Michael Moore has decided to use 9/11 responders as pawns in his latest movie. He is taking sick Ground Zero workers to Cuba in an attempt to show that the US healthcare system is worse than Fidels. The trip is being filmed for his new movie called Sicko, about evil pharmaceutical companies and HMOs.
Apparently Moore is trying to kill two birds with one stone, as the government has done its best to abandon 9/11 workers who have fallen ill due to the toxins at the Ground Zero. Moore is going to show how we let the workers suffer while the healthcare companies get rich. Some 9/11 workers are pissed.
Hes using people that are in a bad situation and thats wrong, thats morally wrong, railed Jeff Endean, a former SWAT commander from Morris County, N.J., who spent a month at Ground Zero and suffers from respiratory problems.
I would rather die in America than go to Cuba, said Joe Picurro, a Toms River, N.J., ironworker approached by the filmmaker.
Okay, thats a little extreme. You might want to rethink your stance.
Moores production company told some of the 9/11 responders that Cuba has developed new techniques for treating lung cancer and respiratory illnesses. For years Cuba has been sending doctors to countries around the world. Its advances in cancer treatment bring in $100 million a year to the island nation.
Some responders feel totally fucked over by Moore. Michael McCormack, a medic, suffers from chronic respiratory illness. He was contacted by Moores production company and filmed an interview.
What he [Moore] wanted to do is shove it up George Ws rear end that 9/11 heroes had to go to a communist country to get adequate health care, said McCormack.
In March, McCormack found out that Moore had gone to Cuba without him. I guess McCormack wasnt sick enough, or not sympathetic enough. Nothing like getting up the hope of a sick man who sacrificed himself to help others and then ditching him without a word.
Its the ultimate betrayal, he said. Youre promised that youre going to be taken care of and then you find out youre not. Hes trying to profiteer off of our suffering.
Michael Moore, doing whatever it takes to make his point.
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moore just pisses me off. the man is doing more harm than good at this point. i'm sure what he is documenting isn't fair, and people are getting screwed, but um....this isn't anything new. exploiting it is even worse.
Somebody in America has to put the truth out there cause u are feed so much bullshit by your fucked up govenment. Fearthebush he is the reaper. Bush no1 terrorist of the world, get off Moores back, wake up, your president is killing innocent women and children everyday.
go and watch loose change and find out who really is behind 9/11
if this makes him a "fat asshole" then what does tht make you...the internet amateur columnist having a cheap dig at one person in your f*cked up country that is actually trying to confront the world's biggest moron GWB. Get a grip you right wing mong
McGregor666 said:
Somebody in America has to put the truth out there cause u are feed so much bullshit by your fucked up govenment. Fearthebush he is the reaper. Bush no1 terrorist of the world, get off Moores back, wake up, your president is killing innocent women and children everyday.
go and watch loose change and find out who really is behind 9/11
You say 'we' are fed so much bullshit and then you go and list one source as proof of 'who is really behind 9/11'... abso-fucking-lutely brilliant, man.
the_bagel said:
if this makes him a "fat asshole" then what does tht make you...the internet amateur columnist having a cheap dig at one person in your f*cked up country that is actually trying to confront the world's biggest moron GWB. Get a grip you right wing mong
Michael Moore IS a complete asshole who, as Avidity has said, is now causing way more harm than good in his attempt to pretend he's 'bringing the truth to light' when all he wants is fame and fortune. Your over-generalization and insult to my 'fucked up country' is pissing me off.
I'm so sick of people quoting that goddamned film, loose change. I've seen it! There's no fucking proof in it! Until you come up with ACTUAL paper evidence of a coverup, keep you goddamn mouths shut!
McGregor666 said:
Somebody in America has to put the truth out there cause u are feed so much bullshit by your fucked up govenment. Fearthebush he is the reaper. Bush no1 terrorist of the world, get off Moores back, wake up, your president is killing innocent women and children everyday.
go and watch loose change and find out who really is behind 9/11
the_bagel said:
if this makes him a "fat asshole" then what does tht make you...the internet amateur columnist having a cheap dig at one person in your f*cked up country that is actually trying to confront the world's biggest moron GWB. Get a grip you right wing mong
One does not have to be a 'right wing mong' (wtf is a mong? I'm assuming it's an insult of some sort) to recognize that Michael Moore is an extremist, alarmist, sensationalist, opportunistic douchebag.
He is not the only person who is standing up to the Bush administration. On the contrary, millions of Americans have been diligently working for the past 7 years to combat all of the Bush administration's fucked up policies.
The problem with Moore is that he actually does more to discredit the American left anti-Bush camp than he does to help it.
