Misogynist, hateful bigots who force their women to dress up in creepy black beekeeper outfits in order to ensure no other men look at any part of their women are finding the traditional Dutch tolerance running thin. Even though the Dutch have decriminalized almost all victimless crimes in their country, like prostitution and marijuana sales, earning themselves a reputation as the most tolerant culture on the planet, they have decided Islam's misogynistic ideologies don't deserve the same tolerance.
While the decision caused an outcry from a group representing Muslims in the Netherlands, the move towards Europes first national ban on the wearing of full Muslim dress in public is not regarded as particularly controversial within the country.
In traditional Islamic law, rape cannot be proven unless four males testify as witnesses (Sura 24:4 and 24:13). In other words, raped women cannot get justice anywhere Islamic law prevails. More horrifying still, a woman who has the courage to say she was raped, and fails to produce the four male witnesses (which is obviously almost always the case), ends up being punished because her accusation is regarded as an admission of pre-marital sex or adultery. And this is why seventy-five percent of the women in prison in Pakistan are behind bars for the crime of being a victim of rape.
In Holland, myriad women now bear the horrible scar that has infamously become known as "smiley," whereby one side of the face is cut up from mouth to ear - a war mark left by Muslim rapists as a warning to other women who don't veil themselves.
In France, the phenomenon of Muslim gang rape as punishment for non-veiling even has a word to describe it: "tournante" (take your turn). In areas where Muslims form the majority (i.e. the Muslim suburb of Courneuve, France), even non-Muslim women feel pressured to veil themselves in fear of Muslim sexual and physical punishment.
I hate to be overly PC, but is it really that hard to distinguish fundamentalists from other muslims?
Muslim religious leaders say that women who do not cover their entire body in public deserve to be raped and that this new law will only encourage more sexual assaults.
That's like saying Christian leaders are in favor of killing all homosexuals. Sure, some of them are, but they're called exremists to distinguish them from rational human beings.
And it's really hard to take a man who writes
European nations such as Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Scandinavia
It's a shame that the serious points of violence against women are buried in a bunch of hate-speech nonsense.
It's impossible to prosecute men under sharia law, but (as has been said on SG before) it's pretty fucking hard to get a prosecution -let alone a conviction- under UK law. Only about 6% of UK rape cases get a conviction.
In Holland, myriad women now bear the horrible scar that has infamously become known as "smiley," whereby one side of the face is cut up from mouth to ear - a war mark left by Muslim rapists as a warning to other women who don't veil themselves.
I'd be interested to see any reliable source showing the numbers of women bearing scars like this. On the other hand, "honour violence" (including acid burns) is well documented.
meh, personally i'm just annoyed that i can get fined for not being able to identify myself at any moment in public while someone can still get away with wearing a full face concealing burka while doing so.
they could be three midgets sitting on each others shoulders under there but im the one getting fined if i forget my ID. (which also incurs a rather hefty fine if i happen to lose it because i have to carry it everywhere)
In Holland, myriad women now bear the horrible scar that has infamously become known as "smiley," whereby one side of the face is cut up from mouth to ear - a war mark left by Muslim rapists as a warning to other women who don't veil themselves.
In France, the phenomenon of Muslim gang rape as punishment for non-veiling even has a word to describe it: "tournante" (take your turn). In areas where Muslims form the majority (i.e. the Muslim suburb of Courneuve, France), even non-Muslim women feel pressured to veil themselves in fear of Muslim sexual and physical punishment.
Religion is plain stupid and goes against
all common sense and practicality.
Come on humans, evolve.
Time and time again, I get tired of
hearing of all the negative bullshit
that it bears on us.
well, I get used to it periodically,
but come on. Its been a couple thousand
years. Pull yer heads out of your asses.
Sorry but it looks like you didnt read well enough into this before posting that link. "Tournante" is referred to as initiation into gangs or also as hate crimes using sex as a weapon. SO before you put Muslim in the same sentence as tournante make sure you read the whole article and not what you wanted to read. Because as the article states in bold letters. It was racial rape not religious rape. Even though they are both heinous, lets get all the facts before we go jumping of the deep end.
