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JUL 06, 2007 09:24 AM
I fail to see how this is news. I would also like to point out just how closed-minded it is to state that everyone who does NOT share your particular vision of how "universal healthcare" is to be adopted is a psycho rightwing nutjob or an idiot.
Personally, I happen to think that if you want Universal healthcare to be truly Universal, as in help the most people possible, then you need to get Government as far away from the Medical industry as possible. I've explained this in another thread and so I wont restate it here.
Michael Moore has lied in every film he's made in the past. Well, not lied per se... simply taken only the facts which support his intellectually myopic viewpoint. To assume he's done differently this time is illogical, but it seems as though everyone is willing to do it because they want to agree with him.
JUL 06, 2007 09:29 AM
This is all fine and good, but when will Fox News report on how the Kyoto Protocol will aid terrorism?!
I'm sick of giving terrorists the extra help they need with emissions testing and smaller vehicles!!!
JUL 06, 2007 09:37 AM
Reading the Post review of the film, I don't see how a jab at his weight or how Hilary is ugly is any different than the way you frame your post; ridiculous sarcasm aimed for a chuckle. The rest seems like a decent counterpoint to the film... Or are you claiming facts like;
In Entertainment Weekly, Moore tacitly admitted that "Sicko" lies about wait times, saying, "Well, OK, let's set up a system where we don't have the Canadian wait." Er, what Canadian wait? "Sicko" says there isn't one."
Check out the Canadian movie "The Barbarian Invasions" (which is, like "Sicko," a fiction film) for a view of how Canadians view their system: agonizing waits, trips across the border to Vermont to get access to modern technology and fetid facilities modeled, seemingly, on an American one - the Confederate field hospital in "Gone With the Wind."
In France in 2003, 15,000 mostly elderly hospital patients died in an August heat wave - because hospitals lack air conditioning and doctors (who, like everyone in France, sometimes go on strike) were on vacation.
are wrong. They could be, I'm asking honestly. I jsut think dismissing half of the viewpoint as "idiotic" is silly. The system needs to be fixed, but there is no golden 'right" system to copy.
And on my point about Moore's practices earning my ire;
Let's not give too much credit to Moore for his gift to the guy running an anti-Moore Web site who was going to be forced to shut it down - because of a health crisis he couldn't afford. When Moore found out, he anonymously sent a $12,000 check, or .0005 percent of the money he was paid to make this movie. An anonymous check is not actually anonymous if you announce it in a movie; then, it becomes simply a bargain method for buying press accounts of you as a nice guy.
and
In the Cuba section of "Sicko," so many guys in white coats scurry around Moore's patients listening to symptoms, peering at X-rays and firing up high-tech medical equipment that the scene might have been co-written by Groucho and Karl Marx. If Fidel himself gets this level of care, it's no wonder the guy has outlasted nine presidents.
I expected Moore to protect himself with a thin coat of disclaimer, just a line to say, "Look, I know Cuba is actually a Caribbean Alcatraz where nobody's gotten a new car since Fredo betrayed Michael, but I'm just using this as an extreme example for ironic purposes." Instead, his irony runs the other way: He plays scare music over an image of Castro and expects you to giggle along. Cuban health care, Moore declares, is among the best in the world. Actually, Cuba is short on everything from clean drinking water to aspirin and on up.
feed into my belief about his practices in making his films.
Again, I may see it online for free sometime to help educate myself about health care more fully, but I had to respond about the flippant response to a contrary review.
JUL 06, 2007 09:47 AM
I didn't realize Rupert Murdoch paid SG members to make comments.
Seriously --- did nobody read the last part of the story?
Sure, FTR rambles for a few paragraphs to tie the point together, but you know...you expect slanderous muckracking from both FTR and the New York Post.
The exciting thing is, we can watch total lunacy from Fox News, too! Ban Health Care! It's just a platform for TERRORISM!!!
(Retraction: It's not really slanderous to say Moore is fat, or to say that Fox News makes shit up based on ideology.)

_kungfoo_
Los Angeles, CA
April 2005
JUL 06, 2007 09:49 AM
Drock1205 said:
In Entertainment Weekly, Moore tacitly admitted that "Sicko" lies about wait times, saying, "Well, OK, let's set up a system where we don't have the Canadian wait." Er, what Canadian wait? "Sicko" says there isn't one."
