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legionnaire

legionnaire

United Kingdom
November 2003

DEC 21, 2006 04:01 PM

The Democrats are back, and a minimum wage hike is one of the first orders of business. And for a change, it looks like Bush might be playing along. Of course, there's always a catch.



President Bush for the first time endorsed a specific plan for raising the federal minimum wage yesterday, as he embraced Democratic calls to boost it by $2.10, to $7.25 an hour, over two years.

[...]

Across the country, about 1.9 million workers earn the minimum wage or less, and economists estimate that 14.9 million other workers would benefit from an increase in the standard. When adjusted for inflation, the buying power of the minimum wage has dwindled to its lowest level since 1955, and raising the rate has become a popular issue among voters.



To say that the minimum wage increase is necessary is an understatement. Working a typical 40 hour per week job at minimum wage for 50 weeks out of the year grosses a staggering $10,300 per year annual salary, just barely above the poverty line and certainly not enough to live off of. Opponents of minimum wage increases cite the fact that the majority of minimum wage workers are part-time or teenagers. They often neglect the fact, however, that it still leaves a healthy percentage of minimum wage workers who do not fit into that category, and an increased minimum wage would greatly benefit those people.



The other source of bulk criticism against the minimum wage is that it hurts small businesses operating on a narrow profit margin, and effectively decreases the number of total jobs because jobs will be cut when employers can no longer afford the same number of employees at the new wage. However, increased data on the subject refute that point, possibly since lower income workers put a significant portion of their salaries directly back into the economy, so the resultant economic stimulation offsets whatever losses are felt by the increase burder on employers.



All of which is academic, of course, if the wage increase doesn't actually get passed. And while Bush is seemingly on board, he's linking it to yet another tax break.



The president's backing greatly enhances the prospects for congressional approval next year of the first hike in the federal minimum wage since 1997. He stressed, however, that it should be accompanied by tax breaks and regulatory relief that would cushion the blow for small businesses.



"I believe we should do it in a way that does not punish the millions of small businesses that are creating most of the new jobs in our country," Bush said during a news conference. "So I support pairing it with targeted tax and regulatory relief to help these small businesses stay competitive and to help keep our economy growing."

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Democrats have pledged to reinstate budget rules that would require that any tax cut be offset by equivalent tax increases or spending cuts. Some Democrats say they do not want to complicate their effort to raise the minimum wage by linking that issue to business tax breaks, as Bush and many Republicans are insisting. House Democrats will vote early next month on a stand-alone wage increase, leadership aides said.



Always the tax cuts. It's a shrewd political maneuver for Bush, as he comes off as being eminently reasonable by agreeing to meet the Democrats halfway on their plan to increase the minimum wage, all while keeping "small businesses" solvent through another tax break. However, if those tax cuts that supposedly target small businesses are implemented in the same way that previously styled cuts have been, the result doesn't really help them much at all.



One major benefit the President's tax cuts have supposedly offered small business owners is the reduction in the top individual income tax rate, from 39.6 percent to 35 percent. Because small business owners pay individual income tax on their business income, the Administration contends that they are disproportionate beneficiaries of the rate reduction.



But a Tax Policy Center analysis found that only 1.3 percent of filers with small business income are subject to the top income tax rate and so benefit from lowering it. Moreover, these households hardly conform to the popular image of the small business owner or the popular understanding of who most needs tax relief: their average income was $1.5 million in 2004.



Not exactly ma-and-pa's corner store.



The Democrats need to tread lightly if they're to be sure that they aren't being taken advantage of with Bush's newfound willingness to deal with them. He's made an effort to be as intransigent as possible when dealing with the opposition party throughout his term so far. While a change in disposition would be welcome, it shouldn't be taken at face value until confirmed to be what he says it is.

PRockGirlScout

PRockGirlScout

Hawaii National Park, HI
October 2005

DEC 21, 2006 06:08 PM

Small businesses DO need tax relief. I say do away with payroll taxes altogether and make up for it by decreasing corporate welfare a little.

legionnaire

legionnaire

United Kingdom
November 2003

DEC 21, 2006 06:13 PM

Inque said:
Small businesses DO need tax relief. I say do away with payroll taxes altogether and make up for it by decreasing corporate welfare a little.



Not to be jesuitical, but wouldn't eliminating payroll taxes be a form of corporate welfare?