McGregor666 said:
Somebody in America has to put the truth out there cause u are feed so much bullshit by your fucked up govenment. Fearthebush he is the reaper. Bush no1 terrorist of the world, get off Moores back, wake up, your president is killing innocent women and children everyday.
go and watch loose change and find out who really is behind 9/11
McGregor666 said:
Somebody in America has to put the truth out there cause u are feed so much bullshit by your fucked up govenment. Fearthebush he is the reaper. Bush no1 terrorist of the world, get off Moores back, wake up, your president is killing innocent women and children everyday.
go and watch loose change and find out who really is behind 9/11
A (Republican) friend of mine made a joke the other day about how Ralph Nader is probably getting kickbacks from the GOP to keep running for President to split the vote on the left. I'd go farther to say that Michael Moore is the best candidate for being a Stealth Conservative out of any pundits today. It's almost the only explanation for how he can continue to act the way he does, and there's an important lesson for "The Left" (if such a thing really exists).
The Bush administration is an unmitigated disaster, this is an opinion held by a great many people. However it's no reason for Democrats or any other left leaning political organization to welcome everyone else of like mind into their bed, because there are some real fucking idiots out there.
Like Moore. He's a dishonest, sleazy propagandist who employs the same "ends justify the means" tactics that he and others accuse Bush of, and by associating with him it only opens yourself up to being dragged down with him in debate. The GOP did this to spectacular success in the last election, despite Kerry studiously ignoring Moore.
The take home lesson here is that you can understand that your President is an asshole waging wars that never should have been started, but this does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that everyone who stands against him is correct in their reasons or are any better. Same with "Loose Change," it's poorly researched bullshit that has been debunked multiple times by the likes of Popular Mechanics.
Finally, posting from Australia telling Americans to "wake up" about their government is the height of irony.
I never needed Moore to tell me the truth about the healthcare system in America. (I mean, I'm sorry but I'm the daughter of a woman who is extremely ill...I know that the healthcare system here is anything but ideal and wish every day that things were different.)
or the truth about 9/11.
Americans aren't stupid. (despite popular belief)
We do know what is happening, I'm so tired of people being obsessed with him and his pursuit of "truth".
I am glad that he wants to make films that mean something...
but I don't think that what he has done here is fair or good by any means.
All I want to say is Moore is showing a different view on things thats happening.
I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with what he talks about in any way.
He's basically giving his view of a situation and stacking it with many facts and figures... BUT not every fact and figure out there proves he is right. So maybe he leaves a few things out here and a number out there. He's allowed to give his opinion. It's up to me and you to sit back and take it all in, from many different sorces and come to conclusions.
its the people who take his word as 100% accurate without checking all the info out there that worry me. They get all bend out of shape becuase Bush or a government keeps things in the dark or does whats best for them and not the masses. They get all upset becuase they feel everyone is following Bush blindly and not questioning what should be questioned.. BUT they are taking Moore at face value and not questioning all his motives.. if he has any.
I just wish people would thinkg it all out and come to more complete conclusions.
(Im Canadian, and to be honest I don't follow politics hardcore. I used Bush just becuase it was the easiest opposition I could think of against those whom seem to follow Moore. If you want to replace Bush with another world leader or action or what not.. thats fine by me)
McGregor666 said:
Somebody in America has to put the truth out there cause u are feed so much bullshit by your fucked up govenment. Fearthebush he is the reaper. Bush no1 terrorist of the world, get off Moores back, wake up, your president is killing innocent women and children everyday.
go and watch loose change and find out who really is behind 9/11
You say 'we' are fed so much bullshit and then you go and list one source as proof of 'who is really behind 9/11'... abso-fucking-lutely brilliant, man.
McGregor666 said:
Somebody in America has to put the truth out there cause u are feed so much bullshit by your fucked up govenment. Fearthebush he is the reaper. Bush no1 terrorist of the world, get off Moores back, wake up, your president is killing innocent women and children everyday.
go and watch loose change and find out who really is behind 9/11
You say 'we' are fed so much bullshit and then you go and list one source as proof of 'who is really behind 9/11'... abso-fucking-lutely brilliant, man.
All the proof is out there as i said go watch loose change, 9/11 in plane site. all the facts are there deside for yourself. where is the evidence that bin ladin had any thing to do with it....its all about the OIL O.I.L. who has the most weapons of mass desruction on the planet USA.
deldavis said:
All I want to say is Moore is showing a different view on things thats happening.
I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with what he talks about in any way.
He's basically giving his view of a situation and stacking it with many facts and figures... BUT not every fact and figure out there proves he is right. So maybe he leaves a few things out here and a number out there. He's allowed to give his opinion. It's up to me and you to sit back and take it all in, from many different sorces and come to conclusions.
its the people who take his word as 100% accurate without checking all the info out there that worry me. They get all bend out of shape becuase Bush or a government keeps things in the dark or does whats best for them and not the masses. They get all upset becuase they feel everyone is following Bush blindly and not questioning what should be questioned.. BUT they are taking Moore at face value and not questioning all his motives.. if he has any.
I just wish people would thinkg it all out and come to more complete conclusions.
