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Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

APR 03, 2007 10:21 AM



Really, even W should have seen this coming. Matthew Dowd, a former top Texas Democrat who jumped onto the Bush bandwagon in 1999 after being disillusioned by the Clinton administration has become, erm… disillusioned by the Bush administration. Dowd had been a member of Bush’s inner circle since he was elected in 2000. He was famously one of the primary architects of the campaign to paint Senator John Kerry as a flip-flopper. However, Dowd has decided to wake up and throw Georgie under the bus in an interview with the New York Times. (login: sgnews, pass: sgnews)

Christ, Matthew! First the Dems and then Bush? Make up your fucking mind already!

In a wide-ranging interview here, Mr. Dowd called for a withdrawal from Iraq and expressed his disappointment in Mr. Bush’s leadership.

He criticized the president as failing to call the nation to a shared sense of sacrifice at a time of war, failing to reach across the political divide to build consensus and ignoring the will of the people on Iraq. He said he believed the president had not moved aggressively enough to hold anyone accountable for the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, and that Mr. Bush still approached governing with a “my way or the highway” mentality reinforced by a shrinking circle of trusted aides.

“I really like him, which is probably why I’m so disappointed in things,” he said. He added, “I think he’s become more, in my view, secluded and bubbled in.”


He’s become secluded and bubbled in? BECOME!? Where the fuck have you been the last seven years, dude? How could it have possibly taken you so long to piece this together?

“It’s almost like you fall in love,” he said. “I was frustrated about Washington, the inability for people to get stuff done and bridge divides. And this guy’s personality — he cared about education and taking a different stand on immigration.”
…
“When you fall in love like that,” he said, “and then you notice some things that don’t exactly go the way you thought, what do you do? Like in a relationship, you say ‘No no, no, it’ll be different.’ ”


How romantic. OK, so now that you’ve woken up from your insane delusion, why come out now? What are you hoping to achieve?

In the last several years, as he has gradually broken his ties with the Bush camp, one of Mr. Dowd’s premature twin daughters died, he was divorced, and he watched his oldest son prepare for deployment to Iraq as an Army intelligence specialist fluent in Arabic. Mr. Dowd said he had become so disillusioned with the war that he had considered joining street demonstrations against it, but that his continued personal affection for the president had kept him from joining protests whose anti-Bush fervor is so central.

Mr. Dowd, 45, said he hoped in part that by coming forward he would be able to get a message through to a presidential inner sanctum that he views as increasingly isolated. But, he said, he holds out no great hope. He acknowledges that he has not had a conversation with the president.


Well, kudos to you, Mr. Dowd, for coming to your senses. You’ve realized what 60% of us have known for a long while now. Thanks for catching up.

On a more serious note, what Dowd is doing is admirable, if a bit tardy for my tastes. If nothing else, it takes guts to speak your mind knowing that it will not only mean your job but it will also cement yourself as completely unemployable by either party. And here’s to hoping he does get a chance to have that conversation with the president, though we all know it won’t help. More broadly, Dowd’s defection and subsequent back-stabbing of Captain Mission Accomplished is evidence of a wider trend: even the rats are abandoning ship.

Take heart, kids. We might make it out of this in one piece.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

APR 03, 2007 02:19 PM

Only one question to be asked:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
Why does Matthew Dowd, Flip-Flopper Extraordinaire, hate America?

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

APR 03, 2007 02:21 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:
Only one question to be asked:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
Why does Matthew Dowd, Flip-Flopper Extraordinaire, hate America?


What do you expect from a Liberal?

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

APR 03, 2007 02:25 PM

Zarth said:

TheFuckOffKid said:
Only one question to be asked:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
Why does Matthew Dowd, Flip-Flopper Extraordinaire, hate America?


What do you expect from a Liberal?


Or a conservative. Er, liberal. Ah skip it.

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

APR 03, 2007 02:27 PM

Zarth said:

TheFuckOffKid said:
Only one question to be asked:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
Why does Matthew Dowd, Flip-Flopper Extraordinaire, hate America?


What do you expect from a conservativel?



I keep havin' ta fix your shit.

Although to be fair, I don't really know what this fucker is.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

APR 03, 2007 02:27 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:
Only one question to be asked:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
Is Subrosa really FTR?



