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legionnaire

legionnaire

United Kingdom
November 2003

JUL 17, 2006 12:06 PM

The first thing that comes to mind for most people when hearing the words "Dutch Pedophile Party" is probably not a political organization. Nevertheless, the PVND (Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity party) is an active, nominally libertarian political party in the Netherlands, whose platform primarily focuses on the individual liberties, and the liberties of children. Specifically, their right to have sex (the PVND advocates lowering the age of consent in Holland from 16 to 12 and eventually abolishing it), use drugs and choose a place of residence. Given the trepidation normally felt by politicos when they're even mentioned on the same newspaper page as the word "pedophile" it's not entirely surprising that the PVND has caused something of a stir. However, despite protestations from groups seeking to ban the party, a Dutch court has ruled that the PVND can exist and will not be subjected to a government ban, despite widespread support for one.



"The freedom of expression, the freedom of assembly and the freedom of association ... should be seen as the foundations of the democratic rule of law and the PNVD is also entitled to these freedoms," the court said in a statement.



The court said these freedoms were not unlimited, but limits to them could only apply to activities that undermined public order and judges could not take lightly a decision to ban a political party.



"It is up to the voter to give a judgment on the arguments of political parties," Judge H. Hofhuis told the court.



Despite my disgust with pedophilia, I'm with the court on this one. Banning political parties can sometimes have the unfortunate side effect of giving what would under normal circumstances be a highly marginalized group a bigger voice, and an aura of matyrdom as they fight against the government for their own existence. These battles are best fought at the court of public opinion in the voting booth. It's hard to imagine many people coming out to support the election of many PVND candidates for parliament given the notoriety that the party has received so far, and we're much more likely to see the party die a death of obscurity when none of their candidates is elected to parliament. So let the group exist, and let the people's opinion be heard when they have a chance to vote against them in a national election. Dragging in the government to police ideas, even horrifically bad ones, just gives them an aura of legitimacy that's best left alone.

boygirlpartay

boygirlpartay

San Diego, CA
June 2006

JUL 17, 2006 04:04 PM

legionnaire for president.. of the world!

Signon

Signon

Austin, TX
June 2005

JUL 17, 2006 04:08 PM

Besides, these people are volunteering for scrutiny. Think of how many kids'll get saved from that alone.

Fatality

Fatality

SUICIDEGIRL

Connecticut, USA

JUL 17, 2006 04:42 PM

I'm a huge fan of this decision

SicilianSnake

SicilianSnake

Puyallup, WA
May 2006

JUL 17, 2006 05:01 PM

I hate to say it but thats old news man.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 17, 2006 05:18 PM

SicilianSnake said:
I hate to say it but thats old news man.



Oh?

Dutch court rejects ban of pedophile party
By Emma Thomasson
Reuters
Monday, July 17, 2006; 9:26 AM



I guess, you know, reading the article to figure out what it's actually about (the ban, and the court's striking down of it) is far too much effort for someone who's so right on top of all the latest news.

Darke

Darke

Trego, WI
June 2005

JUL 17, 2006 05:22 PM

I'm all for letting pedophiles gather together to meet and come up with political strategy... It's a lot less destructive to firebomb the meeting house rather than individual homes. mad

Nixie

Nixie

United Kingdom
March 2006

JUL 17, 2006 05:39 PM

It's hard to imagine many people coming out to support the election of many PVND candidates for parliament given the notoriety that the party has received so far, and we're much more likely to see the party die a death of obscurity when none of their candidates is elected to parliament.



That's exactly what people said about the BNP (British National Party)

Wikipedia

Enough said.

jason

jason

USA
August 2002

JUL 17, 2006 05:45 PM

this will fix em.


dkmfc

dkmfc

Germany
January 2003

JUL 17, 2006 05:58 PM

jason said:
this will fix em.




all I see is adobe reader 7.0.
maybe I'm just too shitty on amstels right now, but I don't get it.

Fatality

Fatality

SUICIDEGIRL

Connecticut, USA

JUL 17, 2006 06:00 PM

Darke said:
I'm all for letting pedophiles gather together to meet and come up with political strategy... It's a lot less destructive to firebomb the meeting house rather than individual homes. mad



That's disgusting

DanTheGreater

DanTheGreater

Anacortes, WA
November 2004

JUL 17, 2006 06:07 PM

Fatality said:

Darke said:
I'm all for letting pedophiles gather together to meet and come up with political strategy... It's a lot less destructive to firebomb the meeting house rather than individual homes. mad



That's disgusting



No, pedophiles are disgusting.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 17, 2006 06:08 PM

DanTheGreater said:

Fatality said:

Darke said:
I'm all for letting pedophiles gather together to meet and come up with political strategy... It's a lot less destructive to firebomb the meeting house rather than individual homes. mad



That's disgusting



No, pedophiles are disgusting.


