Peter Bagge has been one of the funniest cartoonists in America for so long its hard to remember when it was otherwise. In comics like Neat Stuff in the 1980s and Hate in the 1990s he skewered the nuclear family, the grunge scene in Seattle, getting older, and life in America. Since then hes written two series for DC Comics, Yeah! and Sweatshop and wrote and illustrated two stories for Marvel Comics skewering their heroes in The Megalomaniacal Spider-man and The Incorrigible Hulk. Hes also been a regular contributor to Reason magazine and many of his political cartoons are collected in his book, Everybody Is Stupid Except For Me and Other Astute Observations.
Bagges most recent project is Other Lives which was just released from Vertigo. The story of four characters who reinvent themselves in one way or another, both on and off-line. Whether its about fantasy in Second Life, parents lying to children and spouses, or just the lies we all tell ourselves, its all fodder for Bagge. What follows is an edited conversation with Bagge about the book, his new historical comics for Reason magazine and more.
ALEX DUEBEN: The first thing I noted about your new book was that the cover reads Peter Bagges Other Lives and I thought the possessive was very interesting.
PETER BAGGE: Right. For some reason my prior publisher Fantagraphics always did that. They used to insist that thats how we title our comics, so for all the years that I did Hate Comics it was always Peter Bagges Hate, so for some reason DC did the same thing with this book. I dont know if they were just trying to emulate the way my former publisher always titled it or not.
AD: I was thinking about how every character is a part of themselves and it adds another layer this story of multiple identities.
PB: Oh, I see what youre getting at. (laughs)
AD: Weve just started and Im already too much into things. Why dont I just ask where the idea for the book started?
PB: I think I first got onto the internet back in 1995 or so. This is back when the internet and AOL were practically synonymous. A friend of mine who isnt gay at all, is 100% straight, he said that he would go onto these chat rooms and pretend he was a woman and hook up with straight men. I go, are you the only person who does that and he said no Im sure a lot of guys do that. I said dont you think they suspect that and he said, well, its all fantasy so what difference does it make to them? And I said dont you ever wonder if they if you go on and hook up with a woman that it might be a guy and he said, I dont care, I dont see them.
So from that point on I was always very much aware of how you could change your sex for half an hour on the internet. And I hadnt been on that virtual community second life yet, but Id been hearing about it and I had read about it and it seemed to be the epitome of this fantasy life. Hence the name, second life. So when I pitched the idea to DC I was thinking about all these things, not just the way people alter their identities on the internet, although the internet makes that incredibly easy to do so, but that people have always done that and there are reasons why they do that, pretend to be somebody else. Or fantasize about being somebody else. And DC liked the idea, so here I pitched an idea that had a lot to do with Second Life but Id never been on it. I immediately got an account and went on it just to explore and it was much weirder than I ever imagined. (laughs) Have you ever been on it?
AD: No, I never have. Reading your book I kept wondering just how strange it was.
PB: Yes its that strange. Without a doubt. I spent six months on it and I was always very much a voyeur. I could barely converse with people and if I did, my avatar would go up to them and ask what theyre doing and why are they dressed that way, whats this area all about. More often than not, people wouldnt answer. They would just completely ignore me. (laughs) Thats the other thing, too. Just to see what it was like, I would tweak with my avatar. At one point I made my avatar African-American. That was very interesting because literally no one would talk to me. (laughs) Racisms alive and well here in Second life. Nobody would say boo to me. It wasnt even like I was scary looking. I looked like Barack Obama. (laughs)
But the other thing to is, I didnt even attempt to get as much out of Second Life as you could and I eventually got bored with it. You can go through tutorials and very quickly learn how to build. Using virtual money you can buy a chunk of land and do whatever you want with it. You can make it a sandpit. You can make it Mount Everest. You can make it a shopping mall. But you would build it yourself. You would build the structures yourself and the more you practice that the more you can learn to do. You can eventually learn to make glass walls and learn how to make a car. Needless to say theres a lot of people who are fascinated with that. Computer programmers would do amazing miraculous things. For example, make a totally workable dragon that you could ride on, which I used in the comic. I had zero interest in building. I think I built a box and got bored. And that was that.