Fixed.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

APR 03, 2007 02:28 PM

NickFaust said:
Although to be fair, I don't really know what this fucker is.


I think Bastardo's observation on the matter was pithiest.

MschfMayhemSoap

MschfMayhemSoap

Phoenix, AZ
April 2006

APR 03, 2007 03:20 PM

Zarth said:

NickFaust said:
Although to be fair, I don't really know what this fucker is.


I think Bastardo's observation on the matter was pithiest.



He neither con nor lib..... he's a sycophant, a political parasite latching onto any side he sees will be the victor in the near future.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
Wonder how loose that asshole is wink

Davegeek

davegeek

Trail, BC
December 2005

APR 03, 2007 03:39 PM

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

I wonder how much he can fit in his mouth and whether he has anything resembling a gag reflex anymore?



We get his type up here too. In fact one of the more prominent, Belinda Stronach, ran for the leadership of the Liberal Party. Of course I do have to doff my cap to Dowd for doing the double flip. That's showing some real guts.

saltonsea

saltonsea

Toronto, ON
July 2004

APR 03, 2007 03:54 PM


I think,

MATTHEW DOWD: Doubting Thomas

would have been hilarious.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

APR 03, 2007 06:10 PM

bald_eagle said:
I think the key is here:

Mr. Dowd said he decided to become a Republican in 1999 and joined Mr. Bush after watching him work closely with Bob Bullock, the Democratic lieutenant governor of Texas, who was a political client of Mr. Dowd



He's now primed to become someone's very valuable campaign strategist. He won't need to worry about party affiliation; that's for idealists and demagogues. He's turning pro.



I really, really don't think so and it seems to me he's already a pro. I think he's pretty much committed political suicide. You don't do a double-double cross without pissing off both sides of the aisle. Unless he goes independent, but that's kind of like committing political suicide too.

Necia

Necia

San Francisco, CA
August 2005

APR 03, 2007 06:51 PM

Oh, kudos nothing. The "flip-flopper" bit was his little piece of genius? Fine, then. Do an opinion switch on the war four years into it if you'd like to, Mr. Dowd, but kindly go fuck yourself while you're at it. *grumbles*

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

APR 03, 2007 07:29 PM

Necia said:
Oh, kudos nothing. The "flip-flopper" bit was his little piece of genius?


Takes one to know one, eh.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

APR 03, 2007 07:42 PM

bald_eagle said:

Subrosa said:

bald_eagle said:

He's now primed to become someone's very valuable campaign strategist. He won't need to worry about party affiliation; that's for idealists and demagogues. He's turning pro.



I really, really don't think so and it seems to me he's already a pro. I think he's pretty much committed political suicide. You don't do a double-double cross without pissing off both sides of the aisle. Unless he goes independent, but that's kind of like committing political suicide too.



It's only poilitical suicide if he runs for office. There are big bucks to be made by someone with the savvy this guy has shown. According to The Center for Public Integrity

About 600 professional consultants were paid $1.78 billion for 2003-2004 political campaign work.


That works out to just under $3 mil each, if my math's right. I admittedly know little about the source, but the figures wouldn't be impossible to roughly verify by other sources.


Why would someone hire him as a consultant when there's a 100% chance he's just going to turn on you?

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

APR 03, 2007 07:49 PM

Subrosa said:
Why would someone hire him as a consultant when there's a 100% chance he's just going to turn on you?


i'm not sure you're using math right. twice in, what, twelve years? that doesn't indicate a 100% chance to me.

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

APR 03, 2007 07:51 PM

motorfirebox said:

Subrosa said:
Why would someone hire him as a consultant when there's a 100% chance he's just going to turn on you?


i'm not sure you're using math right. twice in, what, twelve years? that doesn't indicate a 100% chance to me.



There were two available options. He played both of them. That's 100%.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

APR 03, 2007 07:54 PM

motorfirebox said:
i'm not sure you're using math right.



Incidentally, that's why I went to law school.

OpticNerve

OpticNerve

Arlington, MA
November 2003

APR 04, 2007 12:08 AM

So he fell in love with Dubya partly because Dubya promised to do more to improve the American education system? I wonder, which appropriation bill that siphoned valuable dollars from all sectors of government, including education, for a pre-emptive war effort ended his honeymoon with Shrub?