Yeah, and mass murder is so much more enlightened.

Fatality

Fatality

SUICIDEGIRL

Connecticut, USA

JUL 17, 2006 06:09 PM

bean said:

DanTheGreater said:

Fatality said:

Darke said:
I'm all for letting pedophiles gather together to meet and come up with political strategy... It's a lot less destructive to firebomb the meeting house rather than individual homes. mad



That's disgusting



No, pedophiles are disgusting.


Yeah, and mass murder is so much more enlightened.



Yeah, guess we didn't get that bulletin

DanTheGreater

DanTheGreater

Anacortes, WA
November 2004

JUL 17, 2006 06:16 PM

Fatality said:

bean said:

DanTheGreater said:

Fatality said:

Darke said:
I'm all for letting pedophiles gather together to meet and come up with political strategy... It's a lot less destructive to firebomb the meeting house rather than individual homes. mad



That's disgusting



No, pedophiles are disgusting.


Yeah, and mass murder is so much more enlightened.



Yeah, guess we didn't get that bulletin



It's good to know that there are people out there who are concerned for the well being and political freedom of pedophiles. It's too bad so few seem to care about the children they prey on.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

JUL 17, 2006 06:21 PM

bean said:

SicilianSnake said:
I hate to say it but thats old news man.



Oh?

Dutch court rejects ban of pedophile party
By Emma Thomasson
Reuters
Monday, July 17, 2006; 9:26 AM



I guess, you know, reading the article to figure out what it's actually about (the ban, and the court's striking down of it) is far too much effort for someone who's so right on top of all the latest news.



I think he was talking about this.

Fatality

Fatality

SUICIDEGIRL

Connecticut, USA

JUL 17, 2006 06:22 PM

DanTheGreater said:
It's good to know that there are people out there who are concerned for the well being and political freedom of pedophiles. It's too bad so few seem to care about the children they prey on.



Yeah, so few...despite the fact that it's the topic that most Americans get the most inflamed about...

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUL 17, 2006 06:24 PM

DanTheGreater said:
It's good to know that there are people out there who are concerned for the well being and political freedom of pedophiles. It's too bad so few seem to care about the children they prey on.



False Dilemma.

Fatality

Fatality

SUICIDEGIRL

Connecticut, USA

JUL 17, 2006 06:24 PM

Here are some of my old posts on the topic

Fatality

Fatality

SUICIDEGIRL

Connecticut, USA

JUL 17, 2006 06:25 PM

Subrosa said:

DanTheGreater said:
It's good to know that there are people out there who are concerned for the well being and political freedom of pedophiles. It's too bad so few seem to care about the children they prey on.



False Dilemma.



I love logic

hadees

hadees

Austin, TX
December 2003

JUL 17, 2006 06:27 PM

DanTheGreater said:

Fatality said:

bean said:

DanTheGreater said:

Fatality said:

Darke said:
I'm all for letting pedophiles gather together to meet and come up with political strategy... It's a lot less destructive to firebomb the meeting house rather than individual homes. mad



That's disgusting



No, pedophiles are disgusting.


Yeah, and mass murder is so much more enlightened.



Yeah, guess we didn't get that bulletin



It's good to know that there are people out there who are concerned for the well being and political freedom of pedophiles. It's too bad so few seem to care about the children they prey on.



So if they prey on children lock them up. No one is concered for their rights persay but if they loose rights then who is next? and then who? Everyone either has rights are none of us do.

SicilianSnake

SicilianSnake

Puyallup, WA
May 2006

JUL 17, 2006 06:29 PM

Clov said:

bean said:

SicilianSnake said:
I hate to say it but thats old news man.



Oh?

Dutch court rejects ban of pedophile party
By Emma Thomasson
Reuters
Monday, July 17, 2006; 9:26 AM



I guess, you know, reading the article to figure out what it's actually about (the ban, and the court's striking down of it) is far too much effort for someone who's so right on top of all the latest news.



I think he was talking about this.



Yup. That was exactly what I was talking about

DanTheGreater

DanTheGreater

Anacortes, WA
November 2004

JUL 17, 2006 06:29 PM

hadees said:

So if they prey on children lock them up. No one is concered for their rights persay but if they loose rights then who is next? and then who? Everyone either has rights are none of us do.




No one should have a right to have sex with 12 year old children.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

JUL 17, 2006 06:29 PM

per se

Necia

Necia

San Francisco, CA
August 2005

JUL 17, 2006 06:34 PM

Fatality said:

Subrosa said:

DanTheGreater said:
It's good to know that there are people out there who are concerned for the well being and political freedom of pedophiles. It's too bad so few seem to care about the children they prey on.



False Dilemma.



I love logic



Psh. You people would love logic.

The rest of us know better. Logic has NO place on teh intarweb. Srsly.

confused

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