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FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

AUG 24, 2007 12:45 AM

Mark Foley is a good man, the kind you protect from evil law enforcement officers. He resigned from Congress last year because he was kinda, sorta sending sexual messages to male, teenage pages. Republicans protected Foley for years, even though they knew what he was doing. The scandal was just one of many reasons that Republicans were clobbered in last years elections.

But now the Democrats are the big honchos in charge, which means things are really fucking ethical up on the hill. They are totally turning Congress around and cleaning it up.


Florida’s top police agency said Wednesday its investigation into former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley’s lurid Internet communications with teenage boys has been hindered because neither Foley nor the House will let investigators examine his congressional computers.


Isn’t that great? I’m not really sure how many ways or times that I have to ask, “What the fuck is wrong with the Democrats?” This is so simple it is amazing. Dude was sending sexual messages to teenage boys. Dude then retired because he was sending sexual messages to teenage boys. A large majority of Americans do not think it is cool for a Congressman to send sexual messages to teenage boys. They want dude investigated and put in jail if he committed a crime. The only way for Democrats to lose in this situation is to hamper the investigation not come up with a fucking solution.

Florida investigators are hoping they can wrap up the investigation next week.


We have requested to review federally owned computers that Mr. Foley used during his time as a representative, but the U.S. House of Representatives ... cited case law restrictions that prohibited them from releasing those computers.


The House is saying they cannot release the computers because they are considered “work papers.” Because of that classification, only Foley can release the computers. Thank God no one in Congress has the ability to see a problem with that scenario. Feel free to commit all the crimes you want, Congressman, and keep the info on your computer. If you do that, our hands are tied.

So, how did the House come to this conclusion? It stems from the case of Democratic Congressman William Jefferson, who is so corrupt that he was keeping ninety thousand dollars in his freezer at home. After finding the money, the Justice Department raided his Congressional office and went through all his records. A couple of weeks ago, a federal appeals court ruled that the Justice Department violated the Constitution because…


The FBI viewed every record in the office, without allowing Jefferson to argue that some involved legislative business.


Not sure if anyone in the House has noticed that FOLEY RETIRED LAST YEAR. What the fuck? Isn’t there one person in the entire House of Representatives who would be qualified to remove all the files that are “work related” and allow investigators to see the ones that are “teen boy seducing related.” There is a big difference between allowing investigators to search everything in the office and allowing them into specific areas or files.

Foley could have easily committed a crime based on the information we know.


Under Florida law, the age of consent is 18. A crime may have been committed if Foley is found to have seduced or attempted to seduce a minor using lewd or explicit language.


At this point Foley could have dead boy in a file drawer and no one would know. Nice work, Democrats. Thanks for cleaning up Congress.

OneWithAll

OneWithAll

Charlton City, MA
October 2005

AUG 24, 2007 09:16 AM

typical

TaoAndCoffee

TaoAndCoffee

Stoney Creek, ON
June 2007

AUG 24, 2007 09:24 AM

Well I guess the Dems want to tread lightly on this, just in case there are any kidfuckers among them, as well.

alpha22

alpha22

Scottsdale, AZ
May 2005
BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

AUG 24, 2007 09:33 AM



I love how you forgot the other guy. Do you know anything about the situation you're hamfistedly trying to cite beyond that a Democrat was involved?

graphicsman77

graphicsman77

Pasadena, MD
June 2007

AUG 24, 2007 09:59 AM

BlastProcessing said:



I love how you forgot the other guy. Do you know anything about the situation you're hamfistedly trying to cite beyond that a Democrat was involved?



Definately should have mentioned the entirety of the 83 page scandal. But the point remains that the dems were in charge then, and they are in charge now...to imply that republicans alone are indicted by this kind of behavior is partisan.

It is, in fact, a failure of the whole Congress to act responsibly on this issue.....and it shows that, party not-withstanding, politicians protect other politicians at all costs.

graphicsman77

graphicsman77

Pasadena, MD
June 2007

AUG 24, 2007 10:09 AM

At this point Foley could have dead boy in a file drawer and no one would know. Nice work, Democrats. Thanks for cleaning up Congress.



Now...surely if the House is not asking for the resignation of William J. Jefferson, than we cannot expect them to be serious about cleaning up Congress. Or that Representative that assaulted the Capitol police. Or the Kennedy relative that crashed his car into a barricade in a drunken (or prescription meds-induced stupor). The last one was escorted to his home. You or I would be arrested and have our licenses suspended.