Sorry but it looks like you didnt read well enough into this before posting that link. "Tournante" is referred to as initiation into gangs or also as hate crimes using sex as a weapon. SO before you put Muslim in the same sentence as tournante make sure you read the whole article and not what you wanted to read. Because as the article states in bold letters. It was racial rape not religious rape. Even though they are both heinous, lets get all the facts before we go jumping of the deep end.
he asked what the word was referring to I simply posted a relevant article discussing it. I never said they were muslem either.
I say every country follows this with the permanet removal of the burka from all women forcing them to show there race to that they can be identified this will force these ppl to either acknowlege the civil rights of everyone or send them back to their traditional lands where they can all rot in tartarus for all I can.
In Holland, myriad women now bear the horrible scar that has infamously become known as "smiley," whereby one side of the face is cut up from mouth to ear - a war mark left by Muslim rapists as a warning to other women who don't veil themselves.
In France, the phenomenon of Muslim gang rape as punishment for non-veiling even has a word to describe it: "tournante" (take your turn). In areas where Muslims form the majority (i.e. the Muslim suburb of Courneuve, France), even non-Muslim women feel pressured to veil themselves in fear of Muslim sexual and physical punishment.
Truly appalling.
uhm yeah right, never heard of it or seen it.
where are they hiding this veritable plethora of scarred women, my country isn't that big.
Sorry but it looks like you didnt read well enough into this before posting that link. "Tournante" is referred to as initiation into gangs or also as hate crimes using sex as a weapon. SO before you put Muslim in the same sentence as tournante make sure you read the whole article and not what you wanted to read. Because as the article states in bold letters. It was racial rape not religious rape. Even though they are both heinous, lets get all the facts before we go jumping of the deep end.
he asked what the word was referring to I simply posted a relevant article discussing it. I never said they were muslem either.
I didnt mean to sound condescending or asshole like but people kill me attacking the muslim faith for thier beliefs but no one said shit about christians when that guy blew up the federal building in colorodo and killed all those people and the kids in the day care. That was terrorism but I guess we can sweep that under the rug. Every religon has thier reign of terror, no religion can say that havent. But to keep adding fuel to the fire doesnt help.
Once again sorry colin, didnt mean to get my panties all in a bunch.
dem_z said:
It's impossible to prosecute men under sharia law, but (as has been said on SG before) it's pretty fucking hard to get a prosecution -let alone a conviction- under UK law. Only about 6% of UK rape cases get a conviction.
Even though the Dutch have decriminalized almost all victimless crimes in their country, like prostitution and marijuana sales, earning themselves a reputation as the most tolerant culture on the planet...
Gee. Could the fact that they've just voted to ban the burqa possibly mean that they are not in fact the most tolerant culture on the planet?
Sorry but it looks like you didnt read well enough into this before posting that link. "Tournante" is referred to as initiation into gangs or also as hate crimes using sex as a weapon. SO before you put Muslim in the same sentence as tournante make sure you read the whole article and not what you wanted to read. Because as the article states in bold letters. It was racial rape not religious rape. Even though they are both heinous, lets get all the facts before we go jumping of the deep end.
he asked what the word was referring to I simply posted a relevant article discussing it. I never said they were muslem either.
I didnt mean to sound condescending or asshole like but people kill me attacking the muslim faith for thier beliefs but no one said shit about christians when that guy blew up the federal building in colorodo and killed all those people and the kids in the day care. That was terrorism but I guess we can sweep that under the rug. Every religon has thier reign of terror, no religion can say that havent. But to keep adding fuel to the fire doesnt help.
Once again sorry colin, didnt mean to get my panties all in a bunch.
True enough, tho I will change gears on you a bit and ask you this, and this. How many terrorist attacks are committed in the name of Islam as opposed to Christianity, you don't see massive numbers of abortion clinics being blown up every day. Most terrorist attacks are carried out in the name of Islam, and it's a problem for everyone. The sooner Moslems deal with it in their own house and move forward into the 21st century and stop tolerating this medieval crap the better. There is a real danger of this continuing more and morein western countries, and if it does eventually steps will be taken that will make Iraq look like a walk in the park, Both the US and Europeans have histories of dealing with unwanted populations of people and it only takes so long before those voices are going to sound alot more sane again. Edited to add hell all countries have histories of doing that sort of thing to unwanted peoples.