Check out the Canadian movie "The Barbarian Invasions" (which is, like "Sicko," a fiction film) for a view of how Canadians view their system: agonizing waits, trips across the border to Vermont to get access to modern technology and fetid facilities modeled, seemingly, on an American one - the Confederate field hospital in "Gone With the Wind."
In France in 2003, 15,000 mostly elderly hospital patients died in an August heat wave - because hospitals lack air conditioning and doctors (who, like everyone in France, sometimes go on strike) were on vacation.
are wrong. They could be, I'm asking honestly. I jsut think dismissing half of the viewpoint as "idiotic" is silly. The system needs to be fixed, but there is no golden 'right" system to copy.
And on my point about Moore's practices earning my ire;
Let's not give too much credit to Moore for his gift to the guy running an anti-Moore Web site who was going to be forced to shut it down - because of a health crisis he couldn't afford. When Moore found out, he anonymously sent a $12,000 check, or .0005 percent of the money he was paid to make this movie. An anonymous check is not actually anonymous if you announce it in a movie; then, it becomes simply a bargain method for buying press accounts of you as a nice guy.
and
In the Cuba section of "Sicko," so many guys in white coats scurry around Moore's patients listening to symptoms, peering at X-rays and firing up high-tech medical equipment that the scene might have been co-written by Groucho and Karl Marx. If Fidel himself gets this level of care, it's no wonder the guy has outlasted nine presidents.
I expected Moore to protect himself with a thin coat of disclaimer, just a line to say, "Look, I know Cuba is actually a Caribbean Alcatraz where nobody's gotten a new car since Fredo betrayed Michael, but I'm just using this as an extreme example for ironic purposes." Instead, his irony runs the other way: He plays scare music over an image of Castro and expects you to giggle along. Cuban health care, Moore declares, is among the best in the world. Actually, Cuba is short on everything from clean drinking water to aspirin and on up.
feed into my belief about his practices in making his films.
Again, I may see it online for free sometime to help educate myself about health care more fully, but I had to respond about the flippant response to a contrary review.
If you despise Michael Moore for his supposed inaccuracies and his political agenda, then how the hell can you take the Post or Fox News seriously?
Your hypocrisy is showing.
JUL 06, 2007 09:52 AM
JDPatriot said:
I fail to see how this is news.
Did you ask Fox News the same thing?
JDPatriot said:
Personally, I happen to think that if you want Universal healthcare to be truly Universal, as in help the most people possible, then you need to get Government as far away from the Medical industry as possible.
Great idea. I'll page Doctor Jan Itor right away!

meatpieboy
Korea, D.P.R.
June 2004
JUL 06, 2007 09:59 AM
Wait, so... universal healthcare == bureaucracy == terrorist breeding ground.
A bad enough serious of equalities.
but shit, making that jump to universal healthcare == terrorist breeding ground...
*facepalm*
PS - Drock and Patriot, the article, while it mentions Moore, is not about Moore. It's about Fox asserting that a particular healthcare system facilitates terrorism. With no factual basis whatsoever.
JUL 06, 2007 10:04 AM
KUNGFOO said:
Drock1205 said:
In Entertainment Weekly, Moore tacitly admitted that "Sicko" lies about wait times, saying, "Well, OK, let's set up a system where we don't have the Canadian wait." Er, what Canadian wait? "Sicko" says there isn't one."
Check out the Canadian movie "The Barbarian Invasions" (which is, like "Sicko," a fiction film) for a view of how Canadians view their system: agonizing waits, trips across the border to Vermont to get access to modern technology and fetid facilities modeled, seemingly, on an American one - the Confederate field hospital in "Gone With the Wind."
In France in 2003, 15,000 mostly elderly hospital patients died in an August heat wave - because hospitals lack air conditioning and doctors (who, like everyone in France, sometimes go on strike) were on vacation.
are wrong. They could be, I'm asking honestly. I jsut think dismissing half of the viewpoint as "idiotic" is silly. The system needs to be fixed, but there is no golden 'right" system to copy.
And on my point about Moore's practices earning my ire;
Let's not give too much credit to Moore for his gift to the guy running an anti-Moore Web site who was going to be forced to shut it down - because of a health crisis he couldn't afford. When Moore found out, he anonymously sent a $12,000 check, or .0005 percent of the money he was paid to make this movie. An anonymous check is not actually anonymous if you announce it in a movie; then, it becomes simply a bargain method for buying press accounts of you as a nice guy.
and
In the Cuba section of "Sicko," so many guys in white coats scurry around Moore's patients listening to symptoms, peering at X-rays and firing up high-tech medical equipment that the scene might have been co-written by Groucho and Karl Marx. If Fidel himself gets this level of care, it's no wonder the guy has outlasted nine presidents.