William J. Jefferson

For the record, the Republicans have had a policy in place since Gingrich was in power, that any republican accused of criminal or suspicious conduct must resign their posts. Does that make them better? no. But I get really sick and tired of people trying to paint the Republicans with the "evil, corrupt politician" paintbrush....and giving the Dems a slide all the while.

Thanks, FTR, for covering boths sides of this issue...(sort of). I, for one, see no point in protecting ANY member of Congress who does such things.

Drakyn

Drakyn

New Providence, NJ
September 2006

AUG 24, 2007 10:25 AM

And Third Parties are not Viable Options WHY?

slayn001

slayn001

United Kingdom
February 2005

AUG 24, 2007 10:28 AM

gerry studds didn't actually do anything illegal, why bring his name into this other than to distract from the fact that foley is a jerk.

Jace

Jace

San Francisco, CA
February 2004

AUG 24, 2007 10:33 AM

There's no better news story to perfectly sum up just how shitty modern-era American politicians are, in every party across the entire political spectrum, than this.

You'd think that after the miserable performance of the democrats thus far, and especially with a story like this hitting the news, that all the democrat voters would freak the fuck out and riot in the streets or something. Alas, that probably won't happen.

Heathen_Dave

Heathen_Dave

Birmingham, AL
July 2005

AUG 24, 2007 10:40 AM

Drakyn said:
And Third Parties are not Viable Options WHY?



Because the media says they aren't, and I'm not sure if you've noticed, but people are fucking stupid.

Holden_Caulfield

Holden_Caulfield

Ann Arbor, MI
April 2004

AUG 24, 2007 10:46 AM

Perhaps the Democrats are just waiting until October, 2008 to "resolve" this matter. Wouldn't that be a pre-election bombshell?

Heathen_Dave

Heathen_Dave

Birmingham, AL
July 2005

AUG 24, 2007 10:49 AM

Holden_Caulfield said:
Perhaps the Democrats are just waiting until October, 2008 to "resolve" this matter. Wouldn't that be a pre-election bombshell?



"You knew what this man was up to and waited this long to go forward with the investigation for political reasons?!?!"

SomethingStupid

SomethingStupid

North Hollywood, CA
March 2004

AUG 24, 2007 10:59 AM

FearTheReaper said:
Isn't there one person in the entire House of Representatives who would be qualified to remove all the files that are "work related" and allow investigators to see the ones that are "teen boy seducing related."


Legally, I can't imagine that that wouldn't be a whole other can of worms. Who gets to decide what information excised and what doesn't? The potential for conflict of interests is huge, and I should think it would present a legal problem, if not in simply doing it at all, then ultimately in presenting the evidence obtained in court. I'm not a lawyer, and I fully admit I'm just guessing about all of this (especially the court bit), but I can't fathom that someone could just simply delete whatever they wish from a computer and then hand the tampered-with computer over to the police. At least without big fucking problems.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

AUG 24, 2007 11:14 AM

TedKoppel said:

FearTheReaper said:
Isn't there one person in the entire House of Representatives who would be qualified to remove all the files that are "work related" and allow investigators to see the ones that are "teen boy seducing related."


Legally, I can't imagine that that wouldn't be a whole other can of worms. Who gets to decide what information excised and what doesn't? The potential for conflict of interests is huge, and I should think it would present a legal problem, if not in simply doing it at all, then ultimately in presenting the evidence obtained in court. I'm not a lawyer, and I fully admit I'm just guessing about all of this (especially the court bit), but I can't fathom that someone could just simply delete whatever they wish from a computer and then hand the tampered-with computer over to the police. At least without big fucking problems.



I was more thinking that there would be a representative from both sides there. Not one man there, wiping out files. But I agree it is a delicate situation. But that does not excuse the leaders allowing it to get to this point.

SomethingStupid

SomethingStupid

North Hollywood, CA
March 2004

AUG 24, 2007 11:21 AM

Further, on the whole, I don't see how this is so horrendous, to be perfectly honest. I know, I know, I'm a Democrat. I'm biased, but it's not that I think that the party isn't capable of doing perfectly horrible and/or idiotic things. They have proven time and again that they are.

In the first place, I feel like I'd be a hypocrite arguing for due process of law for suspected terrorists, and then deciding that it doesn't apply to someone else, just cause I'd like to see him thrown in jail. It sounds like the law, in this instance, is fucked up. Fine, but you can't break that law just this once because it's for a good cause. The closest thing to a solution is to change the law, so it won't be an issue in the future.

In the second place, though, I see nothing indicating that a case can't be made without the information on those computers. Obviously, the more information, the better off a case will be. I realize that, but providing this setback as an allegation that Congress is protecting Foley is pretty weak. If investigators were saying that charges against Foley were contingent upon the data on those computers, okay, you might have a case that Congress was providing protection. Otherwise, though, the title of this article is fairly baseless.

