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legionnaire

legionnaire

United Kingdom
November 2003

DEC 01, 2006 03:20 PM

Now that they're on their way out the door (with a Democratic boot up their asses) the GOP congress has a chance to really show its legislative priorities, since there's no issue of reelection any more. And what exactly are they championing? The "fetal pain abortion bill," an attempt to legislate science claiming that 20-week-old fetuses are capable of perceiving pain, all the while neglecting nine overdue spending bills.



The bill, by Rep. Chris Smith, R-N.J., defines a 20-week-old fetus as a "pain-capable unborn child," a highly controversial threshold among scientists. It also directs the Health and Human Service Department to develop a brochure stating "that there is substantial evidence that the process of being killed in an abortion will cause the unborn child pain."



Forget the fact that the bill is based on bad science, it plays well politically, and tha'ts all that matters in this case.



As mentioned, despite the push to get this approved, there are currently nine spending bills sitting around, waiting to be approved since before the last congressional recess with no action being taken on them. What are the consequences of that? Worse than you might think.

A spokesman for incoming Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., called it "pathetic" that GOP leaders were punting their work to the next Congress. House Appropriations Chairman Jerry Lewis, R-Calif., called it a "catastrophe," while a spokeswoman for Senate Appropriations Chairman Thad Cochran, R-Miss., said it would be "irresponsible."



Housing and Urban Development Department funding would not keep pace with demand for low-income housing vouchers, meaning "literally thousands of people would be out in the street," one source said. School breakfast and lunch programs would face a $1 billion shortfall, cutting off 1.2 million participants. The Veterans Health Administration would have to absorb the $3 billion increase to meet this year's requirements.



So low income housing, veterans' health and school lunches are getting the shaft. It's just a continuation of the trend that Republicans seem to only care about people until they're born. If anyone needed a refresher as to why the American people rejected the Republican party this past election, they need look no further.

bairdduvessa

bairdduvessa

Centerville, MA
April 2005

DEC 01, 2006 07:06 PM

sigh

DieWhiteGirls

DieWhiteGirls

Madison, WI
July 2005

DEC 01, 2006 07:14 PM

I thought that 2nd trimester abortions were illegal.

soulcompromise

soulcompromise

I'm lost
November 2006

DEC 01, 2006 07:47 PM

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/after_12_weeks.html

"Despite the claims of some anti-abortion activists, women have access to abortion in the third trimester only in extreme circumstances. Fewer than 2% of abortions are performed 21 weeks or after, and they are extremely rare after 26 weeks of pregnancy. Very few abortions are provided in the third trimester, and they are generally limited to cases of severe fetal abnormalities or situations when the life or health of the pregnant woman is seriously threatened."
- (website listed above)

I think if people knew more about abortion they might be on their toes a little bit more about when to get one and what to look for and such. I personally don't want to have kids yet and if I had a gf and she got pregnant, I would support or even suggest her getting one. I don't see anything wrong with that bill, as long as it mentions the fact that most abortions in this day are performed before 20 weeks. If they want someone to hand out a ProLife ad disguised as an informative pamphlet that's different. Just telling someone that information by itself might scare someone off who may benefit significantly from not having a baby at the time of their pregnancy.

DieWhiteGirls

DieWhiteGirls

Madison, WI
July 2005

DEC 01, 2006 07:50 PM

soulcompromise said:
http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/after_12_weeks.html

"Despite the claims of some anti-abortion activists, women have access to abortion in the third trimester only in extreme circumstances. Fewer than 2% of abortions are performed 21 weeks or after, and they are extremely rare after 26 weeks of pregnancy. Very few abortions are provided in the third trimester, and they are generally limited to cases of severe fetal abnormalities or situations when the life or health of the pregnant woman is seriously threatened."
- (website listed above)

I think if people knew more about abortion they might be on their toes a little bit more about when to get one and what to look for and such. I personally don't want to have kids yet and if I had a gf and she got pregnant, I would support or even suggest her getting one. I don't see anything wrong with that bill, as long as it mentions the fact that most abortions in this day are performed before 20 weeks. If they want someone to hand out a ProLife ad disguised as an informative pamphlet that's different. Just telling someone that information by itself might scare someone off who may benefit significantly from not having a baby at the time of their pregnancy.



Thank you! So it seems that this legislature is *mostly* useless anyway.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

Charleston, SC
August 2004

DEC 01, 2006 08:01 PM

calling a bill that's 98% useless "mostly useless" is something of an understatement. biggrin

also, it's good to see that somebody finally understands that the unborn are more important than the impoverished, the young and the wounded. values indeed.

