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RaphaelAdidas

RaphaelAdidas

I'm lost
November 2003

JUL 18, 2007 08:21 PM

Dogfighting charges

Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick will go before a federal court in Richmond, Virginia, next week on charges that he participated in a dogfighting ring spanning at least nine states, the court said Wednesday.

The Falcons star went by the code name "Ookie" and participated in or OK'd the killing of numerous dogs, the indictment states. Vick and his co-defendants killed eight dogs as recently as April, the indictment states.

Some dogs were killed after being "rolled," a process by which dogs are tested to determine if they are ferocious fighters. However, in one case, a female pit bull was injured in a fight that cost Vick and his co-defendants $13,000, according to the indictment.

After Vick was consulted about the canine's condition, one of his co-defendants "executed the losing dog by wetting the dog down with water and electrocuting the animal," the indictment states.

Various other methods were used to kill dogs that fought or tested poorly, including hanging, drowning, shooting, and in at least one case, slamming the dog to the ground, the indictment says.

The indictment alleges that the Falcons phenom and his cohorts engaged in other disturbing practices and that a raid on a home in Virginia uncovered items like "breaking sticks" -- used for prying fighting dogs' jaws apart -- and a "rape stand" used to tie down aggressive female dogs for breeding.



Help get him suspended from the NFL

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUL 18, 2007 08:24 PM

I saw that, and it pissed me the fuck off.

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

JUL 18, 2007 08:26 PM

Hey, if Pete Rose could get banned for just gambling, Vick needs to go down, hard.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUL 18, 2007 08:30 PM

skeptik said:
Hey, if Pete Rose could get banned for just gambling, Vick needs to go down, hard.

For realz... I guess there are reports that they would body slam dogs that didn't fight, among all the other horrible shit. I mean for fuck's sake. You have all that damn money and you can't find anything better to do with your free time?

MessyJessy

MessyJessy

Fort Myers, FL
August 2005

JUL 18, 2007 08:30 PM

I agree, I hope this dude gets some serious jail time...but since he's Michael Vick, I sort of doubt it... I think this is one of the lowest forms of behavior any human can participate in...

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

JUL 18, 2007 08:30 PM

skeptik said:
Hey, if Pete Rose could get banned for just gambling, Vick needs to go down, hard.



to hell? yeah.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

JUL 18, 2007 08:37 PM

He's a horrible, despicable, atrocious person. Jail is exactly where he should be.

Lilyfly

Lilyfly

I'm lost
April 2007

JUL 18, 2007 08:40 PM

wildswan said:
He's a horrible, despicable, atrocious person. Jail is exactly where he should be.



Agreed. I couldn't even finish reading some of that shit.

Margot_Dent

Margot_Dent

Los Angeles, CA
February 2004

JUL 18, 2007 08:46 PM

reading that made me feel sick. i hope these people are SEVERELY dealt with.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 18, 2007 08:52 PM

It would be illegal in most states for me to even describe the hate I have for people who participate in this.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUL 18, 2007 08:55 PM

They were talking about this on Sports Center, and I guess some people are all "I don't care what he does...he's our quarterback... dur dur dur".... But it does sound like the Falcons might get rid of him for bad publicity (apparently they've had some problems with him already just being a smuck in general). But I really do hope the NFL kicks him out, if they can do that...

TheInsomniac

TheInsomniac

Washington, DC
October 2003

JUL 18, 2007 09:05 PM

Suspended? Ha. Lifetime ban.

Oh, and jailtime. Hopefully lots and lots of jailtime.

Lilyfly

Lilyfly

I'm lost
April 2007

JUL 18, 2007 09:08 PM

emotedcreations said:
They were talking about this on Sports Center, and I guess some people are all "I don't care what he does...he's our quarterback... dur dur dur".... But it does sound like the Falcons might get rid of him for bad publicity (apparently they've had some problems with him already just being a smuck in general). But I really do hope the NFL kicks him out, if they can do that...



See, that's what I'm afraid of. I heard that they may not even get rid of him, he's their quarterback which means he's Christ to sports fans, blah blah blah. I hope he gets punished, he and everyone involved in that stuff are sick, and anyone who would continue to support his endeavors just because he can help their team win is sick as well.