Wait a week or whatever it winds up being and see what the charges are.

SomethingStupid

SomethingStupid

North Hollywood, CA
March 2004

AUG 24, 2007 11:25 AM

FearTheReaper said:
I was more thinking that there would be a representative from both sides there. Not one man there, wiping out files. But I agree it is a delicate situation. But that does not excuse the leaders allowing it to get to this point.


I considered that, but you're still showing a third party the information on the computers in that instance, so I don't think it wouldn't be breaking the law.

Tiger_Fodder

Tiger_Fodder

Braintree, MA
June 2007

AUG 24, 2007 11:25 AM

We need a viable third and maybe fourth party. Making choices between which one of these parties is less evil is just not working. Democrats continue to prove they have NO BALLS!

punk

punk

Phoenix, AZ
January 2004

AUG 24, 2007 11:37 AM

InnocentSid said:
We need a viable third and maybe fourth party. Making choices between which one of these parties is less evil is just not working. Democrats continue to prove they have NO BALLS!



No, we need to start choosing people based on their ideals and what they can do for this country, rather than what club they belong to.

George Washington said "political parties are bad, mmmkay?" but unfortunately, no one listened to him.

SomethingStupid

SomethingStupid

North Hollywood, CA
March 2004

AUG 24, 2007 11:39 AM

InnocentSid said:
We need a viable third and maybe fourth party. Making choices between which one of these parties is less evil is just not working. Democrats continue to prove they have NO BALLS!


You know, my argument has sort of rested on the idea that the law the House is citing (by the way, who or what committee in the House is citing this? The article isn't clear) is valid and correctly interpreted, but even if that were wrong, I don't think this would be showing that Democrats don't have balls. Rather, I think it would be showing that they want to defend against anybody ever getting their hands on the files of their work computers, which is altogether more sinister than not having the guts to go after Republicans. And that sort of corruption isn't specific to any party, third or otherwise.

graphicsman77

graphicsman77

Pasadena, MD
June 2007

AUG 24, 2007 12:15 PM

TedKoppel said:

InnocentSid said:
We need a viable third and maybe fourth party. Making choices between which one of these parties is less evil is just not working. Democrats continue to prove they have NO BALLS!


You know, my argument has sort of rested on the idea that the law the House is citing (by the way, who or what committee in the House is citing this? The article isn't clear) is valid and correctly interpreted, but even if that were wrong, I don't think this would be showing that Democrats don't have balls. Rather, I think it would be showing that they want to defend against anybody ever getting their hands on the files of their work computers, which is altogether more sinister than not having the guts to go after Republicans. And that sort of corruption isn't specific to any party, third or otherwise.



I think that sums it up. It's not a party-specific problem either. I'm a Republican, and I can't help but feel that the "rules" that Congress operates under sometimes contravene the laws that the rest of us operate under. The Feds would have simply taken my computer in this case. And I'm sure, if I were a board member at Coca-cola, they'd take my work computer too.

Rafi

Rafi

Santa Monica, CA
January 2003

AUG 24, 2007 12:41 PM

oyaji said:

Heathen_Dave said:

Drakyn said:
And Third Parties are not Viable Options WHY?



Because the media says they aren't, and I'm not sure if you've noticed, but people are fucking stupid.



They aren't viable options because they do not have the institutional and logistical wherewithal to get on ballots and win elections.

Sad but true.



Plus, you know, the fact that the majority of third party presidential candidates end up being huge nut-jobs.

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Batavia, IL
January 2005

AUG 24, 2007 12:46 PM

Rafi said:

oyaji said:

Heathen_Dave said:

Drakyn said:
And Third Parties are not Viable Options WHY?



Because the media says they aren't, and I'm not sure if you've noticed, but people are fucking stupid.



They aren't viable options because they do not have the institutional and logistical wherewithal to get on ballots and win elections.

Sad but true.



Plus, you know, the fact that the majority of third party presidential candidates end up being huge nut-jobs.



B-b-b-b-but not Ron P-- He who shall not be named?!?

MessyJessy

MessyJessy

Fort Myers, FL
August 2005

AUG 24, 2007 12:52 PM



*forehead slap*

Will you get off it you douchebag? Who the fuck is defending the Dems here?

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Batavia, IL
January 2005

AUG 24, 2007 12:54 PM

MessyJessy said:



*forehead slap*

Will you get off it you douchebag? Who the fuck is defending the Dems here?



You know better than to ask rhetorical questions of a troll.

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