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FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

DEC 19, 2006 11:25 PM

Virgil Goode, a Virginian Representative in the US House, isn't afraid to stand up and fight for America. Goode wrote a letter to his constituents to explain his concerns about the possibility of Muslim hordes living in our sweet country. He was reacting to the frightening controversy over the first Muslim being elected to the House and deciding to be sworn in on the Koran.



In his letter, Goode warns Americans that the US has to close its borders in order to guard against the Muslim hordes. If not, there will be more Muslims and those Muslims will be elected to Congress. Goode goes on to narrate an incident that occurred in his Washington office recently. It seems a Muslim student stopped by and asked him why he did not have the Koran up next to the Ten Commandments on his wall. Goode was not amused because he loves God. He claims he told the punk:



"As long as I have the honor of representing the citizens of the 5th District of Virginia in the United States House of Representatives, The Koran is not going to be on the wall of my office."



He really set that fictional student straight. And may I say, it is about time fictional students like him were put in their place. Goode is fighting the good fight in other ways also, having proposed an amendment to the Constitution to make English the official language of the US. He believes that if things continue on the current path we could end up like Canada. Which, I think is bad?



Here is the full text of the letter.



Thank you for your recent communication. When I raise my hand to take the oath on Swearing In Day, I will have the Bible in my other hand. I do not subscribe to using the Koran in any way. The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran. We need to stop illegal immigration totally and reduce legal immigration and end the diversity visas policy pushed hard by President Clinton and allowing many persons from the Middle East to come to this country. I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America and to prevent our resources from being swamped.



The Ten Commandments and "In God We Trust" are on the wall in my office. A Muslim student came by the office and asked why I did not have anything on my wall about the Koran. My response was clear, "As long as I have the honor of representing the citizens of the 5th District of Virginia in the United States House of Representatives, The Koran is not going to be on the wall of my office." Thank you again for your email and thoughts.



Thank God somebody in Congress cares about America, I was beginning to worry.

Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

DEC 19, 2006 11:29 PM

I think a removed-from-context quote sums up this position nicely:

We need to stop illegal immigration totally and reduce legal immigration and end the diversity

TheRightBastard

TheRightBastard

San Francisco, CA
November 2006

DEC 19, 2006 11:32 PM

Vestril said:
I think a removed-from-context quote sums up this position nicely:

We need to stop illegal immigration totally and reduce legal immigration and end the diversity



God yes! We must end diversity before it destroys us ALL.


emperorreagan

emperorreagan

Baltimore, MD
January 2004

DEC 19, 2006 11:42 PM

I propose making everyone entering the USA swear on the Holy Bible at their port of entry that they accept the baby Jesus to be their personal lord and savior. And then branding them with a big fucking cross on the forehead.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

DEC 19, 2006 11:48 PM

FearTheReaper said:
It seems a Muslim student stopped by and asked him why he did not have the Koran up next to the Ten Commandments on his wall.



Or better yet, why not the Constitution?

Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

DEC 20, 2006 12:01 AM

s5 said:

FearTheReaper said:
It seems a Muslim student stopped by and asked him why he did not have the Koran up next to the Ten Commandments on his wall.



Or better yet, why not the Constitution?



"As long as I have the honor of representing the citizens of the 5th District of Virginia in the United States House of Representatives, The Constitution is not going to be on the wall of my office."

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

DEC 20, 2006 01:02 AM

I don't get this.

The use of the bible is supposed to imbue a sense of fear in the person swearing an oath on it. To make them think that God is going to fuck their shit up if they weren't being sincere, or if they renege on the deal.

But that loses its power if the person doesn't regard the bible as holy or having authority. You might as well make non-Christians swear an oath on a handbook of a Ford Focus.

Keith Ellison should be required to swear his oath on the Quran - not forbidden from doing so.

As for "ending diversity". Multiculturalism is a failed doctrine. Anything taken to an extreme is unhealthy. The dark side of diversity is segregation, but what about the bright side?

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

DEC 20, 2006 01:15 AM

uptight said:
Keith Ellison should be required to swear his oath on the Quran - not forbidden from doing so.


We don't require anyone to swear "on" anything in this country. Ever.

As for "ending diversity". Multiculturalism is a failed doctrine.


No it's not.

Anything taken to an extreme is unhealthy.


Coming from one of the most ardent extremists on this board, I think that's fantastically ironic.

The dark side of diversity is segregation, but what about the bright side?