KillCity

KillCity

Nanaimo, BC
December 2005

DEC 21, 2006 06:19 PM

I am almost 19 years old and I make just above minimum wage working full-time and yet I'm expected to support myself.Minimum wage in my province is $8 an hour and I still struggle to get everything paid by the end of the month.
Whatever changes need to be made so that the minimum wage increases,I say make them.

ash67

ash67

Longview, TX
October 2005

DEC 21, 2006 06:22 PM

I make minimum wage and am barely getting by. Yet the people at my work that are there "to get out of the house" make probably two dollars more an hour, which doesn't seem like much, but is. So, hopefully, this starts going into effect a little bit at a time, or I those applications for better paid jobs get picked up. I miss real food...

Trevallion

Trevallion

Murfreesboro, TN
February 2004

DEC 21, 2006 06:25 PM

I'd like to point out that a minimum wage annual salary is only above to poverty line for one person. It's significantly below it for a family of four.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

DEC 21, 2006 06:48 PM

I wonder how much less we would all hate Bush right now if he had a Democratic Congress throughout his presidency? I would wager his approval ratings would be at least 10 points higher.

squerk

squerk

Seattle, WA
December 2004

DEC 21, 2006 07:03 PM

Subrosa said:
I wonder how much less we would all hate Bush right now if he had a Democratic Congress throughout his presidency? I would wager his approval ratings would be at least 10 points higher.



Not to mention the fact that having multiple parties in separate houses of the government means more representation of opinion. It makes for a more unified and hopefully levelheaded country...in theory...

MschfMayhemSoap

MschfMayhemSoap

Phoenix, AZ
April 2006

DEC 21, 2006 07:05 PM

Subrosa said:
I wonder how much less we would all hate Bush right now if he had a Democratic Congress throughout his presidency? I would wager his approval ratings would be at least 10 points higher.



You think 10 is reaching?

Ofelia

Ofelia

Pittsburgh, PA
July 2005

DEC 21, 2006 07:10 PM

I've been hoping for a min wage increase since I started working last year. If it goes through, maybe I'll be able to support myself while in school.

RandomNerd

RandomNerd

Malverne, NY
January 2005

DEC 21, 2006 07:13 PM

Subrosa said:
I wonder how much less we would all hate Bush right now if he had a Democratic Congress throughout his presidency? I would wager his approval ratings would be at least 10 points higher.



That's what they said in Rolling Stone a week before the 2006 election... Letting the president have his way all the time only made things worse in the long run.

PRockGirlScout

PRockGirlScout

Hawaii National Park, HI
October 2005

DEC 21, 2006 07:33 PM

legionnaire said:

Inque said:
Small businesses DO need tax relief. I say do away with payroll taxes altogether and make up for it by decreasing corporate welfare a little.



Not to be jesuitical, but wouldn't eliminating payroll taxes be a form of corporate welfare?



Some people might argue that. I wouldn't agree, though. I think penalizing any companies for employing people is a bad idea. Taxing profits makes sense, taxing the creation of jobs doesn't. (And those two things are not one and the same)

I'd rather see the government subsidies and bailouts being curtailed and bankruptcy statutes for corporations reformed before taxing the shit out of companies with less than 50 employees.

PRockGirlScout

PRockGirlScout

Hawaii National Park, HI
October 2005

DEC 21, 2006 07:34 PM

Trevallion said:
I'd like to point out that a minimum wage annual salary is only above to poverty line for one person. It's significantly below it for a family of four.



Cue judgmental bullshit about how people who work for minimum wage have no business having kids.

WADO

WADO

Brooklyn, NY
March 2006

DEC 21, 2006 07:35 PM

Small business owners do get shafted with a frozen corn cob. Not only do they pay as individuals, but states like New York also hammer them with sole proprietor taxes. The most vocal opposition to a wage hike doesn't come from small businesses though, it comes from Wal-mart.

That's right, your friendly neighborhood viral corporation, in addition to obliterating small businesses, wage scales, municipal tax bases, and entire regional economies is also the biggest anti-wage-hike lobbyist. Smiles for everyone!
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Trevallion

Trevallion

Murfreesboro, TN
February 2004

DEC 21, 2006 08:09 PM

Inque said:

Trevallion said:
I'd like to point out that a minimum wage annual salary is only above to poverty line for one person. It's significantly below it for a family of four.



Cue judgmental bullshit about how people who work for minimum wage have no business having kids.



Cue bullshit about deadbeat dads! wink

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

DEC 21, 2006 08:16 PM

I have no idea why being a part-time employee is supposed to mean you need money any less than the full-time folks. I have had more than a few coworkers who had to work multiple part-time jobs to survive. And they were lucky, because we earn 10+ dollars an hour, which is well above what most part-time unskilled jobs pay (and still well below enough to survive on alone, given the 16-hour-per-week limit on how much we can work.).