I expected Moore to protect himself with a thin coat of disclaimer, just a line to say, "Look, I know Cuba is actually a Caribbean Alcatraz where nobody's gotten a new car since Fredo betrayed Michael, but I'm just using this as an extreme example for ironic purposes." Instead, his irony runs the other way: He plays scare music over an image of Castro and expects you to giggle along. Cuban health care, Moore declares, is among the best in the world. Actually, Cuba is short on everything from clean drinking water to aspirin and on up.
feed into my belief about his practices in making his films.
Again, I may see it online for free sometime to help educate myself about health care more fully, but I had to respond about the flippant response to a contrary review.
If you despise Michael Moore for his supposed inaccuracies and his political agenda, then how the hell can you take the Post or Fox News seriously?
Your hypocrisy is showing.
Is it impossible to dislike both Moore and the garbage coming out of News Corp.? Because I often agree with the viewpoints he expresses in his films and I still wish Michael Moore would shut the fuck up.

Kristie
Chicago, IL
December 2004
JUL 06, 2007 10:10 AM
Before I even read this, I want to just say that the word twunt is played out.
JUL 06, 2007 10:12 AM
Wait, so... universal healthcare == bureaucracy == terrorist breeding ground.
No.
Universal Healthcare == beauracracy == fucked up system == shortage of doctors == reruiting doctors from other countries like crazy
Not to say that leads to terrorism in itself, but if you combine it with poor screening, you are setting yourself up for trouble
JUL 06, 2007 10:20 AM
We are kind of between a rock and a hard place; you have an immeasurably slow, bulky, reactionary and mostly incompetent group (government beaurocracy) versus an immeasurably greedy, cold-hearted, manipulative and "strickly by the profit" group (insurance companies).
Which to chose...
JUL 06, 2007 10:21 AM
Untimely said:
I didn't realize Rupert Murdoch paid SG members to make comments.
Seriously --- did nobody read the last part of the story?
Sure, FTR rambles for a few paragraphs to tie the point together, but you know...you expect slanderous muckracking from both FTR and the New York Post.
I was thinking the exact same thing. The post has practically nothing to do with Sicko - it's the hilariously obvious attempt to tie terrorism to universal healthcare. But then I guess attacking FTR and Sicko some more is easier than denying that.
JUL 06, 2007 10:23 AM
Can't we all just laught at Fox News like we always do? Wait, people take Fox News seriously, and some of these people have their hand on the button... now I'm terrified.
And am I alone in wishing Michael Moore didn't represent my point of view?
JUL 06, 2007 10:24 AM
m*therfuckers. that's right, we supply free healthcare to everyone, which means we contribute to terrorism.
f*cktards
JUL 06, 2007 10:48 AM
Drock1205 said:
Reading the Post review of the film, I don't see how a jab at his weight or how Hilary is ugly is any different than the way you frame your post; ridiculous sarcasm aimed for a chuckle. The rest seems like a decent counterpoint to the film... Or are you claiming facts like;
How is the one track mind thing going? Are you sitting in your house, pacing and losing your mind over Michael Moore? It seems so. Here is the main difference between me and you: I know Moore is not a NEWS journalist, but rather a FILM MAKER. See the difference? Can you get that through your shockingly thick head lining? There are no standards that require him to make a "fair" film. He is trying to convince people of his idea. So, grow the fuck up.
How you can not make one comment about what Fox NEWS did here and yet take up this much space about what a film maker did is pretty amazing. It makes you seem sort of clownish.
I will now cover you spewing bullshit point by point because I am avoided working. But after his post, know that I am tired of your one track idiocy and will not respond.
In Entertainment Weekly, Moore tacitly admitted that "Sicko" lies about wait times, saying, "Well, OK, let's set up a system where we don't have the Canadian wait." Er, what Canadian wait? "Sicko" says there isn't one."
Done. Moore is not a news source but a man making a point. It's not his job to undermine his point. (I will say that we WAIT here in America too.) My insurance company only allows me to see certain doctors. I just waited a month to see an ear specialist. Moore did not talk to me! Should I be mad?