What the hell are you talking about?

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

DEC 20, 2006 01:20 AM

The moment he exits Congress, he will be slapping that Qu'ran *all over* the walls of his office.

antagonizer

antagonizer

Whittier, CA
September 2005

DEC 20, 2006 01:21 AM

wow, this is probably one of the most amazing things I've ever read. I laughed out loud, seriously. WOW...

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

DEC 20, 2006 01:42 AM

Subrosa said:

uptight said:
Keith Ellison should be required to swear his oath on the Quran - not forbidden from doing so.


We don't require anyone to swear "on" anything in this country. Ever.



really? Not even in court?


Anything taken to an extreme is unhealthy.


Coming from one of the most ardent extremists on this board, I think that's fantastically ironic.



I'm not extreme, I'm moderate. I am a loud, vocal moderate in a generally left wing environment. To a leftist, moderate views are "extreme". But that's a perspective gained from their political position.

The dark side of diversity is segregation, but what about the bright side?


What the hell are you talking about?



The influence of different cultures enhances our society. Imagine living in London if all you could eat was traditional British food and all you could listen to was Anthony Newly.

However, if government coddles and emphasises cultural differences, it ends up creating cultural silos.

Our national culture must not stifle other cultures. Other cultures should enhance - not subsume - our national culture.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

DEC 20, 2006 01:56 AM

uptight said:

Subrosa said:

uptight said:
Keith Ellison should be required to swear his oath on the Quran - not forbidden from doing so.


We don't require anyone to swear "on" anything in this country. Ever.



really? Not even in court?


Anything taken to an extreme is unhealthy.


Coming from one of the most ardent extremists on this board, I think that's fantastically ironic.



I'm not extreme, I'm moderate. I am a loud, vocal moderate in a generally left wing environment. Some might regard my views as controversial or offensive - but that's a analysis gained from their extreme perspective.

The dark side of diversity is segregation, but what about the bright side?


What the hell are you talking about?



The influence of different cultures enhances our society. Imagine living in London if all you could eat was traditional British food and all you could listen to was Anthony Newly.

However, if government coddles and emphasises cultural differences, it ends up creating cultural silos.

Our national culture must not stifle other cultures. Other cultures should enhance - not subsume - our national culture.



Nope. Not ever. Or not anything religious anyway. See US Constitution Article VI sec. 3 and Amendment I.

Moderates see things in shades of grey and are able to understand the perspective of both sides of an issue before coming to a decision on his or her own personal take. You do not see things in shades of grey or demonstrate the ability to understand and incorporate nuance or subtlety. You see things as black and white. You are an extremist. To be fair, you are not the only vocal extremist here, but you are certainly not a moderate on the vast majority of issues that you seem to post about.

As for diversity and segregation, what you're actually arguing here is that the way multiculturalism has been pursued in your country has not worked the way you'd like it to work. You have not made an argument that multiculturalism is a "failed doctrine".

Dark_Templar

Dark_Templar

Auburn, CA
June 2004

DEC 20, 2006 02:14 AM

uptight said:
I don't get this.

The use of the bible is supposed to imbue a sense of fear in the person swearing an oath on it. To make them think that God is going to fuck their shit up if they weren't being sincere, or if they renege on the deal.

But that loses its power if the person doesn't regard the bible as holy or having authority. You might as well make non-Christians swear an oath on a handbook of a Ford Focus.

Keith Ellison should be required to swear his oath on the Quran - not forbidden from doing so.

As for "ending diversity". Multiculturalism is a failed doctrine. Anything taken to an extreme is unhealthy. The dark side of diversity is segregation, but what about the bright side?



Great Point! wink

Ford Focus ........LOL'd

HairyChapter

HairyChapter

Sweden
November 2006

DEC 20, 2006 02:36 AM

What difference is there between this Virgil Goode and an Saudi-arabian muslim arguing that woman shouldn't be allowed to drive or get an higher education. Same extremism..different religion

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

DEC 20, 2006 03:11 AM

Subrosa said:
Nope. Not ever. Or not anything religious anyway.



Incidentally, how does a court impel a nihilist to tell the truth? I suppose there are purgery laws...

Moderates see things in shades of grey and are able to understand the perspective of both sides of an issue before coming to a decision on his or her own personal take.



No - that's just the namby-pamby, wishy-washy, panty-waist moderates. I am a militant moderate!

