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artiekgb

artiekgb

Eagleville, PA
OLD SKOOL

JUN 28, 2007 11:58 PM

I am really not much of a writer, so I am just going to post this here, but someone should write a news article about it. Seeing as how it happened a week ago, and hasn't appeared on any mainstream media, we should do our best to flood the web with it.

A group of teenagers were arrested on June, 21 in Hotsprings, AK for skateboarding. The teens were pretty uncooperative with the police officer, they were however completely non-aggressive. Several of these youths, including a 14 year old girl, were brutally choked by the arresting officer (Officer Joey Williams). The kicker is, It was photographed and video taped. I don't even really need to explain it much more, because the video does more than enough.



This whole scene has me so furious that I want to scream. Just in case you feel the same, and want to do speak up a little, here is some contact info.

Hot Springs Arkansas Police Department
Phone: (501) 321-6789
Fax: (501) 321-6708
Chief of Police, Bobby Southard
Email: bsouthard@cityhs.net
641 Malvern Avenue Hot Springs, Arkansas 71901

Mayor - Mike Bush (501) 623-6863


Related stories:
Arkansas Indi Media
Portland Indi Media
Indybay.org

artiekgb

artiekgb

Eagleville, PA
OLD SKOOL

JUN 28, 2007 11:59 PM

Fuck, I can't post a topic without typoing something and making myself look stupid. That would be Hotsprings, AK not AZ

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

JUN 29, 2007 12:18 AM

Is it just me or does that cop sound like Bush?

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JUN 29, 2007 12:28 AM

That really looks terrible. I won't make in-depth comments because I wasn't there...but it really, really looks bad.

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

JUN 29, 2007 12:32 AM

Cash said:
That really looks terrible. I won't make in-depth comments because I wasn't there...but it really, really looks bad.



Agreed. Watching that was disturbing.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

JUN 29, 2007 03:15 AM

Hot Springs, two words and the postal code of Arkansas is AR.

Ff

Ff

I'm lost
August 2006

JUN 29, 2007 03:41 AM

i wonder what caused more of a public safety hazard some kids skating or all the ruckus that cop stirred up? i don't blame them for running that dude was having a breakdown.

jason

jason

USA
August 2002

JUN 29, 2007 03:49 AM

i really don't know what to make of this. i see kids running from the cops (bad move) and interfering with them doing their job (another bad move). i also hear the kids protesting that all they were doing is skateboarding which is coincidentally banned in that area (breaking a law and then protesting when its enforced generally isn't the best way to go about things).

there could be more to it than what is shown on the videotape provided by the oppressed skateboarders. apparently 6 people were arrested including two adults so obviously the whole picture isn't there.

did anyone get hurt?

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

JUN 29, 2007 03:49 AM

Resisting arrest?

"Please, sir, hold on wait."

"Lie down"

"Okay..."

"YOU'RE RESISTING ARREST!"

Arsehole.

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

JUN 29, 2007 03:56 AM

From that second link:


I was an eyewitness to the incident. The skater was skating up and down central. When the officer told him he couldn't skate board he came back with 10 friends and two had cameras. The were whizzing around people at a subsidized living unit. These are disabled People on walkers and motorized carts at the Aristocrat Manor. The skaters were tomenting the officer and were kept saying "why can't we skate?" "Why are you arresting us?" They were staging this for National skateboarders day. A protest where " skaters take over the streets". They ran from him. They kept squirming from his grasp. They would taunt him while he would try to arrest one. When they bumped thier heads it was from trying to squirm away. There is a video from a store front where one jumped on his back. If I had done this I would expect to go to jail and be treated with the disrespect they treated this officer. He is a friendly, helpful and nice police officer. These adults (one is 21 and one is 19) all over 16 years old have outsmarted this cop. He is a good cop and we are getting screwed over by protesters and law breakers.
Please This IS THE TRUTH! I don't know the officer well but I saw all that happened do not buy into their staged video.



Still, you don't grab a teenage girl by the throat.

jason

jason

USA
August 2002

JUN 29, 2007 04:01 AM

Glassmachine said:
Still, you don't grab a teenage girl by the throat.


why not?

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

JUN 29, 2007 04:23 AM

Well... I'll tell you why not - she's unlikely to present a physical threat large enough to warrant that kind of force. Especially when she's just standing there looking at you. If you want to grab her, assuming that you have the right to, try something else other than her breathing apparatus. Otherwise you might look like a big bald-headed bully.

