British gamers looking to get their virtual manslaughter on (again) have been given a short, sharp shock by the British Board of Film Classification, which announced that it is banning the upcoming Rockstar game Manhunt 2, claiming that it could cause unjustifiable harm if sold in the UK.
Apparently, David Cooke, the director of the BBFC, really, really doesnt like this game:
Manhunt 2 is distinguishable from recent high-end video games by its unremitting bleakness and callousness of tone in an overall game context which constantly encourages visceral killing with exceptionally little alleviation or distancing
There is sustained and cumulative casual sadism in the way in which these killings are committed, and encouraged
But Dave, the BBFC allowed the first Manhunt to be sold with an 18+ certificate, so whats up with that?
The game's unrelenting focus on stalking and brutal slaying and the sheer lack of alternative pleasures on offer to the gamer, together with the different overall narrative context, contribute towards differentiating this submission from the original Manhunt game.
Uh, well then why dont you just ask Rockstar to cut out the really nasty bits, or pull a Super Nintendo and make the blood look like sweat or something?
Where possible we try to consider cuts or, in the case of games, modifications which remove the material which contravenes the board's published guidelines. In the case of Manhunt 2, this has not been possible.
One thing that might have stacked the deck against Manhunt 2 is that the first Manhunt was part of a UK media frenzy surrounding a real life murder in 2004. Even the revelation that it was the victim and not the murderer who owned the game could not stop calls for the first Manhunt to be banned.
All is not lost for British fans of cumulative casual sadism in electronic game form, since Rockstar has six weeks to appeal the BBFCs ruling. The BBFCs 1997 ban on the now-kinda quaint-in-comparison Carmageddon was overturned on appeal.
Maybe Rockstar can add a scene or two that takes place in a historic British cathedral, since apparently Tony Blair just loves that kinda thing.
Manhunt 2 will (theoretically) be available for the PS2 and the Nintendo Wii on July 10th.
Violent video game = no possible influence on behaviour
Thin women in magazines (plus lady flaps in pr0n) = anorexia epidemic and women rushing to have their flaps sheared?
With the apparent rise of youth crime and the inability of parents to do anything about it, I guess this isn't a surprise. I can see it now, kids wearing hoodies (with the hoods up), ASBOs pinned to their chests like medals, playing illegal copies of Manhunt 2 and saying they're going to do this specific move to that specific guy in Real Life! Oh, the humanity!
There should never be a need to ban a video game. Parents should keep a better watch on the crap they let their kids play, and stop blaming it on the "evil" video game companies. This is why I am glad I live in a country that allows freedom, whether you want to be a religious fanatic or a grumpy cynic. God bless America, see aren't you glad we left that crappy island.
Banning video games is stupid. Most of the time there is a cry for a game to be banned, the reasons stated turn out to be false. I always found that so hilarious but so fitting in regards to censorship.
aldushuxley said:
This is why I am glad I live in a country that allows freedom, whether you want to be a religious fanatic or a grumpy cynic. God bless America, see aren't you glad we left that crappy island.
There are plenty of things I can't do in your country that I can do freely in others. It's a matter of perspective. I actually feel a lot more free in most other countries, though I'm sure many Americans (perhaps most, in fact) would feel the opposite. People have different things they want to be allowed to do or prevented from doing.
ardour said:
Banning video games is stupid. Most of the time there is a cry for a game to be banned, the reasons stated turn out to be false. I always found that so hilarious but so fitting in regards to censorship.
aldushuxley said:
This is why I am glad I live in a country that allows freedom, whether you want to be a religious fanatic or a grumpy cynic. God bless America, see aren't you glad we left that crappy island.
There are plenty of things I can't do in your country that I can do freely in others. It's a matter of perspective. I actually feel a lot more free in most other countries, though I'm sure many Americans (perhaps most, in fact) would feel the opposite. People have different things they want to be allowed to do or prevented from doing.
i'm not disagreeing with you, im just wondering what? I spent soem time living outside of the us, and agree.
aldushuxley said:
This is why I am glad I live in a country that allows freedom, whether you want to be a religious fanatic or a grumpy cynic. God bless America, see aren't you glad we left that crappy island.
Dude, are you serious? What have the bible beating retards NOT tried to censor here? We have had debates, complaints, congressional hearings and attempted bannings on everything from so called "profane" music like Rock & Roll and Rap to supposed extreme movie violence or sexual content.
America isn't exactly the land of the free. We have bans, laws and regulations over all sorts of things that make no sense at all (or are complete bullshit all together). I am honestly tired of this zealot-like repetition of "well hey, hehuck we is the land of the free". It only gets to STAY the land of the free if you read past the rhetoric and focus on the facts that state that we as a country still have a lot to FIX, and even more to LEARN from the countries and cultures around us.
So dont shit on the Brits.
I do admit though, that this is a step backwards for the Brits in my opinion.
Look, violence is going to surround us for as long as the human race exists. I mean, even the most peaceful and helpful societies can fall into violent patterns or actions. If you are a student of history you'll see that even though with the modern news printing out statistics stating how violent the world is, we have improved much since the... lets say middle ages. Violence might SEEM like its at a high point, but I dont see bands of marauding bandits roving around the countryside killing villages of people for no reason. I dont see Vikings raiding parties killing shore-side communities.
Dont blame the video games for violence, look towards shitty parenting. Look at the idea that parents let their kids sit there and play video games of this nature for days at a time instead of engaging them in conversation.
Maybe the world would be a better place if everyones' folks would take an active, positive role in their kids lives instead of leaving the teaching to games and TV.
Well minus the mormons. Stop breeding. HEHEHE, I'm sorry I couldn't resist.
dem_z said:
Violent video game = no possible influence on behaviour
Thin women in magazines (plus lady flaps in pr0n) = anorexia epidemic and women rushing to have their flaps sheared?
dem_z said:
Violent video game = no possible influence on behaviour
Thin women everywhere in society (plus lady flaps in pr0n) = anorexia epidemic and women rushing to have their flaps sheared?
Consider for one moment that in Manhunt 2 you can, Wii remote and nunchuk in hands, use a pair of pliers to clamp onto an enemy's testicles and literally tear them from his body in a bloody display; and if that weren't enough, you'll take one of the poor victim's vertebrae along with his manhood. Or, if you'd prefer, you can use a saw blade and cut upward into a foe's groin and buttocks, motioning forward and backward with the Wii remote as you go.
It was also given an Adults Only rating here in the States this morning.
With consoles creeping up into the $600 range, individual games floating around $60, and the "HD Era" requiring a rig in the what - $2000 vicinity, between a 42" LCD and 6.1 surround speakers? - people are still considering video games to be the domain of children?
And don't talk to me about the Wii being for kids. The console just got a remake of RE4 and Mortal Kombat. Surf's Up and Hostel 2 play in the same multiplex and nobody bitches. Hustler's sold on the same rack as Teen Beat. I've given up trying to sort it out.
I've said this elsewhere, but I'll say it again - honestly, given the content of the first Manhunt, I would find an AO rating entirely appropriate for both. The problem is that retailers mostly don't stock AO-rated games. And I can't support it essentially being banned by default.
Uncognitive
Brooklyn, NY
May 2003
JUN 19, 2007 12:47 PM