Check out the Canadian movie "The Barbarian Invasions" (which is, like "Sicko," a fiction film) for a view of how Canadians view their system: agonizing waits, trips across the border to Vermont to get access to modern technology and fetid facilities modeled, seemingly, on an American one - the Confederate field hospital in "Gone With the Wind."
Barbarian Invasions. Saw it. Watched a movie about a man dying and his grown son coming to grips with it. Watched a man die comfortably. Saw no indictment of the health care system- mostly because i HAVE A SOUL and was wrapped up in the son coming to grips with his father's death. - you know the POINT of the fucking movie. As a child, did you watch Bambi and wonder about forest management?
In France in 2003, 15,000 mostly elderly hospital patients died in an August heat wave - because hospitals lack air conditioning and doctors (who, like everyone in France, sometimes go on strike) were on vacation.
Most of Europe does not have air conditioning. Leave the country once in a while, you might learn something. This point has NOTHING to do with healthcare. And it was stolen from a Kurt Loder's article word for word. So now we are dealing with a plagiarist. Thanks for undermining the guy you are holding up.
Let's not give too much credit to Moore for his gift to the guy running an anti-Moore Web site who was going to be forced to shut it down - because of a health crisis he couldn't afford. When Moore found out, he anonymously sent a $12,000 check, or .0005 percent of the money he was paid to make this movie. An anonymous check is not actually anonymous if you announce it in a movie; then, it becomes simply a bargain method for buying press accounts of you as a nice guy.
I didn't realize I gave Moore credit for this anywhere. As a screenwriter I saw it as a brilliant piece of film making. Anyone with a brain would not see it as a wonderful action from Moore, but rather the world's greatest "fuck you." One that was afforded to him by the state of our nations health care. Without our current disaster the guy could have rejected the money. Get it? Not hard to, but with your fucking blinders on you can't see anything apparently.
In the Cuba section of "Sicko," so many guys in white coats scurry around Moore's patients listening to symptoms, peering at X-rays and firing up high-tech medical equipment that the scene might have been co-written by Groucho and Karl Marx. If Fidel himself gets this level of care, it's no wonder the guy has outlasted nine presidents.
I expected Moore to protect himself with a thin coat of disclaimer, just a line to say, "Look, I know Cuba is actually a Caribbean Alcatraz where nobody's gotten a new car since Fredo betrayed Michael, but I'm just using this as an extreme example for ironic purposes." Instead, his irony runs the other way: He plays scare music over an image of Castro and expects you to giggle along. Cuban health care, Moore declares, is among the best in the world. Actually, Cuba is short on everything from clean drinking water to aspirin and on up.
You can say anything you want about Cuba. Fidel is a fucker. But to attack Cuba's healthcare system is to be so blindly ignorant of the facts that it is startling. Did you know you can go to FREE medical school in Cuba? No, you did not. The only requirement Cuba puts on that free medical education is that you then spend a number of years as a doctor in a poor community in the world. You know, taking care of poor sick people. Cuba plans to educate 100,000 doctors over the next ten years and send them to the world's poor. What a bunch of fucking assholes, huh?
Now you know why I did not repond to the blathering nonsense in the Post story. It is full of ignorant bullshit.
Anyway, see the Fox News video? You know, the thing the story is about. You know the actual NEWS SOURCE that is spewing PROPAGANDA....
And, before you start on me. I spew volumes of propaganda. I am not a journalist, but a writer for a titty site.
JUL 06, 2007 11:17 AM
First, i didn't respond to the Fox News part because I am in a law library studying, and cannot play the audio. Additionally, I find most network news incredible biased by their bosses, so I tend to prefer to read things on the internet to supplement my knowledge, even suicide girls.
Which brings me to my second point; did you see when I honestly asked if the points were correct? I was asking politely for your view. Did you not see in all my "one-tracked idiot mind' posts where I stated I knew little about both sides of health care because I have been too poor to afford it for the past 4 years? You know, when i mentioned my very sick mother not getting care? Your personal attacks on me just make you look bad, at least I would hope to people who see me stating that the system is broken and needs to be fixed.
Third, I have posted in other threads here, it just happens you've been posting more Moore lately, and I've responded. I'm sorry if my monthly subscription has a limit on posts on a topic.
Sorry if this wasn't more inflammatory, but i think you pegged my beliefs completely wrong pal.
