the Mecca of avocados though and you'll find my humble abode, Temecula (or as I like to call it, Traffuckula). Yes, I know it fares little better then Fallbrook when compared with your cosmopolitan burgh, but we do have grapes and gambling... Oh and mammoth too, lots and lots of mammoth.

While Diamond (Domenigoni) Valley Lake was being formed and excavation for of the dam was taking place, they unearthed tons of fossilized mammal bones from the Pleistocene era. So many in fact, that it was christened the "Valley Of The Mastadons". But paleontologists also found many other extinct species including Saber-tooth Tigers, the North American Lion, Dire Wolves, Giant Sloths, Bison, and the Flat-Headed Peccary (Ancient Pig), various species of horses and even the North American camel. Oh yeah, camels baby. Take that San Diego! tongue

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Columbian Mammoth


American Mammoth


Jefferson's Ground Sloth


Dire Wolf


Sabertooth Cat (Smilodon! biggrin)


American Camel

Heraclitus

Heraclitus

Denver, CO
December 2006

SEP 02, 2007 09:49 AM

wildswan said:

meatpieboy said:

Zarth said:

wildswan said:

_DictionaryGirl_ said:

Saraphine said:
Wow I never knew elephants starved to death because they had no more teeth! That's seems lame. Interesting article!


I know, right? Talk about bad evolution.

But then again, I guess a lot of people would suffer the same fate if we hadn't invented dentures. Or blenders. shocked


Self culling?

Dentures and blenders part of the ultimate undoing of man?


My understanding is that dental abcesses were the leading cause of death for prehistoric humans.


Do you recall if this is in hunter-gatherers or in primitive agricultural societies as well? Seriously.



I thought the issue was still a hotly debated one.

My understanding is that before the advent of cooking, teeth wear easier to clean (because food fibers weren't broken down), and generally healthier. But, people usually died before teeth could show wear-- making a reasonable comparison to modern dental issues difficult.




I seem to remember hearing something similar in DIamond's Guns Germs and Steel. Based on the premise of that book, I'd say farmers died of dental abscess more often. But dentistry (at least, drilling teeth,) goes back 9000 years to the Indus.

In short, that was a whole lot of maybe, and I really have no fucking idea. But it's a start.

MtFoxRider

MtFoxRider

Santa Rosa, CA
August 2007

SEP 02, 2007 12:04 PM

Man if I had known this yesterday I sure would of made sure we made a trip downtown on my family day trip to San Diego! wow "you stay classy San Diego!"

Femi

Femi

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

SEP 02, 2007 02:18 PM

they found some other type of fossils about 3 months ago downtown while they were digging out a lot to make way for probaby more condos... i don't think it was marine life