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Phantasy

Phantasy

Australia
October 2005

JUN 29, 2007 02:32 AM

This article got me to thinking about Martin Bryant, the guy who murdered 35 people at Port Arthur in Tasmania, Australia in 1996.

Bryant, who has an IQ of 66 and is considered mentally disabled, is currently serving 35 life sentences and has tried to commit suicide six times since being imprisoned. Philip Nitschke, euthanasia advocate and founder of Exit International had this to say about Bryant's treatment.

Locking prisoners like Martin Bryant away is all to do with punishment, and if you punish them forever you are effectively torturing them forever.

People say you should not let that bastard off the hook so lightly. They want to see revenge forever and they want to see that revenge played out in front of them.

But let's be honest about the fact that when we put people in prison forever, it's tantamount to torture. What we're doing to people like Martin Bryant is punishing them forever.

...and I don't know if I feel terribly comfortable with the notion of endless revenge. source



What Bryant did is so horrendous I can barely even comprehend it. If he had killed one of my loved ones I might well be wishing for him to be tortured endlessly too. But, like NickFaust stated in the other thread,

"...society is supposed to serve as a counterweight to my baser instincts, it is not supposed to institutionalize them."

I wholeheartedly agree with that statement.

Bryant can't hurt anybody anymore. He also can never have a normal life. It appears that he suffering greatly and obvious that he wishes to end his life.

In previous attempts to harm himself Bryant swallowed a toothpaste tube, took an overdose of Rohypnol, and tried to choke on bandages. source



Prison is supposed to be about the protection of society, right? Or do I have it all wrong? Is it really about revenge and torture?

"The sole goal of his (Bryant's) imprisonment is punishment and punishment without hope of release is tantamount to torture," Dr Nitschke said.

"As a society we go to great lengths to prevent him from being able to harm himself but in my opinion putting him in a safe stainless steel box with no hope of escape is nothing more than torture.

"As a society we should admit this is what we are doing."

Prison Action Reform spokesman Greg Barns agreed with Dr Nitschke.

"If right to die legislation was introduced, prisoners like any other citizen ought to be able to utilise such legislation.

"I agree with Dr Nitschke that in the case of Martin Bryant his life behind bars amounts to torture because there is no interest in rehabilitating him."
source



Should prisoners that have no hope of release be allowed to end their own lives?

AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

JUN 29, 2007 02:55 AM

I find it weird that the rationalization for death is that a life sentence is torture. However, if the prisoner does want to die, I see no problem with that.

spamtwo

spamtwo

United Kingdom
April 2006

JUN 29, 2007 03:02 AM

I only have questions, becasue as far as I can see there isn't really an answer to this;

Is allowing someone to commit suicide not the same as the death penalty but without the moral dilemmas that brings about?

Is allowing him to do this giving him an easy way out of the punishment for the crimes he commited

What do the families of his victims have to say about it?



reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

JUN 29, 2007 03:13 AM

Phantasy said:
This article got me to thinking about Martin Bryant, the guy who murdered 35 people at Port Arthur in Tasmania, Australia in 1996.

Bryant, who has an IQ of 66 and is considered mentally disabled, is currently serving 35 life sentences and has tried to commit suicide six times since being imprisoned. Philip Nitschke, euthanasia advocate and founder of Exit International had this to say about Bryant's treatment.

Locking prisoners like Martin Bryant away is all to do with punishment, and if you punish them forever you are effectively torturing them forever.

People say you should not let that bastard off the hook so lightly. They want to see revenge forever and they want to see that revenge played out in front of them.

But let's be honest about the fact that when we put people in prison forever, it's tantamount to torture. What we're doing to people like Martin Bryant is punishing them forever.

...and I don't know if I feel terribly comfortable with the notion of endless revenge. source



What Bryant did is so horrendous I can barely even comprehend it. If he had killed one of my loved ones I might well be wishing for him to be tortured endlessly too. But, like NickFaust stated in the other thread,

"...society is supposed to serve as a counterweight to my baser instincts, it is not supposed to institutionalize them."

I wholeheartedly agree with that statement.

Bryant can't hurt anybody anymore. He also can never have a normal life. It appears that he suffering greatly and obvious that he wishes to end his life.