Now, that's just one reason why most people don't grab teenage girls by the throat. I can think of a few more, but what you do on your time is up to you.

jason

jason

USA
August 2002

JUN 29, 2007 04:33 AM

Glassmachine said:
Well... I'll tell you why not - she's unlikely to present a physical threat large enough to warrant that kind of force. Especially when she's just standing there looking at you. If you want to grab her, assuming that you have the right to, try something else other than her breathing apparatus. Otherwise you might look like a big bald-headed bully.


she wasn't just standing there looking at him. she got way too close while he was dealing with someone else so he told her to sit down. first she said "no", and then she bolted. when he apprehended her, yet another person came at him so he was tangling with two people at once.

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

JUN 29, 2007 04:34 AM

Oh well in that case grabbing a teenage girl by the throat is fine. Textbook.

jason

jason

USA
August 2002

JUN 29, 2007 04:38 AM

Glassmachine said:
Oh well in that case grabbing a teenage girl by the throat is fine. Textbook.


looked like a headlock to me.

do you know that they let teenage girls into the military these days?

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

JUN 29, 2007 04:57 AM

I'd be more worried about guys like him in the military.

punk

punk

Phoenix, AZ
January 2004

JUN 29, 2007 05:45 AM

Sounds like another case of "I wasn't there and didn't see what happened beforehand, so I cannot judge the conduct of the police officer."

Especially considering the other eyewitness account who claims the skateboarders were tormenting the police officer prior to the video.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

JUN 29, 2007 06:12 AM

punk said:
Sounds like another case of "I wasn't there and didn't see what happened beforehand, so I cannot judge the conduct of the police officer."

Especially considering the other eyewitness account who claims the skateboarders were tormenting the police officer prior to the video.



I find it difficult to believe a group of kids could "torment" a police officer. "Annoy", I'll buy.

artiekgb

artiekgb

Eagleville, PA
OLD SKOOL

JUN 29, 2007 06:36 AM

jason said:

Glassmachine said:
Oh well in that case grabbing a teenage girl by the throat is fine. Textbook.


looked like a headlock to me.

do you know that they let teenage girls into the military these days?



Did you even watch the video? Because all the arguments you are making really sound like you didn't. These kids were in no way acting in a manner threatening enough to merrit that kind of force. I am not surprised by your response though, I was just expecting it to come from a guy in a uniform. Blame the victim. Thanks for being part of the problem.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUN 29, 2007 07:07 AM

Those kids learned a valuable lesson about respecting law enforcement officers that day.
The cop was a jerk, but the kids did pretty much every wrong thing you could possibly pull out of the text book. I bet next time they handle it a bit differently.

starbuck42

starbuck42

I'm lost
February 2007

JUN 29, 2007 07:11 AM

reprobate said:
Hot Springs, two words and the postal code of Arkansas is AR.


No one ever gets this right. Sheesh.

Drock1205

Drock1205

Merrick, NY
June 2007

JUN 29, 2007 08:50 AM

I'll preface this with I am in clas without sound, so this is on pure sight alone.

The lesson here is listen to the officers when you break the law. It isn't like he pulled out a baton and was beating them; its looks like he was trying his best to control a situation where kids had the intent to provoke him; they followed him, ran from him, squirmed from his grasp. Adding the fact they were doing this in front of a center with disabled people, it reeks of "teenage antics," rather than polite civil disobedience, especially if they ever touched the officer. Hell, the officer even let the camera settle down nicely and didn't turn it off; I would think if he was out of control he might "accidentally" break it or ruin the data.

Getting all worked up about this is what causes people to get desensitized to real "out of control" cops. I have no sympathy when a cop is enforcing the law and you chose not to listen because you think you are above the law; that is what gets cops, criminals and innocent people hurt more than anything.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

JUN 29, 2007 09:06 AM

Drock1205 said:
I'll preface this with I am in clas without sound, so this is on pure sight alone.

The lesson here is listen to the officers when you break the law. It isn't like he pulled out a baton and was beating them; its looks like he was trying his best to control a situation where kids had the intent to provoke him; they followed him, ran from him, squirmed from his grasp. Adding the fact they were doing this in front of a center with disabled people, it reeks of "teenage antics," rather than polite civil disobedience, especially if they ever touched the officer. Hell, the officer even let the camera settle down nicely and didn't turn it off; I would think if he was out of control he might "accidentally" break it or ruin the data.

