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Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JUL 10, 2007 06:40 PM

The White House today delivered its strongest rejection yet of the principle of Congressional oversight, invoking executive privilege to obstruct the investigation into last year's firings of United States attorneys.

President Bush invoked a broad interpretation of executive privilege on Monday in his confrontation with Congress over the dismissal of federal prosecutors, refusing to comply with subpoenas for documents and blocking testimony from former White House aides.

Mr. Bush’s counsel, Fred F. Fielding, in a combative letter to the Democratic chairmen of the House and Senate Judiciary Committees, said the White House and the two legislative panels had reached an impasse. The letter, which also said the White House would refuse to turn over materials explaining Mr. Bush’s legal claims, appeared to place the executive and legislative branches on a collision course.

Mr. Fielding wrote that Mr. Bush would not turn over any records related to the dismissals and that he had instructed Sara M. Taylor, the former White House political director, and Harriet E. Miers, the former White House counsel, to refuse to testify in hearings this week.


The White House had previously offered, as a grudging compromise, to allow these and other officials (including Karl Rove) to speak to the Committees in "informal sessions with no transcripts," but this was resoundingly rejected by lawmakers as inadequate.

Congress could conceivably be accused here of an overenthusiastic investigation, but it's hard not to be reminded of that traditionally conservative refrain, "Only the guilty need to be worried."

Indeed, the White House's actions are difficult to comprehend without assuming some kind of guilt. If the whole inquiry process were really just so much of a tempest-in-a-teapot, then the quickest way to deal with it would be to comply, answer the questions, and laugh at the silly democrats and their witch hunts and move on. It's not as if allowing White house aides to testify would be setting some kind of precedent, the way rejecting Congressional authority would.

The only really plausible alternative might be that such a precedent is exactly what the White House is trying to establish, but it's hard to imagine what advantage the administration would get out of that, inasmuch as it's only going to be in power for another five hundred and fifty-nine days.

Meanwhile, the stage is being set for a Constitutional crisis:

Neither side has shown any willingness to back down. But several separate steps would be needed before the House or Senate could vote on a contempt measure to compel compliance with its subpoenas. Such a contempt citation could send the constitutional conflict into court.

In the uproar over the prosecutor ousters, Mr. Bush first asserted executive privilege on June 28 in response to a Congressional demand for White House records related to the dismissals. Faced with a Monday deadline to turn over a log describing specific documents being withheld under the privilege doctrine, Mr. Fielding refused to produce it, saying he was speaking expressly on behalf of Mr. Bush.

In his letter, Mr. Fielding articulated an expansive definition of executive privilege.
"The assertion of executive privilege here is intended to protect a fundamental interest of the presidency: the necessity that a president receive candid advice from his advisers and that those advisers be able to communicate freely and openly with the president," Mr. Fielding wrote. He added that in the case of the dismissed federal prosecutors, “the institutional interest of the executive branch is very strong."



While the basic idea of executive privilege has been around since the Washington administration, the concept and its limitations were been most clearly formulated by the Supreme Court in U.S. v. Nixon. As Chief Justice Burger wrote in the unanimous opinion,

Neither the doctrine of separation of powers, nor the need for confidentiality of high-level communications, without more, can sustain an absolute, unqualified Presidential privilege of immunity from judicial process under all circumstances. The President's need for complete candor and objectivity from advisors calls for great deference from the courts. However, when the privilege depends solely on the broad, undifferentiated claim of public interest in the confidentiality of such conversations, a confrontation with other values arises.


This has generally been understood to mean "that executive privilege does not apply to 'demonstrably relevant' evidence in criminal cases."

Given this standard, of course, it's hard to imagine the current Supreme Court siding with Congress on this particular dispute, unless the committees can successfully argue that their investigation is a specifically criminal one. If criminal actions have taken place (as there is some reason to suspect), the administration's stonewalling will probably prove successful.

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

JUL 10, 2007 09:09 PM

Since Reagan, Republican Presidents have been trying to undo the inroads made against that unitary executive since those pussies in the 70's fucked everything up.

With the Roberts court empaneled and Kennedy doing everything but smoothing on the Vaseline for the conservative bench, it looks like they have finally done it.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 10, 2007 09:10 PM

Just jab a fuckin ice pick in my throat ok buddy ?

nice article though. Thanks.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JUL 10, 2007 09:18 PM

How is this news?