The other thing too is doing business on it. The most obvious thing would be designing clothes that your avatar would buy. Theres places you can go to get free clothing, but its pretty goofy junky stuff. But lets say to give an obvious example you were really into very elaborate Victorian goth look. There are virtual clothing designers and they make money selling this to you. The money is called lindens. Very quickly people started converting lindens into real money. Theres an actual exchange rate. If you do enough business, you can make pretty good money. I read a story about this one woman who bought tons of land. She used real money, because you need real money to get lindens. You convert your actual dollars into linden money. So she bought tons of land then waited. Its just like in real world. As the place got more and more populated she started selling the land that she bought to other people. For ten, twenty, fifty, one hundred times more than she paid for it. And in real life got rich with real money. (laughs) But thats the other thing to is that I was not going to bother to start any kind of a business. I didnt have anything to offer anyway other than.
AD: This is the first book youve done just as stand alone of this length.
PB: Pretty much. Before this I did a book called Apocalypse Nerd. The idea was that it would be a graphic novel but that publisher, Dark Horse, allowed me to serialize it so it came out as a six issue miniseries before collecting it as a book. I wanted to do that with this book too I really wanted it to come out as a comicbook and then bunch it all together as a graphic novel but they wouldnt do that. They just dont make money from comicbooks is the problem.
AD: Was it a different experience thinking in terms of one large hundred something page chunk?
PB: Yes. It was very hard. There I was on page ninety-seven and nobody has seen a page of it. Having the public see pieces of it and getting feedback while working on it. It gives you an idea of whats working and what isnt. It can be devastating, too, when youre that invested in something thats very long and youre releasing it piecemeal and the public hates it. (laughs) It also gives you a chance to correct things and clarify things as you go along.
AD: Youve done some work for DC before this. The series Yeah! and Sweatshop. How did you end up here especially after your last book was at Dark Horse?
PB: With each one of those titles it was always one of the editors from DC called me up and asked me to throw some ideas at them. Thats how Yeah! started with Shelley Bond, back then she was Shelley Roeberg, she just asked me to try to come up with an idea and we did a lot of back and forth before it wound up being Yeah! And then with Sweatshop, it was an editor named Joey Cavalieri. Same thing, he just called me up saying Ive got this small window of opportunity where theyre willing to develop another humor series, so we came up with Sweatshop. With Other Lives, it was an editor whos no longer with DC named Bob Schreck who he asked me to come up with a graphic novel idea for Vertigo and that evolved into Other Lives.
AD: As far as your other projects, The Incorrigible Hulk finally saw print recently.
PB: Thats right. (laughs) Eight years later.
AD: Because you did that to come out around the time of the first Hulk movie, the Ang Lee one. And now its finally come out as part of the Marvel Strange Tales anthology.
PB: It all had to do with changing ownership. Back around the year 2000 or so, Marvel was doing terrible and they reached this point of, what do we have to lose, lets just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. Nobody foresaw how huge a hit that first Spider-man movie would be, but they figured with the Spider-man movie coming out, lets exploit it as much as possible. I think that month fifteen different Spider-man titles came out, including mine. They gave me almost total creative freedom. That wound up doing pretty well and they made money off it. I mean how could you not? Its Spider-man. So they decided they would keep doing the same thing. The next one was going to be a Hulk movie and well put out a ton of Hulk merchandise and well do another Pete Bagge humor satire of it. Meanwhile because of the massive success of Spider-man and I cant remember the names of the owners but whoever owned Marvel prior to the Spider-man movie sold to another company whose name I dont remember either. These new owners paid a fortune for the rights to the Marvel characters and when they saw me doing this Hulk comic, which largely was making fun of the Hulk, they freaked out. They insisted that we water down the story quite a bit and edit it. For example we couldnt use the word drugs. Im not talking about illegal drugs, Im talking about cold medicine. We couldnt use legal drugs. As in the drug store. (laughs)
AD: The plot of the book, for people who dont know, is that the Hulk is in therapy and taking psychiatric medication to deal with his rage and other maladies.