Not advocating that last part, just pointing it out.
Sorry but it looks like you didnt read well enough into this before posting that link. "Tournante" is referred to as initiation into gangs or also as hate crimes using sex as a weapon. SO before you put Muslim in the same sentence as tournante make sure you read the whole article and not what you wanted to read. Because as the article states in bold letters. It was racial rape not religious rape. Even though they are both heinous, lets get all the facts before we go jumping of the deep end.
he asked what the word was referring to I simply posted a relevant article discussing it. I never said they were muslem either.
I didnt mean to sound condescending or asshole like but people kill me attacking the muslim faith for thier beliefs but no one said shit about christians when that guy blew up the federal building in colorodo and killed all those people and the kids in the day care. That was terrorism but I guess we can sweep that under the rug. Every religon has thier reign of terror, no religion can say that havent. But to keep adding fuel to the fire doesnt help.
Once again sorry colin, didnt mean to get my panties all in a bunch.
Mmm...well, in fairness...people DID get their panties in a pretty big bunch when that shit happened, however, that stuff isn't happening every fuckin' week either. I've tried counting the days between news reports of suicide bombing attacks...and I haven't got to seven yet. And I'm ONLY counting suicide bombings (not IEDs).
Granted, I usually argue that the source of the suicide bombers has more to do with "religious" leaders with political/power based ulterior motives manipulating young idiots suffering from severe social, economic and educational repression...and doesn't legitimately have anything more to do with Islam than Bush's policies have anything to do with Christendom...but, that aside...
However, to the subject at hand...I have a simple solution.
The "Berettas for Burqas" campaign!! Turn in your Burqa, get a nice shiny gun. "What? You want to bust a nut in me for not wearing a veil? Hows about bust a cap in you first?"
Even though the Dutch have decriminalized almost all victimless crimes in their country, like prostitution and marijuana sales, earning themselves a reputation as the most tolerant culture on the planet...
Gee. Could the fact that they've just voted to ban the burqa possibly mean that they are not in fact the most tolerant culture on the planet?
dem_z said:
It's a shame that the serious points of violence against women are buried in a bunch of hate-speech nonsense.
It's impossible to prosecute men under sharia law, but (as has been said on SG before) it's pretty fucking hard to get a prosecution -let alone a conviction- under UK law. Only about 6% of UK rape cases get a conviction.
Mmm...I think I may have to argue this one too.
The reason the majority of rape cases in the U.S. and U.K. fail to come to successful prosecution has to do with the victims failing to pursue, and the difficulty of (potentially idiotic) juries being able to discern between "unwanted sex" and "post sexual regret" (not taking into consideration the general difficulties apparent in ALL criminal cases, like the complete unreliability of memory and eye witnesses.)
I, personally, think the horrific conviction rate for rape in the U.K. and U.S. is a travesty...however, there is a huge difference between that and an "infallible" religious doctrine creating not only an impossible to meet burden of proof, but setting the stage for anyone who comes forward and then fails this impossible burden of proof then getting punished for the attempt (I.E. if you charge rape, and fail the proof, then you are - ipso fact - admitting to infidelity/fornication.)
Sorry...that's just fucking bullshit....no matter HOW you slice it.
Shitty "jounalism"... False figures, invented, grossly misquoted or overated "facts"...
"Tournantes" are actually someting the French "imported" from the US gangstas : gang bangs as punishment. And there are perpetrated by gangs of sex-starved / porn-fed young males gangsters, regardless of race. And recent research on the subject suggest that "rape in reunion" rate is not actually exploding as the media want us to think.
"Smileys" ? To paraphrase a current joke: three does not a myriad make.
I'm interested in seeing the Dutch getting less tolerant, may be they will stop tolerating right-wing extremists too in the future. We can dream.
Sean
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Los Angeles, CA
NOV 18, 2006 10:21 AM