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JUL 10, 2007 09:21 PM

FearTheReaper said:
How is this news?


Flah.

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 10, 2007 09:24 PM

Zarth said:

FearTheReaper said:
How is this news?


Flah.



Someone needs a hetox.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JUL 10, 2007 09:25 PM

Zarth said:

FearTheReaper said:
How is this news?


Flah.



Ever since I saw this story today I've been waiting for this moment. I really need to get a life...

spyder13

spyder13

San Francisco, CA
October 2006

JUL 10, 2007 09:28 PM

While the Bush administration makes me want to kill myself it is the justices (supreme and other) that this administration has put in place that makes me think I should do it! (Not actually. I'd move tp Canada before taking my own life.) But still.... the liberties earned in the past decades are slowly going to be stripped from our society because of the judges Bush put into play. And because of that Bush will get away with his abuse of "executive priviledges." God help us all, and I am an atheist!!

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

JUL 10, 2007 09:29 PM

Maybe Bush rejects congressional oversight because there so many people in Congress. All those Senators and Representatives. So many personalities, attitudes, politics. And they come up with all those laws! Doesn't seem to fit in with his epic battle of good versus evil.

Seriously though, are the Democrats going to be able to rebuke Bush or is the majority they hold just not large enough?

Mockingbird

Mockingbird

Chicago, IL
January 2006

JUL 10, 2007 09:31 PM

This country worries me. :/

OctEgon

OctEgon

Tustin, CA
July 2005

JUL 10, 2007 09:41 PM

I seriously can't wait until this asshole is gone.

MessyJessy

MessyJessy

Fort Myers, FL
August 2005

JUL 10, 2007 09:46 PM

559 days makes it sound like such a long fucking time... puke puke puke

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JUL 10, 2007 09:47 PM

KUNGFOO said:
Maybe Bush rejects congressional oversight because there so many people in Congress. All those Senators and Representatives. So many personalities, attitudes, politics. And they come up with all those laws! Doesn't seem to fit in with his epic battle of good versus evil.

Seriously though, are the Democrats going to be able to rebuke Bush or is the majority they hold just not large enough?


I don't think the majority is large enough to force the issue à la the Clinton impeachment.

And, unless I'm woefully misinformed on the issue, the Committees are trying to discover evidence of whether any criminal activity, particularly obstruction of justice, occurred in the administration's actions. This is therefore to be distinguished from Watergate where a criminal investigation was already ongoing by the time it landed on Nixon's doorstep. That, in addition to the ideological composition of the Roberts Court, makes it far more likely that executive privilege will be upheld, unless Congress can argue a compelling interest equivalent to a criminal inquiry.

I could be factually wrong on any of these things, of course.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JUL 10, 2007 09:53 PM



The supposed Judicial branch of the USA has been, possibly irreparably, corrupted.

There is no ultimate recourse for justice in America.

Corrupt, partisan, illegal activities are no longer subject to legal attack.

It is very likely that there are many, many layers of corruption and illegal actions that will never be uncovered.

MessyJessy

MessyJessy

Fort Myers, FL
August 2005

JUL 10, 2007 09:54 PM

FearTheReaper said:


The supposed Judicial branch of the USA has been, possibly irreparably, corrupted.

There is no ultimate recourse for justice in America.

Corrupt, partisan, illegal activities are no longer subject to legal attack.

It is very likely that there are many, many layers of corruption and illegal actions that will never be uncovered.



puke

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JUL 10, 2007 10:09 PM

There is a remedy, however. It called inherent comtempt and was last done under Reagan. The lawyer in question was Fielding, the same lawyer that represents the White House. He lost then and he will lose again.

It is long.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

The last time the Congress actually voted to hold an executive branch official in contempt of Congress was in the 1982 case of EPA Administrator Anne Gorsuch Burford. Gorsuch (who was later remarried, to Bureau of Land Management head Robert Burford) was found in contempt by a House vote of 259-105 (with 55 Republicans voting in favor). The charges were, in keeping with practice in statutory contempt cases, referred to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia for prosecution.

And a lightbulb switches on! The actual prosecution of contempt of Congress charges is the responsibility of a U.S. Attorney.

What an extraordinary piece of bad luck, given the current situation!