When championing decency and common sense, I don't want or need to make concessions to the stupid or evil. And with the far left and far right converging, I don't have to stare at shades of grey to spot repugnant extremism.

But enough about me....please!

As for diversity and segregation, what you're actually arguing here is that the way multiculturalism has been pursued in your country has not worked the way you'd like it to work. You have not made an argument that multiculturalism is a "failed doctrine".



Its failure in Britain is reflected in closed communities, hostility between cultures, shitty single culture schools, the indulgence of religious extremists and municipal facilities having to print literature in every language known to mankind. It has lead to "us and them" resentment and the rise of groups like the BNP.

Don't get me wrong - going too far the other way produces exclusion and resentment, as witnessed in the Paris Intifada.

That's why I suggest the moderate route.

NikkiIs

NikkiIs

Drexel, MO
April 2005

DEC 20, 2006 03:25 AM

Maybe I am misunderstanding what this man is trying to say, but... Does this mean we should also deport all of the Christians as well and go back to worshipping the Religion that was already in place when The Roman Catholics got here?

raen

raen

Oakland, CA
August 2003

DEC 20, 2006 03:27 AM

the bright side would be people with more intelligence than your average jackass like Goode learning about other cultures, appreciating their virtues, and welcoming them into this fucking wonderful melting pot of a country, right? unfortunately there aren't as many of those people around as you would think and America is not a melting pot. that is a crock of shit, akin to "they hate us because we are free."

Tristero05

Tristero05

San Diego, CA
March 2005

DEC 20, 2006 05:12 AM

How is this not worse than the whole "Macaca" incident? Is it simply less press-worthy because the elections are over? Perhaps veiled racism is more newsworthy than overt racism.


uptight said:

As for "ending diversity". Multiculturalism is a failed doctrine. Anything taken to an extreme is unhealthy. The dark side of diversity is segregation, but what about the bright side?



Since when is multiculturalism a doctrine? Do you mean it in a similar sense to affirmative action, e.g., a conscious attempt at achieving diversity? Because that's not the case with most multi-cultural societies. Immigration, at least in the U.S., isn't based on achieving diversity. Even assuming it is a "doctrine" and assuming it has failed, neither of which assumptions I'm sure I would accept, its failure isn't due to any flaw in the "doctrine" itself but because of racist xenophopes like the ironically-named Mr. Goode.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

DEC 20, 2006 05:42 AM

Tristero05 said:
How is this not worse than the whole "Macaca" incident? Is it simply less press-worthy because the elections are over? Perhaps veiled racism is more newsworthy than overt racism.


uptight said:

As for "ending diversity". Multiculturalism is a failed doctrine. Anything taken to an extreme is unhealthy. The dark side of diversity is segregation, but what about the bright side?



Since when is multiculturalism a doctrine? Do you mean it in a similar sense to affirmative action, e.g., a conscious attempt at achieving diversity? Because that's not the case with most multi-cultural societies. Immigration, at least in the U.S., isn't based on achieving diversity. Even assuming it is a "doctrine" and assuming it has failed, neither of which assumptions I'm sure I would accept, its failure isn't due to any flaw in the "doctrine" itself but because of racist xenophopes like the ironically-named Mr. Goode.



America was founded on immigration. People assimilated and became "Americans", proud of America and aspiring to the American dream. It has always been multiracial, but not predominantly multicultural. It would never have worked, otherwise.

As political correctness erodes this shared identity, multiculturalism will take over and more Mr Goodes will be created.

Noxeos

Noxeos

Rochester, NY
February 2004

DEC 20, 2006 05:45 AM

Muslims in congress?! Next thing you know, those atheists will be owning businesses and voting too. First we had to burn the pagans, now what? Christians need to start forming Koran book burning groups, that will really teach those muslims. God knows, next thing they'll want is freedom of religion in America of all places.

Actually, Koran book burning sounds good, as long as we can burn other religious books. I want to offend equally, it's the politically correct thing to do.

softdog

softdog

I'm lost
January 2004

DEC 20, 2006 05:54 AM

The dark side of diversity is segregation, but what about the bright side?



Huh?

Diversity: noticeable heterogeneity; "a diversity of possibilities"; "the range and variety of his work is amazing".

Multiculturalism: Of or relating to a social or educational theory that encourages interest in many cultures within a society rather than in only a mainstream culture.

Segregation: The policy or practice of separating people of different races, classes, or ethnic groups, as in schools, housing, and public or commercial facilities, especially as a form of discrimination.

