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SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUL 15, 2007 05:20 PM

xazapdmytinu said:

SockPuppet said:
mm hm.

And who will be held responsible, when the robot with a taser "makes a mistake" and zaps a suspect 47 times? That will be "unforeseeable software problems", right?



funniest part is, it won't be someone ELSE taping it...the robot will be incriminating itself (that is until robots are given the same constitutional rights as humans...)



Due to "unforeseeable software problems", the operator's giggling and heavy breathing will not be recorded. Nor will the identity of the officer giving the order.

xazapdmytinu

xazapdmytinu

Fort Collins, CO
July 2007

JUL 15, 2007 09:52 PM

but really, who would have thought you'd have to actually monitor the operators? It's not like they are in customer service. biggrin

shapeshifter23

shapeshifter23

San Francisco, CA
September 2005

JUL 15, 2007 10:00 PM

hor

hor

USA
June 2005

JUL 15, 2007 10:15 PM

Trahern said:
I want an astromech version. I could use it to go shopping for me.



Blasphemy!

pisschrist

pisschrist

United Kingdom
February 2006

JUL 16, 2007 10:39 AM

doesnt these robots kinda take the whole point of the army out.. just give the remotes to 12 - 14 yr olds and they will kick everyones ass like they seem to do on gears of war... and raibow six... and wellne games that comeout..

kennedy7

kennedy7

Austin, TX
December 2003

JUL 16, 2007 06:39 PM

Hmm a pac-bot or a Hummer2? Why does that little thing cost $45,000 when most of it's parts are available in stores? Because the taxpayer is paying for it so they jack the price up as usual.

aldoushuxley

aldoushuxley

USA
November 2005

JUL 16, 2007 06:44 PM

Hummers are a lot more expensive than 45000 dollars. It is so expensive because it has to be built to take any combat situation in mind, whether it is damaged or not. Believe me the military doesn't lie about the price of its goods, they have people that audit the military just for this reason.

lavenir

lavenir

Turlock, CA
June 2007

JUL 16, 2007 06:53 PM

"Hey, have you guys come up with a cure for cancer?"

"No."

"AIDS?"

"No."

"What about the health care thing?"

"Universal health care is for communists."

"How's that 'killer robot' thing coming?"

"Oh yeah, we're getting really close to having that done."

lavenir

lavenir

Turlock, CA
June 2007

JUL 16, 2007 07:06 PM

DhD_PillowPants said:

BlastProcessing said:
How many live human soldiers could be properly outfitted for what we're spending here on 74 robots?



It takes quite a bit of money to pay, train, feed, outfit, and eventually give medical treatment to soldiers. Exactly how much, I don't know.

But honestly, I don't care if the loss of human life can be lowered.

I'm not sure that will be the case in the long run. It really seems that there is a danger in making war increasingly impersonal.

utgardsloki087

utgardsloki087

Charlottesville, VA
May 2007

JUL 16, 2007 07:12 PM

And the game is on.
So what's the score, what happens next?
whatever

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

JUL 16, 2007 08:04 PM

pisschrist said:
doesnt these robots kinda take the whole point of the army out.. just give the remotes to 12 - 14 yr olds and they will kick everyones ass like they seem to do on gears of war... and raibow six... and wellne games that comeout..



Well, at least they will be pretty well practiced because of the widespread popularity of de_dust

But seriously, it will be interesting to see our perception of war change as our losses become solely monetary, whereas the poorer nations will not have these robots, and the wars will be fought in their countries, not ours.

But then again, necessity is the mother of all invention, and history shows us that even in the face of insurmountable odds, warfare can adapt to neutralize the advantages of having a very large/advanced army (thermoplyae, vietnam, iraq)

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUL 16, 2007 08:14 PM

SkyNet anyone?

Metaverse

Metaverse

USA
March 2005

JUL 16, 2007 08:23 PM

We're all doomed...the terminators are coming!

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUL 17, 2007 03:24 PM

freshprncebelair said:

pisschrist said:
doesnt these robots kinda take the whole point of the army out.. just give the remotes to 12 - 14 yr olds and they will kick everyones ass like they seem to do on gears of war... and raibow six... and wellne games that comeout..



Well, at least they will be pretty well practiced because of the widespread popularity of de_dust

But seriously, it will be interesting to see our perception of war change as our losses become solely monetary, whereas the poorer nations will not have these robots, and the wars will be fought in their countries, not ours.



I don't think that perception will change much, will it? America hasn't fought a foreign war on its own soil since 1812, IIRC. GIs in Vietnam used to call going home "going back to the world", after all.
Britain's much the same; but we're more used to the consequences of our colonial/imperial past coming home to roost. It would be a mistake to think of America as immune, I think.


But then again, necessity is the mother of all invention, and history shows us that even in the face of insurmountable odds, warfare can adapt to neutralize the advantages of having a very large/advanced army (thermoplyae, vietnam, iraq)



Big battalions are the way to bet, sure. Question is how you define "big".

aldoushuxley

aldoushuxley

USA
November 2005

JUL 17, 2007 03:44 PM

From sock Puppet,
I don't think that perception will change much, will it? America hasn't fought a foreign war on its own soil since 1812,

Do you mean a foreign army, because if you do you are incorrect, in world war 2 American troops fought the Japanese in Alaska. The funny thing is this has been referred to as the forgotten war, due to how little known the conflict in Alaska was. Honestly I think the terrorists in Iraq are ingenious, these guys are really good at killing American soldiers.The death count for American soldiers is relatively low in comparison to other wars, however the death count for civilians Iraqi and Ameican and foreign contractors are huge. Life altering injuries for US troops are in the forty thousand range as well. America is opting on this right now to lower troop risk and I actually think it is a cost effective and life saving idea. However fully mechanized war won't be for a while we will see full scale Cyber war or information warfare first.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUL 17, 2007 03:55 PM

aldoushuxley said:
From sock Puppet,
I don't think that perception will change much, will it? America hasn't fought a foreign war on its own soil since 1812,

Do you mean a foreign army, because if you do you are incorrect, in world war 2 American troops fought the Japanese in Alaska. The funny thing is this has been referred to as the forgotten war, due to how little known the conflict in Alaska was.




I did mean a foreign army; thank you, I stand corrected.

Edit: I have to say, I don't honestly think that counts. Three islands in the Aleutians, mostly evacuated already and populated by (non-white) Aleuts without any sort of cultural identification by Americans. That's only a foreign war on American soil in name.

source

aldoushuxley

aldoushuxley

USA
November 2005

JUL 17, 2007 04:02 PM

The land that was taken was in the Aleutian chain, however airborne attacks went as far inland as Juneau Sitka and Ketchikan. Kind of cool huh, I bet you 85% percent of Americans don't even know this information. The reason is because at the time FDR did not want the information to get out because it would cause the nation to panic even further.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 17, 2007 05:47 PM

German uboats were all up in the gulf during ww2 as well. Often forgotten.

Historic wrecks

There's some very funny stories about Ernest Hemingway getting permission and equipment from the Navy to outfit his fishing boat to hunt them. Word has it he and his men mostly motored about getting drunk and throwing the grenades at fish and never found a single uboat.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUL 17, 2007 06:01 PM

chainlink said:
German uboats were all up in the gulf during ww2 as well. Often forgotten.

Historic wrecks

There's some very funny stories about Ernest Hemingway getting permission and equipment from the Navy to outfit his fishing boat to hunt them. Word has it he and his men mostly motored about getting drunk and throwing the grenades at fish and never found a single uboat.

My grandfather bombed German u-boats in the Caribbean, and the Alaskan islands were Attu and Kiska.

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