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

APR 04, 2007 12:41 AM

So the rats are all starting to jumping ship now, eh? Dowd must feel like he's spinning in circles with all the disillusionment he's suffered. If he stopped drinking all the electric kool-aide, maybe he'd have a moment of clarity: get out of the political boot licking business and into hardcore gay biker porn instead. He'd probably feel right at home.

_Elichrusos

_Elichrusos

Australia
November 2004

APR 04, 2007 12:44 AM

Subrosa said:

motorfirebox said:
i'm not sure you're using math right.



Incidentally, that's why I went to law school.


What the hell kind of lawyer can't factor a polynomial in his head? Honestly.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

APR 04, 2007 04:46 AM

Elichrusos said:

Subrosa said:

motorfirebox said:
i'm not sure you're using math right.



Incidentally, that's why I went to law school.


What the hell kind of lawyer can't factor a polynomial in his head? Honestly.



Polywho?

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

APR 04, 2007 03:23 PM

NickFaust said:

motorfirebox said:

Subrosa said:
Why would someone hire him as a consultant when there's a 100% chance he's just going to turn on you?


i'm not sure you're using math right. twice in, what, twelve years? that doesn't indicate a 100% chance to me.



There were two available options. He played both of them. That's 100%.


past behavior tends to be a good indicator of future behavior, yes, but that's still not a 100% guarantee. in this case, especially, it's not a guarantee or even a good indicator--the sample size is way too small. show where he's worked for ten guys and turned on all ten of them, and you'll have a good case (still not 100%, because there is no 100% guarantee when it comes to human behavior). but as reported here, he's turned on two guys in twelve years.

Subrosa said:
Incidentally, that's why I went to law school.


remind me to never ask a lawyer to do my math homework!

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

APR 04, 2007 03:57 PM

motorfirebox said:

NickFaust said:

motorfirebox said:

Subrosa said:
Why would someone hire him as a consultant when there's a 100% chance he's just going to turn on you?


i'm not sure you're using math right. twice in, what, twelve years? that doesn't indicate a 100% chance to me.



There were two available options. He played both of them. That's 100%.


past behavior tends to be a good indicator of future behavior, yes, but that's still not a 100% guarantee. in this case, especially, it's not a guarantee or even a good indicator--the sample size is way too small. show where he's worked for ten guys and turned on all ten of them, and you'll have a good case (still not 100%, because there is no 100% guarantee when it comes to human behavior). but as reported here, he's turned on two guys in twelve year!



Guy goes into a drugstore. Robs it. Goes into another drug store. Robs it. Heads toward a third. Now, quick! What's he going to do in that drugstore?

Point is this guy gets "disillusioned" when complex political processes do not match his rather simplistic expectations. This is an indicator of a rather shallow thinker with a possible personality disorder, which means he will get hooked up with someone else and get "disillusioned" (disillusionment apparently takes a while in this guy.) But, if it will make you feel better, let's lower the odds to 95%.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

APR 04, 2007 06:25 PM

motorfirebox said:

NickFaust said:

motorfirebox said:

Subrosa said:
Why would someone hire him as a consultant when there's a 100% chance he's just going to turn on you?


i'm not sure you're using math right. twice in, what, twelve years? that doesn't indicate a 100% chance to me.



There were two available options. He played both of them. That's 100%.


past behavior tends to be a good indicator of future behavior, yes, but that's still not a 100% guarantee. in this case, especially, it's not a guarantee or even a good indicator--the sample size is way too small. show where he's worked for ten guys and turned on all ten of them, and you'll have a good case (still not 100%, because there is no 100% guarantee when it comes to human behavior). but as reported here, he's turned on two guys in twelve years.



I was exaggerating on the 100% figure. The point is he's not trustworthy from a political perspective because he not only changes his mind all the time, but does so very publicly.

_Elichrusos

_Elichrusos

Australia
November 2004

APR 04, 2007 09:40 PM

Subrosa said:

Elichrusos said:

Subrosa said:

motorfirebox said:
i'm not sure you're using math right.



Incidentally, that's why I went to law school.


What the hell kind of lawyer can't factor a polynomial in his head? Honestly.



Polywho?



I love you anyway.

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