"Multiculturalism is a failed doctrine" is an somewhat empty racist catchphrase, as the word doesn't imply cultures must or must not mix.

America has had a long multicultural history with groups being excluded or redefining "American" to suit their own personal needs. Or did I miss the part where the Puritans welcomed the Quakers into their community? Part of America's strength is allowing subcultures to exist side by side, whether others liked it or not.

The idea of a unified culture is more concept than reality and usually invoke to punish difference - practice your own religion or culture, get accused of not assimilating.

And who defined what is assimilation? The group with the most power. That group doesn't have as much power anymore, why should they get to continue to define the idea of mainstream?

A society full of tiny groups which hate each other is pretty much not multicultural or diverse. It is segregated. So if Britain is having problems, it's due to segregationist attitudes on both sides. Of course, given one side sort of fucked up the other's homeland with arbritrary map lines and a history of meddling, I think they should suck it up.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

DEC 20, 2006 05:58 AM

Noxeos said:
Actually, Koran book burning sounds good, as long as we can burn other religious books.



Doesn't the constitution allow this? Or is that only anti-Christian blasphemy.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

DEC 20, 2006 06:10 AM

softdog said:
"Multiculturalism is a failed doctrine" is an somewhat empty racist catchphrase, as the word doesn't imply cultures must or must not mix.



What makes it racist? I wasn't slamming multiracialism. Sometimes I think people don't know the difference.

In fact a society full of tiny groups which hate each other is pretty much not multicultural or diverse.



It's totally multicultural. It's the multicultural "end game".

Humans are tribal by nature. No amount of sensitivity training and community outreach will change that. Left unchecked because of multicultural concerns, you get self-forming ghettos, you get citizens unable to speak the national language, you incubate religious and political extremism. Sure you mean well, but fuck...

Now as I said a few posts back, I am not advocating the total anihilation of background cultures - I think diversity is good in reasonable measures. Life would be as dull as church without it.

Also, you can't say "adapt or fuck off" because then you get the Paris Intifada. I don't think those "youths" feel French in the slightest.

But unless you promote a single unifying culture, assimilation will be impossible, segregation and resentment will win.

It is segregated and this wasn't caused by the idea Muslims should be allowed to practice their religion or wear what they want. Alas, bigotry is multicultural as well.



Along with "good intentions", bigotry & segregation are the soul of multiculturalism

akbarbee

akbarbee

Olympia, WA
August 2006

DEC 20, 2006 06:24 AM

well ladies and gentlemen, after reading all of this blatently gross debate I must say that I and my fellow servicemen and women have been disgraced. yes it is true you have the right to freedom of speech, etc., etc., however your as well as Rep. Goode's views and narrow-mindedness of another culture and religion have show the epitomy of the american peoples' inablilty to cope with the rest of the world. I understand that some of you may have some sort of reply to what I have to say, however I really could care less. you have already shown yourselves to be less than "american", or even "Christian" if you believe yourselves to be such. your words disgust me and disgrace the uniform that I wear. I understand and respect what you have to say, but my opinion remains the same. I am disappointed that such words are bandied when it seems those bandying words have no true understanding of the religion or culture they are trading words about. I have said my piece, you are all now welcome to rip it apart and attempt to tear me down because something I said hurt or irritated your wee little mind. tongue eeek

SGT Barbee

gimpy

gimpy

Cold Spring, NY
OLD SKOOL

DEC 20, 2006 06:39 AM

akbarbee said:
well ladies and gentlemen, after reading all of this blatently gross debate I must say that I and my fellow servicemen and women have been disgraced. yes it is true you have the right to freedom of speech, etc., etc., however your as well as Rep. Goode's views and narrow-mindedness of another culture and religion have show the epitomy of the american peoples' inablilty to cope with the rest of the world. I understand that some of you may have some sort of reply to what I have to say, however I really could care less. you have already shown yourselves to be less than "american", or even "Christian" if you believe yourselves to be such. your words disgust me and disgrace the uniform that I wear. I understand and respect what you have to say, but my opinion remains the same. I am disappointed that such words are bandied when it seems those bandying words have no true understanding of the religion or culture they are trading words about. I have said my piece, you are all now welcome to rip it apart and attempt to tear me down because something I said hurt or irritated your wee little mind. tongue eeek

SGT Barbee



I may have some sort of reply to what you have to say, but I'm really not sure what the hell you're saying.

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