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FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JAN 07, 2007 10:09 PM

Bush plans to give his "New Way Forward" speech this week

during which he will tell the American people his new plan to utterly fail in Iraq. According the BBC, the central theme of the speech will be "sacrifice." Sadly, he will not be telling us that he will sacrifice his daughters, but rather the sons and daughters of Americans in a war that is already lost.



The speech will reveal a plan to send more US troops to Iraq to focus on ways of bringing greater security, rather than training Iraqi forces.



Earlier this year we tried this plan. We took 20,000 troops from around the country and moved them into Baghdad, in an attempt to halt the sectarian violence. At first it worked, the killings slowed. But the militias adjusted and now killings are higher than they have ever been. Bush's "new" plan for Iraq is just a repetition of this failure.



Iraq is lost. It is a disaster. The President has only shown that whatever action he takes will make Iraq worse. We only need to look at the execution of Saddam Hussein to see how Bush is an epic failure. While Saddam stood with the noose around his neck, the crowd chanted, "Muqtada! Muqtada!" They were referring to Muqtada al-Sadr, the radical Shiite cleric who controls the Mahdi Army. The same Mahdi Army we fought against in 2004 for control of the city of Najaf. Sadr is viewed as the biggest enemy of Bush in Iraq among Shiites. The Pentagon calls his militia "the main threat to stability in Iraq."



Saddam's trial was basically run out of the US embassy in Baghdad. He was held at a US military prison. His sentence was carefully orchestrated to be delivered just two days before the midterm elections. Saddam was flown to his execution in a US helicopter. But yet when he was about to be executed the Interior Ministry guards chanted the name "Muqtada!" In what should have been a heavily controlled environment, where camera phones should not have been allowed, where every caution should have been taken to make sure not to upset the Sunni population more, there was failure once again. The results were predictable.



In the week since Saddam Hussein was hanged in an execution steeped in sectarian overtones, his public image in the Arab world, formerly that of a convicted dictator, has undergone a resurgence of admiration and awe.



On the streets, in newspapers and over the Internet, Mr. Hussein has emerged as a Sunni Arab hero who stood calm and composed as his Shiite executioners tormented and abused him.



If the American leadership could not stop the execution from being "infiltrated" by al-Sadr followers, they have no hope of controlling Baghdad with a few thousand more soldiers. The execution was just a microcosm of the disaster that is Iraq. Al-Sadr has grown roots into every level of the government and we have lost. Sending more soldiers is futile and stupid.

stealingthesun

stealingthesun

Savannah, GA
December 2006

JAN 07, 2007 10:17 PM

This makes me angry..
Looks like i'll be spending another year with 2 loved ones in Iraq.
Thanks a lot Bush

Synthiviper

Synthiviper

Chicago, IL
June 2004

JAN 07, 2007 10:36 PM

Words can not even begin to describe the amount of anger and frustration I have towards that man and this bullshit war he started.

I leave it at that before my head just up and explodes.

DefiantVerse

DefiantVerse

I'm lost
January 2007

JAN 07, 2007 10:47 PM

Keith Olbermann had some really interesting things to say about sacrifice. Check it out over on Crooks and Liars.

photoline

photoline

Edmonton, AB
January 2005

JAN 07, 2007 11:02 PM

The Bush-Cheney alliance just keeps on churning out the same old hits....

jaggy

jaggy

Austin, TX
October 2003

JAN 07, 2007 11:07 PM

a completely symbolic and political move at the expense of more human lives...no fuckin surprise !!! staying the course and replacing all the commanders with ones that agree and conform! the most unilateral and heinous adminstration in us history.

hint: avoid using google to look up word spellings. i initially typed 'hanus crime' (for context) in google and i got anus cream...so that delayed me for awhile.

Holden_Caulfield

Holden_Caulfield

Ann Arbor, MI
April 2004

JAN 08, 2007 12:18 AM

Bush's new tactic will draw in more insurgents and result in a spike in U.S. troop casualties. The borders of Iraq are not secure. Insurgents will continue to roll in and enlist Iraqis to their cause. Things are only going to get worse.