And if I recall correctly, many businesses prefer part-time employees because you don't have to provide nearly as many (if any) benefits.

TheAngrySloth

TheAngrySloth

York, ON
September 2003

DEC 21, 2006 08:27 PM

I work full time at 9 dollars an hour. Minimum wage in my province is like 7.50. I live in a major city and over half my paycheque goes towards rent. If I only made minimum wage, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to afford to live.

MisterLinguist

MisterLinguist

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

DEC 21, 2006 09:01 PM

Inque said:

legionnaire said:

Inque said:
Small businesses DO need tax relief. I say do away with payroll taxes altogether and make up for it by decreasing corporate welfare a little.



Not to be jesuitical, but wouldn't eliminating payroll taxes be a form of corporate welfare?



Some people might argue that. I wouldn't agree, though. I think penalizing any companies for employing people is a bad idea. Taxing profits makes sense, taxing the creation of jobs doesn't. (And those two things are not one and the same)

I'd rather see the government subsidies and bailouts being curtailed and bankruptcy statutes for corporations reformed before taxing the shit out of companies with less than 50 employees.



A tax isn't a penalty anymore. We need those taxes to pay for the grandiose shit we take for granted.

grave_chilling

grave_chilling

Bath, ON
September 2006

DEC 21, 2006 09:17 PM

More evidence that he'll say anything, even stuff he is opposed to fundamentally.

d_day

d_day

San Bernardino, CA
July 2002

DEC 21, 2006 09:24 PM

Inque said:

legionnaire said:

Inque said:
Small businesses DO need tax relief. I say do away with payroll taxes altogether and make up for it by decreasing corporate welfare a little.



Not to be jesuitical, but wouldn't eliminating payroll taxes be a form of corporate welfare?



Some people might argue that. I wouldn't agree, though. I think penalizing any companies for employing people is a bad idea. Taxing profits makes sense, taxing the creation of jobs doesn't. (And those two things are not one and the same)

I'd rather see the government subsidies and bailouts being curtailed and bankruptcy statutes for corporations reformed before taxing the shit out of companies with less than 50 employees.



Need I point out that all corporate taxes are passed on the consumer anyway?

thrash242

thrash242

Pearland, TX
September 2004

DEC 21, 2006 09:44 PM

*sigh*

Hooray for feel-good legislation. whatever

DieWhiteGirls

DieWhiteGirls

Madison, WI
July 2005

DEC 21, 2006 09:54 PM

Everyone should quit their jobs and get into the restaurant industry. I made $273 in 6 hours tonight. o_0 Of course, I only make $2.33 an hour, so this is an outrage. I demand an increase.

That was, of course, a joke.

I may be pulling this out of my ass, but it seems that the minimum wage has stayed the same, while inflation has gone up. I don't know shit about micro- or macroeconomics, but I can safely say that people need to be making more fucking money than they are making now.

Flawedhero

Flawedhero

Suwanee, GA
October 2006

DEC 21, 2006 09:59 PM

Ok, forget taxes, forget minimum wage, forget Bush, all of that.

I'm really tired of this "I deserve" bullshit. So you work the same ammount of time that a CEO does, that doesn't mean you should get his pay.

If you want the pay, get off your ass and find it.

I mean, if you are 18+ and still making minimum wage, you need to stop whining and apply to somewhere other than McDonalds.

Most temp agencies will hire any idiot off the street and pay upwards of 8/hr with little to no skill needed. Hell, even security guards only really have to pass a background check and can make up to 12.50 in Atlanta and I'm sure it is available all over the place, you just have to look somewhere other than the mall or your favorite fast food spot.

(Look forward to more rants as I find time to reply) tongue

posthummusly

posthummusly

Conyers, GA
January 2006

DEC 21, 2006 10:16 PM

ummm... Why the hell is anyone working for minimum wage in this country anyway? I mean shit we are given a practically free education with more than enough chance for higher learning. Baring some physical or mental disaster ... anyone living in this country who has not managed to acquire enough education and job skills to earn more than the minimum wage is a complete failure. The minimum wage is for teenagers who have no job skills and usually that is their first job.

beastlyphoenix21

beastlyphoenix21

Conroe, TX
June 2006

DEC 21, 2006 10:18 PM

What y'all don't seem to be taking into account is that as soon as minimum wage gets boosted so do prices. It looks good on paper... but remember so does communism.

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