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scorp17yh

scorp17yh

Brookings, OR
November 2004

AUG 06, 2007 08:14 AM

(08-06) 04:00 PDT Washington --

The Pentagon has lost track of about 190,000 AK-47 assault rifles and pistols given to Iraqi security forces

in 2004 and 2005, according to a new government report, raising fears that some of those weapons have fallen into the hands of insurgents fighting U.S. forces in Iraq.

The report from the Government Accountability Office indicates that U.S. military officials do not know what happened to 30 percent of the weapons the United States distributed to Iraqi forces from 2004 through early this year as part of an effort to train and equip the troops. The highest previous estimate of unaccounted-for weapons was 14,000, in a report issued last year by the inspector general for Iraq reconstruction.

The United States has spent $19.2 billion trying to develop Iraqi security forces since 2003, the GAO said, including at least $2.8 billion to buy and deliver equipment.

But the GAO said weapons distribution was haphazard and rushed and failed to follow established procedures, particularly from 2004 to 2005, when security training was led by Gen. David Petraeus, who now commands all U.S. forces in Iraq.

The Pentagon did not dispute the GAO findings, saying it has launched its own investigation and indicating it is working to improve tracking. Although controls have been tightened since 2005, the inability of the United States to track weapons with tools such as serial numbers makes it nearly impossible for the U.S. military to know whether it is battling an enemy equipped by U.S. taxpayers.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/06/MND9RDGCS2.DTL&tsp=1

But the GAO said weapons distribution was haphazard and rushed and failed to follow established procedures, particularly from 2004 to 2005, when security training was led by Gen. David Petraeus, who now commands all U.S. forces in Iraq.

So Gen Petraeus didn't follow procedures and totally fucked up and what
happens, he's put in charge of the whole shebang
"Your doing a heck of a job Davey"

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

AUG 06, 2007 08:46 AM

The original article in the Washington Post (free membership, but still kind of a pain) adds some interesting tidbits, such as the fact that

The author of the report from the Government Accountability Office says U.S. military officials do not know what happened to 30 percent of the weapons the United States distributed to Iraqi forces from 2004 through early this year as part of an effort to train and equip the troops.


And

"They really have no idea where [the weapons] are," said Rachel Stohl, a senior analyst at the Center for Defense Information who has studied small-arms trade and received Pentagon briefings on the issue. "It likely means that the United States is unintentionally providing weapons to bad actors."

One senior Pentagon official acknowledged that some of the weapons probably are being used against U.S. forces. He cited the Iraqi brigade created at Fallujah that quickly dissolved in September 2004 and turned its weapons against the Americans.

Stohl said insurgents frequently use small-arms fire to force military convoys to move in a particular direction -- often toward roadside bombs. She noted that the Bush administration frequently complains that Iran and Syria are supplying insurgents but has paid little attention to whether U.S. military errors inadvertently play a role. "We know there is seepage and very little is being done to address the problem," she said.


Emphasis added in all cases.

The investigation is particularly damning of Petraeus.

The GAO reached the estimate of 190,000 missing arms -- 110,000 AK-47s and 80,000 pistols -- by comparing the property records of the Multi-National Security Transition Command for Iraq against records Petraeus maintained of the arms and equipment he had ordered. Petraeus's figures were compared with classified data and other records to ensure that they were accurate enough to compare against the property books.

In all cases, the gaps between the two records were enormous. Petraeus reported that about 185,000 AK-47 rifles, 170,000 pistols, 215,000 pieces of body armor and 140,000 helmets were issued to Iraqi security forces from June 2004 through September 2005. But the property books contained records for 75,000 AK-47 rifles, 90,000 pistols, 80,000 pieces of body armor and 25,000 helmets.


That's a lot of weapons to go missing. Enough to supply a small army.

scorp17yh

scorp17yh

Brookings, OR
November 2004

AUG 06, 2007 08:58 AM

Zarth said:
The original article in the Washington Post (free membership, but still kind of a pain) adds some interesting tidbits, such as the fact that

The author of the report from the Government Accountability Office says U.S. military officials do not know what happened to 30 percent of the weapons the United States distributed to Iraqi forces from 2004 through early this year as part of an effort to train and equip the troops.