The sad fact of the matter is that Bush isn't learning from his mistakes. He's changing his military leadership into a bunch of yes men. This is a really bad combination.

Congress needs to find a way to reign in the White House. The purse strings need to be pulled in a way that will protect the troops and our interests. Congressional investigations will take a long time to have an effect on Iraq policy.

This lame duck President needs to be shown some accountability. Perhaps then he will respectfully retreat from his position and use diplomacy to end this war.

ghost429

ghost429

Gorham, KS
May 2005

JAN 08, 2007 12:29 AM

Bush is totally incompetent as a military leader. Not only did he get us involved in Iraq without a reason or plan but he won't back off. What I can't understand is why so many people are stupid enough to jion the military now! I have convinced one fool not to reup but I have to wonder did the young people of this country not learn a thing from Nam. Without troops Bush could not pull this shit off.

trocc

trocc

Chicago, IL
March 2003

JAN 08, 2007 12:55 AM

i never post in these threads, but his dragging his feet for weeks, ignoring all advice, only to announce some predictable shit like this - i am filled with the unfulfillable urge to punch the motherfucker in the jaw.

mad

fuck. i guess i will just scream into the void.

merryplot

merryplot

Fort Eustis, VA
December 2006

JAN 08, 2007 01:37 AM

Synthiviper said:
Words can not even begin to describe the amount of anger and frustration I have towards that man and this bullshit war he started.

I leave it at that before my head just up and explodes.



You're telling me! I'm in the army and I'll probably see some time "over there". Just so everyone knows, soldiers don't look forward to doing shit like this but it's in the job description. I just wish it was for a good cause instead.

merryplot

merryplot

Fort Eustis, VA
December 2006

JAN 08, 2007 01:37 AM

i am filled with the unfulfillable urge to punch the
motherfucker in the jaw.

Please do, for me :-)

merryplot

merryplot

Fort Eustis, VA
December 2006

JAN 08, 2007 01:39 AM

photoline said:
The Bush-Cheney alliance just keeps on churning out the same old hits....



Well of course! I, for one, would just LOVE to see their stock portfolio.

NikkiIs

NikkiIs

Drexel, MO
April 2005

JAN 08, 2007 04:39 AM

ghost429 said:
Bush is totally incompetent as a military leader. Not only did he get us involved in Iraq without a reason or plan but he won't back off. What I can't understand is why so many people are stupid enough to jion the military now! I have convinced one fool not to reup but I have to wonder did the young people of this country not learn a thing from Nam. Without troops Bush could not pull this shit off.



The most important thing I learned about Vietnam is that when people don't enlist, the goverment uses this thing called The Draft.

R0nin

R0nin

Chicago, IL
October 2005

JAN 08, 2007 05:03 AM

merryplot said:
You're telling me! I'm in the army and I'll probably see some time "over there". Just so everyone knows, soldiers don't look forward to doing shit like this but it's in the job description. I just wish it was for a good cause instead.



Believe me.. A lot of us do realize that many of you guys don't want to be going over there. I've already lost two cousins and a friend from college to this war and none of them wanted to be over there. I think it's an example of how far our country has fallen when someone can send our friends and loved ones off to war without a damn good reason. I may not support our president or this war, but I have nothing but respect for anyone who ends up in Iraq. I just never thought I'd see the day that a president could put your lives in danger without a damn good reason, and then not be held accountable for it.. It's sad to say, but war is big business and the only ones benefiting from the US occupation of Iraq are corporations like Halliburton.. Certainly not the people of Iraq.

I truly hope that one day all of those responsible for this mess (especially Bush) will be put on trial and held accountable for their actions, their absolute miss-use of power, and their complete disregard for the lives of so many Americans who have died as a result of their agenda.

Good luck and get home safe!

Maddigan

Maddigan

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JAN 08, 2007 06:26 AM

I'm especially concerned not only for the potential (and very inevitable) loss of life that a surge in troops would cause, but for the psychological condition of those who survive.