A few astute commenters observed that Congress has another weapon in its arsenal for backing up the subpoena power: the long-dormant "inherent contempt" process, described below in the Congressional Research Service's "Congressional Oversight Manual" (PDF):

Under the inherent contempt power, the individual is brought before the House or Senate by the Sergeant-at-Arms, tried at the bar of the body, and can be imprisoned. The purpose of the imprisonment or other sanction may be either punitive or coercive. Thus, the witness can be imprisoned for a specified period of time as punishment, or for an indefinite period (but not, at least in the case of the House, beyond the adjournment of a session of the Congress) until he agrees to comply. The inherent contempt power has been recognized by the Supreme Court as inextricably related to Congress's constitutionally-based power to investigate.

The most obvious benefit of inherent contempt is that it's conducted entirely "in-house," that is, entirely on the authority of the legislative branch. The most obvious drawback? Spending time on a trial. Well, that and the scene of having the Sergeant at Arms and the Capitol Police physically barred from entering the White House to arrest those who've defied subpoenas.

But is there another choice? What other power, besides impeachment, does the Congress have in its arsenal to enforce the "subpoena power" we were all told this election was about? There are no other direct options, only oblique approaches to using indirect leverage.

The next question, then, is whether or not anybody in Congress has bothered to think things through to this point, and begin preparing for this possibility. And here, I finally have some good news.

Rep. Brad Miller of North Carolina, in his capacity as chairman of the Science committee's Investigations and Oversight panel, has encountered the same sort of intransigence from the Bush "administration" that is threatened over the investigation into the U.S. Attorney firings. Only in the case of his investigation, involving the Department of Education, the "administration" hasn't even really done him the courtesy of making up an excuse for why they're not providing the requested documents. They're just not doing it.

So as Rep. Miller has become increasingly pessimistic about the chances that the "administration" will relent in his case, he's been consulting the same Congressional Oversight Manual, and was dismayed to learn that the enforcement options are indeed quite limited. Inherent contempt, he's discovered, is perhaps the only way Congress will be able to enforce its subpoena power with this "administration," and he's been talking with CRS experts to explore how a modern inherent contempt procedure might be established. Even better, he's been sharing that information with Rep. Linda Sanchez, chair of the Judiciary committee's Commercial and Administrative Law panel that's handling the subpoenas in the U.S. Attorneys matter.

Unfortunately, the current thinking among most Members of Congress is that the subpoena showdown will be settled in court. But as we discussed yesterday, that's highly unlikely. Rather, it seems most probably that the courts will dismiss such a case under the "political question doctrine," as they did in the Burford case in 1982.

Is there a stronger and more direct signal to send to the White House that the Congress is serious about its oversight authority than the one that would come from the House taking the time to dust off the inherent contempt concept, and establish a modern procedure for it? If so, I can't think of it.

At the very least, it's going to pay to be prepared sooner rather than later. Once those subpoenas are issued, it won't be long before we know precisely what the White House plans to do when the chips are down. And if we're sitting around looking at one another when the White House signals its final defiance, we're likely to lose a lot of momentum.

Let's face it: if the "administration" simply refuses to budge, the Congress either has to fold its tent and go home, or enforce on its own authority the subpoena power the American people voted for. Given that we've reached this impasse -- and we knew it was coming -- over an investigation into the hyper-partisan and hyper-politicized nature of the U.S. Attorneys, inherent contempt proceedings would appear to be the first and most direct resort of Congress in enforcing its mandate.

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Baton Rouge, LA
January 2006

JUL 10, 2007 10:24 PM

Zarth said:

KUNGFOO said:
Maybe Bush rejects congressional oversight because there so many people in Congress. All those Senators and Representatives. So many personalities, attitudes, politics. And they come up with all those laws! Doesn't seem to fit in with his epic battle of good versus evil.

Seriously though, are the Democrats going to be able to rebuke Bush or is the majority they hold just not large enough?


I don't think the majority is large enough to force the issue à la the Clinton impeachment.



Our only hope is that enough Republican congresspeople recognize that it's in their own best interests to preserve their oversight power over the executive branch, and will come on board for whatever action is necessary.


And, unless I'm woefully misinformed on the issue, the Committees are trying to discover evidence of whether any criminal activity, particularly obstruction of justice, occurred in the administration's actions.




But isn't obstructing the discovery of evidence in and of itself obstruction of justice?