PB: And they wouldnt let us use the word viagra. We were like, what are we going to do? So instead of using the word drug we used the word serum (laughs) which is kind of hilarious. They let us finish the book but then once it was all done and I got paid in full, they said, were not going to release it. The whole time the company owned it they refused to released it. So now Marvel got bought out by Disney and whoever the top honchos are they let them release it albeit under this other format.
AD: It really is too bad they didnt let you keep doing these because I would have loved to see you skewer Iron Man.
PB: Yeah that was going to be one of them when it still looked like we were going to keep doing this. I would have liked that too. (laughs) It would have been a masterpiece.
AD: One of your big projects over the past decade or so seems to be Reason magazine.
PB: I just turned in my first feature with them in a long time. Its very different from what Ive done with them in the past. Im going to do a series of biography comic strips and its mainly based on writers from the past who have a very libertarian bent to their worldview and thinking. Im pretty much doing a series of bios of creative people who were libertarian before that terms took hold. The first one is about an author not a household name at all but its about an author named Isabel Paterson.
AD: What was the thinking behind this project?
PB: One is I got a little bit burnt out on trying to keep up with topical stories. They were asking me to take on topical newsworthy issues in all the other features Ive been doing for them. Even though I myself have a libertarian bent, which is why I do comics for Reason, I always tried to make it very personal. I tried to make it clear in all these stories for them that Im not walking this strict ideological tightrope, but still when the work would appear, it was great that they would generate a lot of conversation, but way too much of it was partisan. Whatever was going on, for way too many people their take on it always had to do with whether they were a member of the Republican or Democratic tribe if you know what I mean. They would all spout the party line and I just got sick of it and also I kept noticing how people have very little understanding of libertarianism itself. Its wherever theyre coming from. If youre a Republican you think were a bunch of potheads and if youre a Democrat you think were rich people who hate paying taxes and want to pollute whatever they want
I was thinking if I went back, rather than always trying to keep up with newsworthy subjects and following politicians around, which I really got sick of, I thought Id go back to the past. Im not talking about going back to ancient times. Im mainly going to be dealing with the first part of the Twentieth century. Everybody has a general grasp of how things played out in the past, so Im hoping that it would create more perspective and a better understanding. Plus I hope that people will find them entertaining. I also like the idea of memorializing certain authors that have been forgotten or people who people might know their names but they know very little about them. Or their take on them is totally based on partisan news bites. A perfect example is Margaret Sanger. If you type her name into google youre immediately going to be bombarded with all these sound bytes of people saying things about Margaret Sanger that are consistently one hundred percent false. (laughs)
AD: You were working for Mad magazine for a while. Are you still working for them?
PB: Its always been very sporadic and it still is.
AD: Now the magazine is sporadic.
PB: They actually went back to six issues a year instead of four, but theyre cutting on pages rates, so Im not too depressed about not getting much from them. I always worked for them just because its Mad. Since I grew up on it, its really hard to say no when somebody calls up and says, you want to draw something for Mad. Even though its not the same Mad, if you know what I mean.
AD: I do. So how far along are you into the project for Reason magazine?
PB: Well Im barely halfway done with the first one and its twelve pages. Thats a problem, too. Reason traditionally has only given me four pages, so Im giving it to them in four part installments. Some of them, Margaret Sanger for example, theres no way I could tell her life story in 12 pages. When you read her life story it doesnt seem possible that one person could have done all these things.
AD: Had you been interested in doing nonfiction for a while?
PB: No I cant say that Ive wanted to do it. I fell into it. Originally people asked me. I was asked to attempt things like this. This cartoon journalism, for lack of a better way of describing it, I just I personally feel like Ive developed something of a knack for it, so I figure I might as well keep it going. Its led to a lot of other ideas popping into my head like the ones that Im describing to you.
AD: Is the idea to focus on this and maybe another graphic novel over the next few years?