Tours are being extended longer and longer, and people who were supposed to have a rest are being called back up. Without adequate time to rest between tours, and with longer tours, we really almost can't be surprised that soldiers are breaking and committing some heinous crimes over there; rape, murder, and the like. "Three hots and a cot," the strategy that takes soldiers out for a few days, is definitely not enough to keep them sane. Yes, I know that there are psychologists on the field, but there is definitely a bias against those who need and seek counseling, as there is in our culture.

Even after they get back... I really expect that a very long term impact on a large population group will occur. It'll be interesting to see how the psychological community addresses this. It'll be interesting to see how mainstream society addresses this.

You can't push people like this. They will break.

jrave

jrave

Italy
January 2004

JAN 08, 2007 07:23 AM

This is ridiculous. He needs to enlist his daughters (enlist, not commission! i want them to be groundpounders), or better yet, he needs to go over there himself and fight in the trenches. I'm tired of my brothers and sisters in arms dying. I've lost numerous friends in all branches to this war. Now, he wants to send more of us. Why? If called to go back, I will, but this is a useless measure by a desperate man.

We will fight, because we follow our orders, but as Maddigan stated above, the after effects of this war will be long lasting. Much like when the Vietnam Vets got back, the re-adjustment to society will be a long and probably painful process.

Mr. Bush the 43rd is fighting a war that his country doesn't support and cannot win. I don't think Daddy is impressed.

geo35

geo35

Minneapolis, MN
January 2003

JAN 08, 2007 08:52 AM

jaggy said:
a completely symbolic and political move at the expense of more human lives...no fuckin surprise !!! staying the course and replacing all the commanders with ones that agree and conform! the most unilateral and heinous adminstration in us history.



The primary reason so many of you are saying that Bush is the worst president we've ever had is because you're young and don't remember Nixon. I'm convinced that both of them are/were criminally insane, but Dubya still has a ways to go before he'll dethrone Tricky Dick in my mind.

merryplot

merryplot

Fort Eustis, VA
December 2006

JAN 08, 2007 08:55 AM

jrave said:
This is ridiculous. He needs to enlist his daughters (enlist, not commission! i want them to be groundpounders), or better yet, he needs to go over there himself and fight in the trenches. I'm tired of my brothers and sisters in arms dying. I've lost numerous friends in all branches to this war. Now, he wants to send more of us. Why? If called to go back, I will, but this is a useless measure by a desperate man.

We will fight, because we follow our orders, but as Maddigan stated above, the after effects of this war will be long lasting. Much like when the Vietnam Vets got back, the re-adjustment to society will be a long and probably painful process.

Mr. Bush the 43rd is fighting a war that his country doesn't support and cannot win. I don't think Daddy is impressed.



"Daddy" Bush DOESN'T agree! In fact, he told his lame-duck son (of a bitch) to stay away from this war but, like a village idiot, he took it upon himself to go in with guns-a-blazing. Of course, it's not his life on the line; it's ours. I can't appologize on his behalf but I will say this: I now understand why we are so hated. It makes me sick to think about how he stated that he's sooooo fucking sad about it all. I'm not sure if he's asking for trouble but...

HeyZeus

HeyZeus

Oakland, CA
August 2006

JAN 08, 2007 09:21 AM

Sacrifice
Constitutional freedoms
American Lives
Standing in the world
Morality
Common decency
Mideast peace
post 9/11 world sympathy
Truth

No Sacrifice
oil $$$
tax cuts
gas guzzlers
gluttony
war profiteering
mass mall consumerism frenzy
"reality" tv
unfettered commercialism
media monopolization
spin

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

JAN 08, 2007 12:15 PM

geo35 said:

jaggy said:
a completely symbolic and political move at the expense of more human lives...no fuckin surprise !!! staying the course and replacing all the commanders with ones that agree and conform! the most unilateral and heinous adminstration in us history.



The primary reason so many of you are saying that Bush is the worst president we've ever had is because you're young and don't remember Nixon. I'm convinced that both of them are/were criminally insane, but Dubya still has a ways to go before he'll dethrone Tricky Dick in my mind.



Well, you're right that I'm not old enough to *remember* Nixon, but I've read about him and I'm pretty damn sure he wasn't as comprehensive a failure as Bush, much less as successful at pushing the unitary executive, or anywhere near as successful at distracting people (not everyone, but some people) from flagrantly impeachable behaviour. He was forced to resign, after all.