DieWhiteGirls

DieWhiteGirls

Madison, WI
July 2005

DEC 01, 2006 08:05 PM

MrCrisp said:
calling a bill that's 98% useless "mostly useless" is something of an understatement. biggrin

also, it's good to see that somebody finally understands that the unborn are more important than the impoverished, the young and the wounded. values indeed.



In reality, I meant entirely useless, but even from a conservative standpoint it's mostly useless. But yes, mostly doesn't encompass 98% very well.

mamet

mamet

Charleston, SC
March 2005

DEC 01, 2006 08:10 PM

Seems about right. whatever

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

Charleston, SC
August 2004

DEC 01, 2006 08:16 PM

DieWhiteGirls said:
In reality, I meant entirely useless, but even from a conservative standpoint it's mostly useless. But yes, mostly doesn't encompass 98% very well.



from a conservative point, practicality and priorities are mostly useless. and they're pretty good at churning out those unnecessary bills at an excruciatingly slow pace. the colossal failure of the outgoing republican majority is quite an interesting achievement. surreal

Holden_Caulfield

Holden_Caulfield

Ann Arbor, MI
April 2004

DEC 01, 2006 09:02 PM

FYI: "Government" is misspelled in the thread title. wink

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

DEC 01, 2006 09:21 PM

legionnaire said:
House Appropriations Chairman Jerry Lewis, R-Calif., called it a "catastrophe,"



You know, it was bad enough when you California Republicans gave us President Reagan and Gov. Schwartzeneggar.

Do we really need this guy running House Appropriations?

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

DEC 02, 2006 04:55 AM

They are leaving the spending bills undone on purpose. They are doing it so that the Dems have to focus on that when they come in, instead of the 100 days agenda.

geo35

geo35

Minneapolis, MN
January 2003

DEC 02, 2006 05:31 AM

We keep hearing about how happy we should be that Americans have finally awakened and the Democrats have planted their boots up Republican asses. Not so fast...

This country is still split right down the middle. I think if fewer than 100,000 votes across a handful of different states had swung the other way, the senate would still be in the hands of what one writer called "the Knights of the fetal citizen."

We've still got a long way to go.

In "Letter to a Christian Nation," Sam Harris said this: "one can reasonably wonder whether most aborted fetuses suffer their destruction on any level. One cannot reasonably wonder this about the millions of men, women, and children who must endure the torments of war, famine, political torture, or mental illness. At this very moment, millions of sentient people are suffering unimaginable physical and mental afflictions, in circumstances where the compassion of God is nowhere to be seen, and the compassion of human beings is often hobbled by preposterous ideas about sin and salvation. If you are worried about human suffering, abortion should rank very low on your list of concerns."

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

DEC 02, 2006 06:37 AM

geo35 said:
We keep hearing about how happy we should be that Americans have finally awakened and the Democrats have planted their boots up Republican asses. Not so fast...

This country is still split right down the middle. I think if fewer than 100,000 votes across a handful of different states had swung the other way, the senate would still be in the hands of what one writer called "the Knights of the fetal citizen."

We've still got a long way to go.

In "Letter to a Christian Nation," Sam Harris said this: "one can reasonably wonder whether most aborted fetuses suffer their destruction on any level. One cannot reasonably wonder this about the millions of men, women, and children who must endure the torments of war, famine, political torture, or mental illness. At this very moment, millions of sentient people are suffering unimaginable physical and mental afflictions, in circumstances where the compassion of God is nowhere to be seen, and the compassion of human beings is often hobbled by preposterous ideas about sin and salvation. If you are worried about human suffering, abortion should rank very low on your list of concerns."



But you see, for the mindless idiots for whom "fetal pain" is a big issue, that issue serves to help them cope with the broadness of human suffering by focusing on some minute immaterial aspect of it so that they can feel like they are "doing something" about the suffering in the world.

Solving the worlds problems takes positive energy, hard work and a commitment to addressing the inequities in our society - it is much easier to pass mindless legislation and shout at women as they enter reproductive health facilities.

There is also this: for the "born again" amongst us, action to help the suffering of the world boils down to getting them to "accept Jesus Christ as their, blah, blah, blah." The "lord" then takes care of the rest, since, although they may suffer in this world, they will have a cushy place in Sony Heavenworld.

The fact that this also constitutes the easy way out, never occurs to these dolts, since introspection is anathema.

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

DEC 02, 2006 05:13 PM

I like the subtle and smart use of "fiddled" in the title.