I wouldn't be surprised though, people amaze me. I remember a month ago when Chris Benoit killed his wife and son, and some people seriously remarked, "That's sad, but he accomplished so much as a wrestler! He's my hero! Let's not only focus on the bad stuff he did!" puke

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUL 18, 2007 09:14 PM

SaintInsomniac said:
Suspended? Ha. Lifetime ban.

Oh, and jailtime. Hopefully lots and lots of jailtime.

I think they said there's a possibility of six years in a federal prison. It'd be great if he did all six, but the way they treat athletes these days I'll be satisfied if he even does a year. Unfortunately, I think the real pain is going to come from the NFL. Let's just hope the prosecutors and the NFL don't go soft.

Lilyfly said:
I wouldn't be surprised though, people amaze me. I remember a month ago when Chris Benoit killed his wife and son, and some people seriously remarked, "That's sad, but he accomplished so much as a wrestler! He's my hero! Let's not only focus on the bad stuff he did!" puke

As far as his team goes, I think it's going to have a lot to do with public response, so let's hope that the non-football fans expressing disgust at him representing their city outweigh the fanatics. But I dunno... It's all speculation at this point, but I know I'm going to write a letter to the NFL and the Falcons and give them my piece of mind.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUL 18, 2007 09:18 PM

Just saw this: they did a random telephone poll of Atlanteans (?) about 1,000 people, and half said to release him now, and the other half said to wait to see if he's convicted (in case people care).

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006
Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 18, 2007 09:59 PM



DONE.

I wish I could do it a thousand times.

Tinyhobo

Tinyhobo

Boulder City, NV
December 2006

JUL 18, 2007 10:01 PM

chainlink said:



DONE.

I wish I could do it a thousand times.



done thanks wildswan

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

JUL 18, 2007 11:17 PM

It is probable that the NFL will do nothing, unless he is found guilty. The Falcons as a team will more than likely wait it out. I would hope otherwise, but it is doubtful they'll do anything until he is convicted.

http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx#4

http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx#5

As for being found guilty and doing time, I suspect that Vick is pretty much fucked and will be found guilty. Being responsible for the deaths and torture of that many dogs; is abominable; he is a sick twisted monster. Upon being convicted it is very likely that Vick will be banned from the NFL.

Recent events with idiots such as Pacman Jones and Tank Johnson have forced the NFL to take these kinds of incidents very seriously. If anything Vick can be used to teach other players that it doesn't matter how well they play, how many shoe contracts they get, how much the fans seem to like them, if they fuck up they get to pay for it, just like everyone else.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUL 18, 2007 11:24 PM

joker_c said:
It is probable that the NFL will do nothing, unless he is found guilty. The Falcons as a team will more than likely wait it out. I would hope otherwise, but it is doubtful they'll do anything until he is convicted.

http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx#4

http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx#5

As for being found guilty and doing time, I suspect that Vick is pretty much fucked and will be found guilty. Being responsible for the deaths and torture of that many dogs; is abominable; he is a sick twisted monster. Upon being convicted it is very likely that Vick will be banned from the NFL.

Recent events with idiots such as Pacman Jones and Tank Johnson have forced the NFL to take these kinds of incidents very seriously. If anything Vick can be used to teach other players that it doesn't matter how well they play, how many shoe contracts they get, how much the fans seem to like them, if they fuck up they get to pay for it, just like everyone else.



The NFL has already set a precedent of suspending people without actual convictions. Whatever I feel about the inherent fairness of that precedent, I think it's very likely that you're going to see a suspension here at the very least.

Westley

Westley

Vatican City
April 2004

JUL 18, 2007 11:45 PM

emotedcreations said:
As far as his team goes, I think it's going to have a lot to do with public response, so let's hope that the non-football fans expressing disgust at him representing their city outweigh the fanatics. But I dunno... It's all speculation at this point, but I know I'm going to write a letter to the NFL and the Falcons and give them my piece of mind.


Public response can only do so much. The real problem the Falcons have is that Michaal Vick was given signing bonuses totaling $37 million dollars on his current contract, so when you throw in his base salary they have paid him $50 million dollars for only two seasons. The final eight years of his contract would only cost them 150% of what they have paid for the first two years. In the NFL, contracts are often front loaded with signing bonuses, so even voiding the rest of the contract would not save them from the situation financially, unless there is some legal means to force him to give back part of his signing bonus (maybe prorate it?). Without a conviction, I doubt that is possible, if it is at all.