Though admittedly some of that was probably that he didn't have both houses of Congress bowing to his every whim for six fucking years. tongue

Adroitbeing

Adroitbeing

I'm lost
September 2003

JAN 08, 2007 12:22 PM

geo35 said:

jaggy said:
a completely symbolic and political move at the expense of more human lives...no fuckin surprise !!! staying the course and replacing all the commanders with ones that agree and conform! the most unilateral and heinous adminstration in us history.



The primary reason so many of you are saying that Bush is the worst president we've ever had is because you're young and don't remember Nixon. I'm convinced that both of them are/were criminally insane, but Dubya still has a ways to go before he'll dethrone Tricky Dick in my mind.



Well, I've lived both and Dubya earns my nomination for persistence in promoting doctrine that he fully admits only a few screwballs support.

scorp17yh

scorp17yh

Brookings, OR
November 2004

JAN 08, 2007 01:12 PM

Not to mention the chilling effect his "war on porn" has had on this web site

merryplot

merryplot

Fort Eustis, VA
December 2006

JAN 08, 2007 01:23 PM

Maddigan said:
I'm especially concerned not only for the potential (and very inevitable) loss of life that a surge in troops would cause, but for the psychological condition of those who survive.

Tours are being extended longer and longer, and people who were supposed to have a rest are being called back up. Without adequate time to rest between tours, and with longer tours, we really almost can't be surprised that soldiers are breaking and committing some heinous crimes over there; rape, murder, and the like. "Three hots and a cot," the strategy that takes soldiers out for a few days, is definitely not enough to keep them sane. Yes, I know that there are psychologists on the field, but there is definitely a bias against those who need and seek counseling, as there is in our culture.

Even after they get back... I really expect that a very long term impact on a large population group will occur. It'll be interesting to see how the psychological community addresses this. It'll be interesting to see how mainstream society addresses this.

You can't push people like this. They will break.



Well I'm sure things are only going to change for the worse right now, since Saddam Hussein was just executed. Think about the timing for this plan...

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Mokena, IL
January 2005

JAN 08, 2007 01:31 PM

NikkiIs said:

ghost429 said:
Bush is totally incompetent as a military leader. Not only did he get us involved in Iraq without a reason or plan but he won't back off. What I can't understand is why so many people are stupid enough to jion the military now! I have convinced one fool not to reup but I have to wonder did the young people of this country not learn a thing from Nam. Without troops Bush could not pull this shit off.



The most important thing I learned about Vietnam is that when people don't enlist, the goverment uses this thing called The Draft.



if people aren't enlisting, there's an underlying reason. they should listen to that reason instead of going balls to the wall in forcing people to go to war.

of course, that would require an administration that gives a fuck about public opinion that goes beyond "Would you have a beer with the President", and a legislation with the balls to stand up to a idiotic dictator.

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Mokena, IL
January 2005

JAN 08, 2007 01:34 PM

malkav11 said:

geo35 said:

jaggy said:
a completely symbolic and political move at the expense of more human lives...no fuckin surprise !!! staying the course and replacing all the commanders with ones that agree and conform! the most unilateral and heinous adminstration in us history.



The primary reason so many of you are saying that Bush is the worst president we've ever had is because you're young and don't remember Nixon. I'm convinced that both of them are/were criminally insane, but Dubya still has a ways to go before he'll dethrone Tricky Dick in my mind.



Well, you're right that I'm not old enough to *remember* Nixon, but I've read about him and I'm pretty damn sure he wasn't as comprehensive a failure as Bush, much less as successful at pushing the unitary executive, or anywhere near as successful at distracting people (not everyone, but some people) from flagrantly impeachable behaviour. He was forced to resign, after all.

Though admittedly some of that was probably that he didn't have both houses of Congress bowing to his every whim for six fucking years. tongue



i think the REAL difference here was that Nixon was at least perceptive and intelligent, even if he had no scruples. he knew when he had lost.

as well, i think your opinion about the Congress at the end was fairly accurate.

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