TheRedBaron

TheRedBaron

Cambridge, MA
November 2003

JUL 10, 2007 10:28 PM

Mockingbird said:
This country worries me. :/



If we want action we need to show power. No one is going to bring about change by depending on the boys in Washington. If we want things to change, we need to get the country pissed off enough to prove we mean business.

OctEgon said:
I seriously can't wait until this asshole is gone.



I'd elect him for another term if only it meant we could bring justice to his massive corruption. I can't stand the though of him getting away with it.

photoline

photoline

Edmonton, AB
January 2005

JUL 10, 2007 10:49 PM

Wazzat? Huh? Pardon?

Cassiel

Cassiel

Aurora, CO
September 2004

JUL 10, 2007 11:01 PM

whatever

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

JUL 10, 2007 11:28 PM

RudieCantFail said:

Zarth said:

KUNGFOO said:
Maybe Bush rejects congressional oversight because there so many people in Congress. All those Senators and Representatives. So many personalities, attitudes, politics. And they come up with all those laws! Doesn't seem to fit in with his epic battle of good versus evil.

Seriously though, are the Democrats going to be able to rebuke Bush or is the majority they hold just not large enough?


I don't think the majority is large enough to force the issue à la the Clinton impeachment.



Our only hope is that enough Republican congresspeople recognize that it's in their own best interests to preserve their oversight power over the executive branch, and will come on board for whatever action is necessary.



Well, yeah, the impeachment debate is a bit of a waste of time in the current political climate. The majority is too thin and while the Republicans talk about responsibility and accountability quite a bit, their actions show the majority is still loyal to the White House, so there's no hope there.

This idea of inherent contempt is interesting though.

Imagine the situation did come to the Sergeant at Arms and the Capitol Police being physically barred from the White House? Is there any thought to the idea that the Democrats could muster the political courage against the right-wing media spin the likes of Fox News would put on that?

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

JUL 11, 2007 04:50 AM

bald_eagle said:
The Democrats have enough of a majority to open impeachment hearings. Then the relevance of matters to be subpoenaed would be much clearer.



Precisely.

I am having less and less patience with this "We can't win so we shouldn't try" attitude.

The public know that Bush has lied and cheated and abused his office, when they see all of the Repuglies marching in lock step behind their failed President and hiding and defending his incompetence and unconstitutional activities, then the truth - or at least a non-Bush sanctioned version of it - will out.

Impeachment lies on the moral high ground. We should go there.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

JUL 11, 2007 05:08 AM

NickFaust said:
Impeachment lies on the moral high ground. We should go there.



I agree. Bush, Cheney et al. should be behind bars.

But I just don't see it happening in this current political climate, July 2007. We can't even get the fuck out of Iraq. America voted the Republicans out of Congress because of Iraq and then the Democrats let Bush send more in!

How do the Democrats get the political capital to impeach? Do we need more patience here?

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JUL 11, 2007 05:25 AM

RudieCantFail said:

And, unless I'm woefully misinformed on the issue, the Committees are trying to discover evidence of whether any criminal activity, particularly obstruction of justice, occurred in the administration's actions.


But isn't obstructing the discovery of evidence in and of itself obstruction of justice?


Well, I certainly think that Congress has a right to determine whether or not the President has committed any crimes - but it's doubtful whether Messers. Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas, and Kennedy do - at least when a Republican President is the target of the inquiry. I expect they'll say there isn't enough evidence to justify the investigation at all, and use the opportunity to eviscerate the principle of Congressional oversight (though let us recall that it's not as if that principle hasn't been abused, and fairly recently . . .).

But they'll have to do it in a way that will allow them to reverse themselves in three years when a Democrat is sitting in the Oval Office. I'm sure it will be very tricky for them.

The major problem with executive privilege is that most (well, all others but one) Presidents have voluntarily cooperated with Congress in the past, so the doctrine hasn't been tested much. Nobody in the White House even knows whether it will work.

SignalNoise

SignalNoise

USA
February 2004

JUL 11, 2007 07:11 AM

Zarth said:
Well, I certainly think that Congress has a right to determine whether or not the President has committed any crimes - but it's doubtful whether Messers. Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas, and Kennedy do - at least when a Republican President is the target of the inquiry.



They're so scuzzy. I don't have a lot more to say than that.

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