In previous attempts to harm himself Bryant swallowed a toothpaste tube, took an overdose of Rohypnol, and tried to choke on bandages. source



Prison is supposed to be about the protection of society, right? Or do I have it all wrong? Is it really about revenge and torture?

"The sole goal of his (Bryant's) imprisonment is punishment and punishment without hope of release is tantamount to torture," Dr Nitschke said.

"As a society we go to great lengths to prevent him from being able to harm himself but in my opinion putting him in a safe stainless steel box with no hope of escape is nothing more than torture.

"As a society we should admit this is what we are doing."

Prison Action Reform spokesman Greg Barns agreed with Dr Nitschke.

"If right to die legislation was introduced, prisoners like any other citizen ought to be able to utilise such legislation.

"I agree with Dr Nitschke that in the case of Martin Bryant his life behind bars amounts to torture because there is no interest in rehabilitating him."
source



Should prisoners that have no hope of release be allowed to end their own lives?



Anyone who thinks that retribution is not an aspect of penal culture, and frankly, a valid one, hasn't been paying fucking attention.

Yes, it's an indictment of society that Bryant was able to deteriorate to the point that he was able to slaughter dozens, but the solution is to move forward, not make it easy for him to kill himself. He was shrewd enough to plan a byzantine murder scheme, if he, as an individual, wants out, he'll find a way.

_Elichrusos

_Elichrusos

Australia
November 2004

JUN 29, 2007 04:23 AM

He walked around with a gun and shot at everyone he came across. That's not exactly shrewd.

Waldo_Jeffers

Waldo_Jeffers

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

JUN 29, 2007 02:31 PM

I believe that people (ie all adults, not just criminals) have the right to end their own lives and hence, for me it follows that convicted criminals have the right to end their own lives.

teddy__kgb

teddy__kgb

Albuquerque, NM
February 2007

JUL 01, 2007 04:53 PM

deserves a fate worse than death.

jerawyn

jerawyn

USA
December 2003

JUL 02, 2007 10:38 AM

If you can work a machine gun, and kill 35 people, with an IQ of 66, then you can serve a punishment for that crime with the same damn brain.

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

JUL 02, 2007 11:01 AM

_Elichrusos said:
He walked around with a gun and shot at everyone he came across. That's not exactly shrewd.



He made several previous trips to the spot in question, measured various bags carefully to make sure the gun would fit, and killed the owners of the cottage he fled to well in advance of the mass killings later.

Snottlebocket

Snottlebocket

Netherlands
March 2004

JUL 02, 2007 11:17 AM

Why not, give all (long time) prisoners the option to commit suicide. It's their choice and it lightens the load they place on society. It's a self solving problem if I ever saw one.

Keri

Keri

SUICIDEGIRL

Virginia, USA

JUL 02, 2007 11:48 AM

i say whoever wants to kill themselves....have at it.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 02, 2007 11:55 AM

I think that if you really want to die in prison, rather than serve a life term...you can find a way.

I have to believe that a member of the Aryan Brotherhood would happily dispatch you in exchange for a few cigarettes and an extra dessert.


SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUL 02, 2007 04:05 PM

jerawyn said:
If you can work a machine gun, and kill 35 people, with an IQ of 66, then you can serve a punishment for that crime with the same damn brain.



Machineguns are designed to be easy to use. So easy, you don't have to think about it.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUL 02, 2007 04:08 PM

Snottlebocket said:
Why not, give all (long time) prisoners the option to commit suicide. It's their choice and it lightens the load they place on society. It's a self solving problem if I ever saw one.



So long as it's long-term prisoners only, I might well be in favour of that.

And so long as there's a quota. If something's really wanted, people will queue for it.

Charybdus

Charybdus

Lafayette, LA
July 2006

JUL 04, 2007 07:54 PM

The problem I have is the bastard deserves to suffer. It is actually cheaper to jail someone for life than pay for the lawyers to execute them. Let the sack of shit stew in the hoosegow. The families of his victims should be allowed to beat him with a bat daily as far as I am concerned. mad

MessyJessy

MessyJessy

Fort Myers, FL
August 2005

JUL 04, 2007 07:56 PM

_Elichrusos said:
He walked around with a gun and shot at everyone he came across. That's not exactly shrewd.



Obviously you've never been to Australia... tongue

*rimshot*