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evanharos

evanharos

I'm lost
May 2007

JUN 14, 2007 05:11 PM



Thanks to the Patriot Act we’ve become used to the idea that our communications and personal records may be monitored by the US Government. But now the FBI is admitting that they may have been breaking the law while snooping on Americans in their effort to fight terrorism.

The FBI possibly violated the law or its rules more than 1,000 times since 2002 in collecting data about phone calls, e-mails and financial records while investigating terrorism or espionage suspects, FBI officials said on Thursday.


The Feds discovered the violations in an audit of its national security investigations, violations that the FBI initially claimed numbered only a few dozen. Now after a more comprehensive audit it appears Uncle Sam has crossed the line more than 1000 times while searching through the private data of American citizens. With only 10 percent of the audit completed, those numbers are sure to go up. While the FBI says they are enacting new guidelines to help prevent abuses in the future, Civil liberties advocates are raising concerns.

Caroline Fredrickson of the American Civil Liberties Union said the new guidelines were not enough. "Congress must go back to the legislative drawing board and rein in the broad ... authorities expanded by the Patriot Act," she said.

Rep. Edward Markey, a Democrat from Massachusetts, urged Congress to hold oversight hearings to determine whether changes in the law were required to prevent future violations.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a Democrat from New York and chairman of a House Judiciary subcommittee, said: "The new FBI guidelines ... fall far short of protecting the privacy of innocent Americans."


The focus of the investigation centers mainly on so-called “national security letters” documents used to obtain private records without court approval. Luckily, the FBI is assuring us that all the violations were on mistake and their was no intentional criminal misconduct.

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Baton Rouge, LA
January 2006

JUN 15, 2007 12:03 AM

America! Fuck yeah!

JamesCP

JamesCP

I'm lost
June 2007

JUN 15, 2007 12:13 AM

You guys had your chance. Canada'd take you.

Now it's too late.

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

JUN 15, 2007 12:18 AM

Luckily, the FBI is assuring us that all the violations were on mistake and their was no intentional criminal misconduct.



Ten thousand-odd "mistakes"?

Uh huh.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JUN 15, 2007 12:21 AM

Oops.

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

JUN 15, 2007 12:23 AM

I swear... I just tripped and hit the "spy on the public" button. It was an accident really. You have to believe me.

GonzoChaote

GonzoChaote

Vancouver, BC
March 2007

JUN 15, 2007 12:34 AM

FreakPirate said:
I swear... I just tripped and hit the "spy on the public" button. It was an accident really. You have to believe me.



They should stop using the "Easy" button.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

JUN 15, 2007 01:03 AM

GonzoChaote said:

FreakPirate said:
I swear... I just tripped and hit the "spy on the public" button. It was an accident really. You have to believe me.



They should stop using the "Easy" button.



It's labelled "Patriot".

Remj

Remj

Seattle, WA
April 2003

JUN 15, 2007 01:37 AM

I thought Amazon patented the one-click.

boing

boing

United Kingdom
October 2006

JUN 15, 2007 01:43 AM

It was licensed

Blyddyn

Blyddyn

Germany
June 2005

JUN 15, 2007 03:09 AM

But who is the subject of the "Two minute Hate ?"

dru138

dru138

San Jose, CA
September 2004

JUN 15, 2007 03:38 AM

I bet this is just an excuse to tinker with the Patriot Act and add in the stuff they missed the first time.

SnowgodCCR

SnowgodCCR

Derry, NH
November 2006

JUN 15, 2007 06:32 AM

dru138 said:
I bet this is just an excuse to tinker with the Patriot Act and add in the stuff they missed the first time.



:Gasp: are you implying that someone has an agenda??

JamesCP said:
You guys had your chance. Canada'd take you.

Now it's too late.



Fuck that. I lived in canada while going to school. Different problems, same shit.

Nokturn

Nokturn

United Kingdom
April 2006

JUN 15, 2007 06:39 AM

And there was me reading the headline and thinking they were finally going to axe a reality TV show.
Shame.

Nixie

Nixie

United Kingdom
March 2006

JUN 15, 2007 06:58 AM

Nokurn said:
And there was me reading the headline and thinking they were finally going to axe a reality TV show.
Shame.



Same here. frown

aldoushuxley

aldoushuxley

USA
November 2005

JUN 15, 2007 07:03 AM

Well having my self monitored almost twenty four seven I can't understand where all the anger is coming from. If it makes things safer and they document the findings every time they do it, and reasons for spying, more power to them. I can understand that many people fear that this will be abused but I am sure that a lot of people here have been a part of small crimes in the last year, and a guy in big black suit hasn't shown up at your door yet huh. There is always tomorrow though, you never know when they will come by.....

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

JUN 15, 2007 08:47 AM

aldushuxley said:
Well having my self monitored almost twenty four seven I can't understand where all the anger is coming from. If it makes things safer and they document the findings every time they do it, and reasons for spying, more power to them. I can understand that many people fear that this will be abused but I am sure that a lot of people here have been a part of small crimes in the last year, and a guy in big black suit hasn't shown up at your door yet huh. There is always tomorrow though, you never know when they will come by.....



Never mind the fact that there is no proof any of these measures have made the country safer... Or the fact that what they're doing is FUCKING ILLEGAL!!
If you have no problem having your personal life invaded... more power to you. Actually, in that case, I'd like your phone number, address and credit card numbers. You clearly won't mind right?

Adroitbeing

Adroitbeing

I'm lost
September 2003

JUN 15, 2007 09:22 AM

aldushuxley said:
Well having my self monitored almost twenty four seven I can't understand where all the anger is coming from. If it makes things safer and they document the findings every time they do it, and reasons for spying, more power to them. I can understand that many people fear that this will be abused but I am sure that a lot of people here have been a part of small crimes in the last year, and a guy in big black suit hasn't shown up at your door yet huh. There is always tomorrow though, you never know when they will come by.....



I'm confused, and a bit nervous about your willingness to extrapolate your existence under military leadership to all facets of life for all Americans. You repeatedly cite your military experiences as (my words) not that bad, and suggest we would all be satisfied under similar treatment.

I think you're wrong. I grew up a long time ago and no longer require or want 24/7 assisted living. I will wait another 30 years or so before I feel the need for that kind of "help."

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

JUN 15, 2007 03:11 PM

FreakPirate said:

aldushuxley said:
Well having my self monitored almost twenty four seven I can't understand where all the anger is coming from. If it makes things safer and they document the findings every time they do it, and reasons for spying, more power to them. I can understand that many people fear that this will be abused but I am sure that a lot of people here have been a part of small crimes in the last year, and a guy in big black suit hasn't shown up at your door yet huh. There is always tomorrow though, you never know when they will come by.....



Never mind the fact that there is no proof any of these measures have made the country safer... Or the fact that what they're doing is FUCKING ILLEGAL!!
If you have no problem having your personal life invaded... more power to you. Actually, in that case, I'd like your phone number, address and credit card numbers. You clearly won't mind right?



+1

Where is the proof that any of these measures have actually made anyone, anywhere safer?



skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

JUN 15, 2007 09:44 PM

aldushuxley said:
...
I can understand that many people fear that this will be abused but ....



Actually no.

Many people feared, five years ago, that abuses like this would occur - were bound to occur under the Patriot Act. This simply proves their predictions right.

Or did you not understand that the 1000+ instances mentioned themselves constitute abuse? Or do you believe that the black helicopters have to show up and "disappear" those 1000 people for abuse to occur?