The whole idea of a "punk scene" seems pretty counter intuitive to me. The idea that there is a clique of people who claim to be non conformists is outright silly. and even big debates about who is more "punk" or what not annoys the hell out of me. Why cant people just accept that everyone has their own thoughts on everything and whether or not it may appeal to them its theres to have, its one of the few things that cant be taken away. I claim to be a realist but in all actuality I am an idealist, hence the socialism. I realise in modern society it would never work, but in an ideal society it would be much better then any democracy could claim to be. Utopia