(Im Canadian, and to be honest I don't follow politics hardcore. I used Bush just becuase it was the easiest opposition I could think of against those whom seem to follow Moore. If you want to replace Bush with another world leader or action or what not.. thats fine by me)
The real question is, are you okay with him exploiting personal tragedies for cheap political points?
if moore could just get in, make his point, and get out he'd be one of the best documentary filmmakers of his generation, but he always has to push it just a little bit further. he has to go for some bullshit emotional appeal or make the bad guys look totally unreasonably evil. i mean he has the eye for it and he's been dealing with some of the easiest topics out there (i mean come on, how hard is it to make bush look evil?). if he'd just present the facts in an interesting way, he'd be set.
Moore is a fat asshole bastard, and I don't even disagree with him for the most part. He's a god damn dickbag who's only out for himself. It really worries me that anyone in any country thinks we should pay more attention to that bloated sack of crap. God, I really hate that douche.
Mr. Moore lost any respect I held for him when he ambushed Kirk Douglas. It's below loathing to beat down an old man with a declining mental state, regardless of how much of an NRA member he was.
Personally, I happen to think that its the complete LACK of solidarity that is causing all of the problems for the left, not Micheal Moore or any other specific person. Hell, I'm wondering if we'll even have any manner of leadership in '08.
deldavis said:
All I want to say is Moore is showing a different view on things thats happening.
I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with what he talks about in any way.
He's basically giving his view of a situation and stacking it with many facts and figures... BUT not every fact and figure out there proves he is right. So maybe he leaves a few things out here and a number out there. He's allowed to give his opinion. It's up to me and you to sit back and take it all in, from many different sorces and come to conclusions.
its the people who take his word as 100% accurate without checking all the info out there that worry me. They get all bend out of shape becuase Bush or a government keeps things in the dark or does whats best for them and not the masses. They get all upset becuase they feel everyone is following Bush blindly and not questioning what should be questioned.. BUT they are taking Moore at face value and not questioning all his motives.. if he has any.
I just wish people would thinkg it all out and come to more complete conclusions.
(Im Canadian, and to be honest I don't follow politics hardcore. I used Bush just becuase it was the easiest opposition I could think of against those whom seem to follow Moore. If you want to replace Bush with another world leader or action or what not.. thats fine by me)
The real question is, are you okay with him exploiting personal tragedies for cheap political points?
I most certainly am not. I shake my head when I hear people who seem thankful that Moore is fighting the good fight and showing us ALL what we would never have seen without him. I am against his ways of putting his point across. he breaks down the more complex issues into yes and no answers. Sadly not everything is YES and NO. All choices have consequence.
deldavis said:
All I want to say is Moore is showing a different view on things thats happening.
I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with what he talks about in any way.
He's basically giving his view of a situation and stacking it with many facts and figures... BUT not every fact and figure out there proves he is right. So maybe he leaves a few things out here and a number out there. He's allowed to give his opinion. It's up to me and you to sit back and take it all in, from many different sorces and come to conclusions.
its the people who take his word as 100% accurate without checking all the info out there that worry me. They get all bend out of shape becuase Bush or a government keeps things in the dark or does whats best for them and not the masses. They get all upset becuase they feel everyone is following Bush blindly and not questioning what should be questioned.. BUT they are taking Moore at face value and not questioning all his motives.. if he has any.
I just wish people would thinkg it all out and come to more complete conclusions.
(Im Canadian, and to be honest I don't follow politics hardcore. I used Bush just becuase it was the easiest opposition I could think of against those whom seem to follow Moore. If you want to replace Bush with another world leader or action or what not.. thats fine by me)
The real question is, are you okay with him exploiting personal tragedies for cheap political points?
I most certainly am not. I shake my head when I hear people who seem thankful that Moore is fighting the good fight and showing us ALL what we would never have seen without him. I am against his ways of putting his point across. he breaks down the more complex issues into yes and no answers. Sadly not everything is YES and NO. All choices have consequence.
There's always money to be made peddling easy answers to questions that don't have them.
Come on guys, why stress about Moore when u have Bush in power a true dictator, why don't u have a cry about his lies, people are dieing from his actions not moores.
McGregor666 said:
Somebody in America has to put the truth out there cause u are feed so much bullshit by your fucked up govenment. Fearthebush he is the reaper. Bush no1 terrorist of the world, get off Moores back, wake up, your president is killing innocent women and children everyday.
go and watch loose change and find out who really is behind 9/11
You say 'we' are fed so much bullshit and then you go and list one source as proof of 'who is really behind 9/11'... abso-fucking-lutely brilliant, man.
All the proof is out there as i said go watch loose change, 9/11 in plane site. all the facts are there deside for yourself. where is the evidence that bin ladin had any thing to do with it....its all about the OIL O.I.L. who has the most weapons of mass desruction on the planet USA.
Way to make us look bad, dude.
GonzoChaote said:
Finally, posting from Australia telling Americans to "wake up" about their government is the height of irony.
In principle, I disagree. Fuckinell, the Yanks elected Bush twice!
Fool me once, shame on me you
Fool me twice, well ... I shouldn't get fooled again! Right? Right?
That being sai,d McGregor666 did kinda fuck it up.
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APR 15, 2007 11:31 PM