And

"They really have no idea where [the weapons] are," said Rachel Stohl, a senior analyst at the Center for Defense Information who has studied small-arms trade and received Pentagon briefings on the issue. "It likely means that the United States is unintentionally providing weapons to bad actors."

One senior Pentagon official acknowledged that some of the weapons probably are being used against U.S. forces. He cited the Iraqi brigade created at Fallujah that quickly dissolved in September 2004 and turned its weapons against the Americans.

Stohl said insurgents frequently use small-arms fire to force military convoys to move in a particular direction -- often toward roadside bombs. She noted that the Bush administration frequently complains that Iran and Syria are supplying insurgents but has paid little attention to whether U.S. military errors inadvertently play a role. "We know there is seepage and very little is being done to address the problem," she said.


Emphasis added in all cases.

The investigation is particularly damning of Petraeus.

The GAO reached the estimate of 190,000 missing arms -- 110,000 AK-47s and 80,000 pistols -- by comparing the property records of the Multi-National Security Transition Command for Iraq against records Petraeus maintained of the arms and equipment he had ordered. Petraeus's figures were compared with classified data and other records to ensure that they were accurate enough to compare against the property books.

In all cases, the gaps between the two records were enormous. Petraeus reported that about 185,000 AK-47 rifles, 170,000 pistols, 215,000 pieces of body armor and 140,000 helmets were issued to Iraqi security forces from June 2004 through September 2005. But the property books contained records for 75,000 AK-47 rifles, 90,000 pistols, 80,000 pieces of body armor and 25,000 helmets.


That's a lot of weapons to go missing. Enough to supply a small army.



Is it possible that 'incompetence' is some kind of infectious disease being spread from Bush on down

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

AUG 06, 2007 09:08 AM

scorp17yh said:
Is it possible that 'incompetence' is some kind of infectious disease being spread from Bush on down


More than possible - demonstrable, I'd say. The man has no recognition for any qualifications in his subordinates beyond unquestioning loyalty, and loyalty is only as virtuous as its object.

MessyJessy

MessyJessy

Fort Myers, FL
August 2005

AUG 06, 2007 09:13 AM

Zarth said:
loyalty is only as virtuous as its object.



+1000000000000000000

I may start quoting that now...

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

AUG 06, 2007 09:15 AM

That's fine. I'm a communist, after all, and don't really believe in patents.

FridgeMagnet

FridgeMagnet

Chicago, IL
November 2004

AUG 06, 2007 11:56 AM

Why are we buying AK-47s? I thought the M4 was the standard American issue rifle.

scorp17yh

scorp17yh

Brookings, OR
November 2004

AUG 06, 2007 12:05 PM

FridgeNGaged said:
Why are we buying AK-47s? I thought the M4 was the standard American issue rifle.




'cause we got a heck of a deal from the former Soviet Union after it went bankrupt fighting and LOSING in AFGHANISTAN silly

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

AUG 06, 2007 01:33 PM

Zarth said:

Petraeus reported that about 185,000 AK-47 rifles, 170,000 pistols, 215,000 pieces of body armor and 140,000 helmets were issued to Iraqi security forces from June 2004 through September 2005. But the property books contained records for 75,000 AK-47 rifles, 90,000 pistols, 80,000 pieces of body armor and 25,000 helmets.


That's a lot of weapons to go missing. Enough to supply a small army.



Good god. I'd say that 110,000 AK-47 rifles, 80,000 pistols, 135,000 pieces of body armor, and 115,000 helmets are enough to equip a pretty goddamn big army.

Ff

Ff

I'm lost
August 2006

AUG 06, 2007 01:49 PM

maybe they meant to "lose" them?

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

AUG 06, 2007 03:32 PM

FridgeNGaged said:
Why are we buying AK-47s? I thought the M4 was the standard American issue rifle.


Because that was what the Iraqis were already trained on. War on the cheap, yet again.