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

JUL 18, 2007 11:54 PM

Subrosa said:

joker_c said:
It is probable that the NFL will do nothing, unless he is found guilty. The Falcons as a team will more than likely wait it out. I would hope otherwise, but it is doubtful they'll do anything until he is convicted.

http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx#4

http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx#5

As for being found guilty and doing time, I suspect that Vick is pretty much fucked and will be found guilty. Being responsible for the deaths and torture of that many dogs; is abominable; he is a sick twisted monster. Upon being convicted it is very likely that Vick will be banned from the NFL.

Recent events with idiots such as Pacman Jones and Tank Johnson have forced the NFL to take these kinds of incidents very seriously. If anything Vick can be used to teach other players that it doesn't matter how well they play, how many shoe contracts they get, how much the fans seem to like them, if they fuck up they get to pay for it, just like everyone else.



The NFL has already set a precedent of suspending people without actual convictions. Whatever I feel about the inherent fairness of that precedent, I think it's very likely that you're going to see a suspension here at the very least.



You're right, and I would love to see it. I hope that my suspicion that they'll go by their own rules; because it is Vick is completely wrong (which would be an evaluation, not a suspension). Also isn't part of the reason for Pacmans suspension multiple violations of the player conduct rules?
Come to think of it Vick did break the drug policy a while back didn't he?

I am very disappointed in Vick as a fan. I enjoyed watching him play a great deal; I don't have any love for the Falcons, but he was great to watch. Especially in the first beating of the Packers at home in the playoffs.
When I first heard about this (it seems like a couple of months now), I was extremely disappointed. What a disgusting human being he has turned out to be. I am weirded out to find the memories of him playing Football being distorted by the "very likely" reality that he is a sick twisted fuck.

EDIT
Dog torturer and murderer makes most rush yards by Quarterback in a season seem like it means very little.

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

JUL 18, 2007 11:58 PM

Fuck that, I can't believe I am thinking this.
I wish the Packers had won that game.

mamet

mamet

Charleston, SC
March 2005

JUL 18, 2007 11:59 PM

Subrosa said:

joker_c said:
It is probable that the NFL will do nothing, unless he is found guilty. The Falcons as a team will more than likely wait it out. I would hope otherwise, but it is doubtful they'll do anything until he is convicted.

http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx#4

http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx#5

As for being found guilty and doing time, I suspect that Vick is pretty much fucked and will be found guilty. Being responsible for the deaths and torture of that many dogs; is abominable; he is a sick twisted monster. Upon being convicted it is very likely that Vick will be banned from the NFL.

Recent events with idiots such as Pacman Jones and Tank Johnson have forced the NFL to take these kinds of incidents very seriously. If anything Vick can be used to teach other players that it doesn't matter how well they play, how many shoe contracts they get, how much the fans seem to like them, if they fuck up they get to pay for it, just like everyone else.



The NFL has already set a precedent of suspending people without actual convictions. Whatever I feel about the inherent fairness of that precedent, I think it's very likely that you're going to see a suspension here at the very least.



Everyone he's suspended so far has a lengthy history of being involved in suspicious or criminal activity. Except for the water bottle incident, which ultimately went nowhere, Vick doesn't really have that. You think Goodell will preemptively suspend a guy without a track record? I think that could set a dangerous precedent. I understand he could because of the wording of the new policy, but I don't think he should. Granted, if he's ultimately convicted, I don't think he should be able to play professional football again, but someone facing his first run-in with the law, allow him due process first.

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

JUL 19, 2007 01:10 AM

I watch way to much ESPN.

The analysts are now saying that the trial will more than likely happen during the season.
According to them, a suspension is fairly irrelevant, because Vick cannot possibly pull a Kobe Bryant and be gone for days at a time to handle his trial and then play Quarterback. Practicing plays in football, uhm matters; a non practicing Quarterback does not get to play on Sunday unless there really is no one else. Luckily for the Falcons they spent a relative shit ton of money on back up Joey Harrington, who is by no means a superstar; but he has had his moments.

So, chances are no matter what the NFL and the Falcons choose to do with Vick's status, he will not be playing football during the trial.
Which is great because he should not be playing, but it does give the NFL an easy out; since he won't be playing my guess is they will not punish him, till (hopefully) conviction happens.

As well as for the reasons mamet pointed out.

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