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wreckedandruined

wreckedandruined

Canada
April 2006

JUN 27, 2007 08:54 AM

I personally lack the eloquence and time to do any justice to this womans story so here is the link and the story.



The RCMP are investigating the case of a Nova Scotia man who took his wife to an assisted-suicide clinic in Switzerland where she died.

Eric MacDonald has said the situation has made him question his faith and his country's laws.Eric MacDonald has said the situation has made him question his faith and his country's laws.
(CBC)

The police force said Tuesday it has opened a file into the case. It intends to question Eric MacDonald about his wife's death on June 8, and will then decide if it can lay charges.

Elizabeth MacDonald, 38, had a severe form of multiple sclerosis that left her in a wheelchair, unable to move. As well, her throat was beginning to paralyze.

Her husband said she feared becoming trapped in her own body and had tried to commit suicide herself a year ago.

"I wish to heavens she was still here, but I couldn't ask her to go on suffering that way," MacDonald told CBC News at his home in Windsor, northwest of Halifax.
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MacDonald said Elizabeth asked him to take her to a clinic in Zurich that helps patients who want to die, but who are too ill to kill themselves. Swiss law allows assisted suicide, provided it's done for unselfish reasons.

Staff at the clinic gave Elizabeth a glass of barbiturates and told his wife she would die if she drank it, said MacDonald.

Elizabeth MacDonald, shown in an undated photo, had a severe form of multiple sclerosis that left her in a wheelchair, unable to move.Elizabeth MacDonald, shown in an undated photo, had a severe form of multiple sclerosis that left her in a wheelchair, unable to move.
(CBC)

"She said, 'I understand that,'" MacDonald recalled. "And she drank it down without any hesitations, just like that.

"I got on the bed with her and cradled her in my arms until she died."

The RCMP was informed of the case by Canada's Euthanasia Prevention Council, which lobbies against assisted suicide.

"If she was assisted or aided in that process by members here in Canada, that is contrary to the Criminal Code," Hugh Scher of the council told CBC News in Toronto. "So that is something we ought to understand better."

Under Canadian law, assisting in a suicide is illegal and can be punished with up to 14 years in jail.

Nova Scotia RCMP Const. Les Kakonyi said this is not a typical investigation and officers will be talking with Crown prosecutors to determine what, if any, charges may be laid.

"We have to be able to establish whether there was any wrongdoing in directing her to seek out this clinic," Kakonyi said.
Wife's letter shows frustration in living

Robert Currie, who teaches law at Halifax's Dalhousie University, said a conviction in MacDonald's case would be unlikely.

"Certainly accompanying someone to the situation and being with them at the time would not amount to the commission of an offence of aiding and abetting suicide," Currie said.

MacDonald, a retired Anglican priest, said the situation has made him question his faith and his country's laws.

"I'm angry that Canadian law prevents people from terminating their lives when it becomes obvious the remainder of their life is going to be intolerable," he said.

His wife was equally frustrated by the law, he said, producing a letter she wrote before she died.

"It is intolerable and unacceptable that I cannot be assisted to die here in Canada, in my own home, in my own bed, surrounded by those I love," the letter reads.



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Oninotaki

oninotaki

Ypsilanti, MI
March 2003

JUN 27, 2007 11:28 AM

Having the right to choose when I die is something I am starting to feel very strongly about, and it is accounts like this that make me feel that this will become a very important issue to many over the next 50 years.

emptymouthpiece

emptymouthpiece

I'm lost
May 2005

JUN 27, 2007 12:01 PM

Not in America though, oh dear, oh my...

No matter how bad off you are, even if you are in constant biting agony or stuck in a bed with tubes running in and out of every orifice, not even if you signed a paper saying you want to die, not even if your family wants you gone...because even if you are poor you are a breathing pay check to some filthy soulless cock sucker with an M.D. behind his name...god bless America.

ThrottleBitch

ThrottleBitch

Emeryville, CA
November 2005

JUN 27, 2007 12:35 PM

The problem with the advances in medical technology is that science can keep a good portion of out physical bodies alive longer. Of course it costs alot of money to keep someone alive who can no longer physically care for themselves. So all that money goes back into the medical community for keeping someone alive who no longer wishes to be. If we allowed people to have the right to legally take their own lives how would the medical industry make money off of them?

scorp17yh

scorp17yh

Brookings, OR
November 2004

JUN 27, 2007 01:30 PM

Emptymouthpiece said:
Not in America though, oh dear, oh my...

