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JUL 02, 2007 08:59 PM
Uncognitive said:
Here's a working link to the cited article.
I was really hoping for a definition of a "Dennis Miller Republican".
Actually, that link doesn't work either. For some reason they both put a spurious "%20" in the URL.
This is a link to the source study.
From it, the author defines "Dennis Miller Republican" as:
> Constitute 14% of GOP
> Focused on social issues
> Focused on illegal immigration, they strongly oppose
people gaming the system to get a "free lunch"
>Like "Hawks" they oppose timelines for the war
> Like "Free Marketeers" they oppose expanded
government to solve problems
> More likely to be male
> Disproportionately found in the South and West
>They are more likely to be gun owners
I'm not sure how that equals Dennis Miller - I think Fabrizio's just a fan.
JUL 02, 2007 11:43 PM
JUL 02, 2007 11:49 PM
JUL 03, 2007 12:28 AM
KUNGFOO said:
Heathen_Dave said:
Can anyone show me proof as to whether or not the troop surge is having a positive effect?
Just curious to see if anyone's actually basing anything on facts or just talking out of their asses.
Edit: Also, am I just about the only person left in America who wants to see Iraq stabilize? Sometimes it feels like people are rooting for complete chaos in the region. Sure we fucked up going in there, but don't cheer on failure. 
I think there is some truth that deep down, a lot of people would like to see Iraq fail, just because we want to see more egg on Bush as the face of the right wing. There are definitely the more reactionary types, Rosie O'Donnell springs to mind for one. But we all may be a little bit guilty of that. It sounds pretty human of anybody to point and say, "I told you so". Past providing a sometimes necessary ego check, it isn't a very productive thing to do though.
Regardless of the Bush's regime and the neocons who would love to see Iraq stabilize (at any cost) to affirm their peace through murder agenda, I think it's in every single person's best interest to see Iraq stabilize as soon as possible. The unforeseen consequences of the hate, violence and distrust we are spreading may come back to affect every single person on this Earth in a very negative way.
Agreed, and to me it's always seemed like there are two voices drowning out all opposition.
1) Iraq was a mistake and it's going south, so fuck it.
2) Iraq was an awesome idea and we can win it.
What I want to hear a policy maker say, which I haven't (I can only hope I've just missed it): We were foolish to go in, it was a mistake, it has and will cost us dearly in capital, reputation, and lives, but not doing our all to make good on this mistake will cost the international community more than we can bear.
So maybe that's Bush's legacy: The grand fuckup. I'd much prefer our legacy post-Bush to be the long, arduous clean-up over some great abandonment.
Maybe I'm just crazy.
zarth
Seattle, WA
December 2004
JUL 02, 2007 08:38 PM