Getting all worked up about this is what causes people to get desensitized to real "out of control" cops. I have no sympathy when a cop is enforcing the law and you chose not to listen because you think you are above the law; that is what gets cops, criminals and innocent people hurt more than anything.



What law, the no skateboarding on broad sidewalks and plazas in the heart of downtown law? That's the Arlington across the street in the footage, this isn't some quite suburban lane with Grandpa Simpson sitting on a rocking chair. That's the foot of bathouse row, its crawling with tourists an bikes and duck boats and occasionally horses. Perhaps the kids wouldn't have been taunting him if he wasn't trying to "enforce" something idiotic.

Drock1205

Drock1205

Merrick, NY
June 2007

JUN 29, 2007 09:13 AM

reprobate said:

Drock1205 said:
I'll preface this with I am in clas without sound, so this is on pure sight alone.

The lesson here is listen to the officers when you break the law. It isn't like he pulled out a baton and was beating them; its looks like he was trying his best to control a situation where kids had the intent to provoke him; they followed him, ran from him, squirmed from his grasp. Adding the fact they were doing this in front of a center with disabled people, it reeks of "teenage antics," rather than polite civil disobedience, especially if they ever touched the officer. Hell, the officer even let the camera settle down nicely and didn't turn it off; I would think if he was out of control he might "accidentally" break it or ruin the data.

Getting all worked up about this is what causes people to get desensitized to real "out of control" cops. I have no sympathy when a cop is enforcing the law and you chose not to listen because you think you are above the law; that is what gets cops, criminals and innocent people hurt more than anything.



What law, the no skateboarding on broad sidewalks and plazas in the heart of downtown law? That's the Arlington across the street in the footage, this isn't some quite suburban lane with Grandpa Simpson sitting on a rocking chair. That's the foot of bathouse row, its crawling with tourists an bikes and duck boats and occasionally horses. Perhaps the kids wouldn't have been taunting him if he wasn't trying to "enforce" something idiotic.



If that is the law,m its the law. If the place is crawling with people, think that is the best place for people to be skateboarding? Who is liable if they hit someone and knock them down?

We can't pick and chose which laws we feel are "worthy" of being followed. If you want to change the law, form a protest where you sit or picket, not intentionally break the law and taunt the officer.

And don't justify their actions because the law was stupid; if I think it's stupid that I'm not allowed the play grab ass with strangers, does that make me well within my rights to act out agaisnt offers trying to stop me?

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

JUN 29, 2007 09:16 AM

Drock1205 said:

reprobate said:

Drock1205 said:
I'll preface this with I am in clas without sound, so this is on pure sight alone.

The lesson here is listen to the officers when you break the law. It isn't like he pulled out a baton and was beating them; its looks like he was trying his best to control a situation where kids had the intent to provoke him; they followed him, ran from him, squirmed from his grasp. Adding the fact they were doing this in front of a center with disabled people, it reeks of "teenage antics," rather than polite civil disobedience, especially if they ever touched the officer. Hell, the officer even let the camera settle down nicely and didn't turn it off; I would think if he was out of control he might "accidentally" break it or ruin the data.

Getting all worked up about this is what causes people to get desensitized to real "out of control" cops. I have no sympathy when a cop is enforcing the law and you chose not to listen because you think you are above the law; that is what gets cops, criminals and innocent people hurt more than anything.



What law, the no skateboarding on broad sidewalks and plazas in the heart of downtown law? That's the Arlington across the street in the footage, this isn't some quite suburban lane with Grandpa Simpson sitting on a rocking chair. That's the foot of bathouse row, its crawling with tourists an bikes and duck boats and occasionally horses. Perhaps the kids wouldn't have been taunting him if he wasn't trying to "enforce" something idiotic.



If that is the law,m its the law. If the place is crawling with people, think that is the best place for people to be skateboarding? Who is liable if they hit someone and knock them down?

We can't pick and chose which laws we feel are "worthy" of being followed. If you want to change the law, form a protest where you sit or picket, not intentionally break the law and taunt the officer.

And don't justify their actions because the law was stupid; if I think it's stupid that I'm not allowed the play grab ass with strangers, does that make me well within my rights to act out agaisnt offers trying to stop me?



You're assuming of course that there were in fact any laws being broken and it's not merely a case of a small town cop being an officious prick.

But hey, thanks for the civics lesson anyway. Me, I think that rather than speculate as to what I didn't see, I'll stick with what I did see which is a 250 pound cop pinning a kid to the ground by his throat.

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