No matter how bad off you are, even if you are in constant biting agony or stuck in a bed with tubes running in and out of every orifice, not even if you signed a paper saying you want to die, not even if your family wants you gone...because even if you are poor you are a breathing pay check to some filthy soulless cock sucker with an M.D. behind his name...god bless America.



Unless of course you happen to live in Oregon

Mindbinder

Mindbinder

Medford, OR
May 2007

JUN 28, 2007 01:26 PM

For the people here who support assisted suicide, If you could change the laws today, where would you draw the line? Mentally ill, severely depressed, maybe just bored with life, maybe an age regulation? I was just curious. Should anyone who feels like dying have the right to be assisted in the act? Should it be purely based on suffering and if so who gets to gauge what "enough" suffering is? Do physical and mental suffering run parallel? Should the Hippocratic Oath be amended? These are just some questions that always pop into my head when this topic is brought up, so I thought I'd put them out there?.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUN 28, 2007 02:44 PM

Mindbinder said:
For the people here who support assisted suicide, If you could change the laws today, where would you draw the line? Mentally ill, severely depressed, maybe just bored with life, maybe an age regulation? I was just curious. Should anyone who feels like dying have the right to be assisted in the act? Should it be purely based on suffering and if so who gets to gauge what "enough" suffering is? Do physical and mental suffering run parallel? Should the Hippocratic Oath be amended? These are just some questions that always pop into my head when this topic is brought up, so I thought I'd put them out there?.



Good questions (though the Hippocratic Oath is no longer current, IIUC).

Should anyone who feels like dying have the right to be assisted in the act?

No; if you're able-bodied, there are always ways. But if you're bedridden?

Should it be purely based on suffering and if so who gets to gauge what "enough" suffering is?


The sufferer, perhaps? It would seem reasonable.

Do physical and mental suffering run parallel?


Suffering is something that happens to a person via their mental process. The person's suffering is mediated via their mind; that (the mind) is what we view as the person. (If you doubt this, ask what you know about me. Nothing physical, for sure. I could be Stephen Hawking, right?)

Finch

Finch

SUICIDEGIRL

Thailand

JUN 29, 2007 06:20 AM

bald_eagle said:

Assistance is a thornier issue. I agree with SockPuppet, that the able-bodied shouldn't burden someone else to do what they want done.

...

By restricting it to cases where the person is sufficiently disabled to need assistance, a lot of the issue about mental/physical suffering resolves itself.



but just because somebody might be able-bodied enough to kill themselves doesn't necessarily mean that they would have the means to do so, unless they want to do something relatively violent.

would not a doctor who is willing to prescribe a lethal dose of a medication with instructions on how to take it also be considered assisting? the word is not limited to simply someone who has to do some sort of physical act in order to help someone die.

daggx

daggx

North York, ON
December 2002

JUL 04, 2007 01:01 PM

It looks like the RCMP have decided not to file charges in this case.

No charges in assisted suicide case


The RCMP has cleared a retired Anglican minister in Nova Scotia of any wrongdoing in his wife's suicide death in Switzerland.



The authorities have concluded that just because Eric MacDonald accompanied his wife to Switzerland does not mean that he actively assisted in her suicide

"There was no one that actively participated in getting her to the clinic in Switzerland or were instrumental in orchestrating that whole thing," Const. Les Kakonyi said Tuesday.
"It would appear that this was done through her insistence and primarily through her own wishes."

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

JUL 04, 2007 03:06 PM

Which, while helpfully raising the bar substantially on what kind of action could be defined as "unlawful assistance" in a suicide, does nothing to address the basic question. Should it be lawful to actively assist someone who requires assistance, to make that choice, and end their own life?

If not, why not?

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

JUL 04, 2007 04:26 PM

True, and I agree with your earlier statement that it can certainly be a rational choice. It first has to be accepted by "the law" that choosing to end your own life doesn't automatically define you as incompetent. Only then can it be determined that you have the legal right to make the choice. And only then, that someone else has the right to help you.

Although there are numerous examples of people having the legal right to make choices that are render them incompetent - so maybe that's not the right way to put it ...
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