JUL 06, 2007 11:22 AM
Ravnos said:
KUNGFOO said:
Drock1205 said:
In Entertainment Weekly, Moore tacitly admitted that "Sicko" lies about wait times, saying, "Well, OK, let's set up a system where we don't have the Canadian wait." Er, what Canadian wait? "Sicko" says there isn't one."
Check out the Canadian movie "The Barbarian Invasions" (which is, like "Sicko," a fiction film) for a view of how Canadians view their system: agonizing waits, trips across the border to Vermont to get access to modern technology and fetid facilities modeled, seemingly, on an American one - the Confederate field hospital in "Gone With the Wind."
In France in 2003, 15,000 mostly elderly hospital patients died in an August heat wave - because hospitals lack air conditioning and doctors (who, like everyone in France, sometimes go on strike) were on vacation.
are wrong. They could be, I'm asking honestly. I jsut think dismissing half of the viewpoint as "idiotic" is silly. The system needs to be fixed, but there is no golden 'right" system to copy.
And on my point about Moore's practices earning my ire;
Let's not give too much credit to Moore for his gift to the guy running an anti-Moore Web site who was going to be forced to shut it down - because of a health crisis he couldn't afford. When Moore found out, he anonymously sent a $12,000 check, or .0005 percent of the money he was paid to make this movie. An anonymous check is not actually anonymous if you announce it in a movie; then, it becomes simply a bargain method for buying press accounts of you as a nice guy.
and
In the Cuba section of "Sicko," so many guys in white coats scurry around Moore's patients listening to symptoms, peering at X-rays and firing up high-tech medical equipment that the scene might have been co-written by Groucho and Karl Marx. If Fidel himself gets this level of care, it's no wonder the guy has outlasted nine presidents.
I expected Moore to protect himself with a thin coat of disclaimer, just a line to say, "Look, I know Cuba is actually a Caribbean Alcatraz where nobody's gotten a new car since Fredo betrayed Michael, but I'm just using this as an extreme example for ironic purposes." Instead, his irony runs the other way: He plays scare music over an image of Castro and expects you to giggle along. Cuban health care, Moore declares, is among the best in the world. Actually, Cuba is short on everything from clean drinking water to aspirin and on up.
feed into my belief about his practices in making his films.
Again, I may see it online for free sometime to help educate myself about health care more fully, but I had to respond about the flippant response to a contrary review.
If you despise Michael Moore for his supposed inaccuracies and his political agenda, then how the hell can you take the Post or Fox News seriously?
Your hypocrisy is showing.
Is it impossible to dislike both Moore and the garbage coming out of News Corp.? Because I often agree with the viewpoints he expresses in his films and I still wish Michael Moore would shut the fuck up.
+1
JUL 06, 2007 11:22 AM
You're beliefs are simply anti Moore. This topic was about Fox News coverage. Even without the video you could read the quote of the newscaster. Sorry, I'm not buying it. You have a Moore problem. Now you're hijacking threads to make your point.
JUL 06, 2007 11:28 AM
FearTheReaper said:
You're beliefs are simply anti Moore. This topic was about Fox News coverage. Even without the video you could read the quote of the newscaster. Sorry, I'm not buying it. You have a Moore problem. Now you're hijacking threads to make your point.
That would be true if it didn't open with a review of Moore's movie. It wasn't like this was a post about Bush or women's rights and I threw in "Oh yea, Moore's a shit." I was honestly talking about the review you referenced. The rest of the article is spot on, if Fox News did what you said. couldn't verify myself, so i wasn't going to speak for or against the viewpoint.
JUL 06, 2007 11:30 AM
And PS, the Post isn't news, and no one takes it as such. It's slightly above Weekly World News in the eyes of NYers. And their sports pages suck, unless you have a hardon against A-Rod. ![]()
JUL 06, 2007 11:50 AM
Drock1205 said:
...I tend to prefer to read things on the internet to supplement my knowledge, even suicide girls.
really?
JUL 06, 2007 11:54 AM
KikiBH said:
Before I even read this, I want to just say that the word twunt is played out.
Sorry, some of us don't live in the world of teenagers, where things get "played out."
JUL 06, 2007 11:55 AM
d20 said:
Drock1205 said:
...I tend to prefer to read things on the internet to supplement my knowledge, even suicide girls.
really?
Really really. The path to truth comes from discussion with people, not just listening to views you prefer. Hell, I've already learned more about how fucked up health care is from posts than I could have asking people I know who have always had adequate health care.













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JUL 05, 2007 06:49 PM