PB: Yes, hopefully this will lead to one big book project. Another thing, too is I recently volunteered with a group that brings the arts to womens prisons. Off and on for a month I was going to a minimum security womens prison out here in Washington state. They were doing writing projects and dance. They wound up putting on a choreographed show. We did cartoons and drawings. Im going to look into that leading into a book project where I would illustrate these womens life stories.
AD: It feels like youre leaving funny comics behind.
PB: Yeah. (laughs) I certainly try to inject humor into all these projects, mainly because I see something funny in all of them, but yeah. As far as the lighter stuff goes, the first Hate Annual in a long time just came out. I still have this story arc going with Buddy Bradley and Im starting to see it coming to an end, so well see another whole book collection of Buddy Bradley stories picking up where those Hate collections left off. Then I did two years worth of Batboy comic strips for the Weekly World News and IDW wants to collect those into a book.
AD: Theres a lot going on. Is there anything else you want to mention or that we spoken about?
PB: I can be totally lame and tell everyone to check out my rock bands myspace page (laughs)
AD: Im here for you.
PB: The bands called Can You Imagine? Its totally stuck in the sixties sunshine pop. The Mamas and the Papas and the Beatles and the Beach Boys.
AD: Mr. Bagge, its been a pleasure.
For more on Peter Bagge check out http://www.peterbagge.com/
To check out Can You Imagine? go to http://www.myspace.com/canyouimagine2
Bagges most recent project is Other Lives which was just released from Vertigo. The story of four characters who reinvent themselves in one way or another, both on and off-line. Whether its about fantasy in Second Life, parents lying to children and spouses, or just the lies we all tell ourselves, its all fodder for Bagge. What follows is an edited conversation with Bagge about the book, his new historical comics for Reason magazine and more.
ALEX DUEBEN: The first thing I noted about your new book was that the cover reads Peter Bagges Other Lives and I thought the possessive was very interesting.
PETER BAGGE: Right. For some reason my prior publisher Fantagraphics always did that. They used to insist that thats how we title our comics, so for all the years that I did Hate Comics it was always Peter Bagges Hate, so for some reason DC did the same thing with this book. I dont know if they were just trying to emulate the way my former publisher always titled it or not.
AD: I was thinking about how every character is a part of themselves and it adds another layer this story of multiple identities.
PB: Oh, I see what youre getting at. (laughs)
AD: Weve just started and Im already too much into things. Why dont I just ask where the idea for the book started?
PB: I think I first got onto the internet back in 1995 or so. This is back when the internet and AOL were practically synonymous. A friend of mine who isnt gay at all, is 100% straight, he said that he would go onto these chat rooms and pretend he was a woman and hook up with straight men. I go, are you the only person who does that and he said no Im sure a lot of guys do that. I said dont you think they suspect that and he said, well, its all fantasy so what difference does it make to them? And I said dont you ever wonder if they if you go on and hook up with a woman that it might be a guy and he said, I dont care, I dont see them.
So from that point on I was always very much aware of how you could change your sex for half an hour on the internet. And I hadnt been on that virtual community second life yet, but Id been hearing about it and I had read about it and it seemed to be the epitome of this fantasy life. Hence the name, second life. So when I pitched the idea to DC I was thinking about all these things, not just the way people alter their identities on the internet, although the internet makes that incredibly easy to do so, but that people have always done that and there are reasons why they do that, pretend to be somebody else. Or fantasize about being somebody else. And DC liked the idea, so here I pitched an idea that had a lot to do with Second Life but Id never been on it. I immediately got an account and went on it just to explore and it was much weirder than I ever imagined. (laughs) Have you ever been on it?
AD: No, I never have. Reading your book I kept wondering just how strange it was.
PB: Yes its that strange. Without a doubt. I spent six months on it and I was always very much a voyeur. I could barely converse with people and if I did, my avatar would go up to them and ask what theyre doing and why are they dressed that way, whats this area all about. More often than not, people wouldnt answer. They would just completely ignore me. (laughs) Thats the other thing, too. Just to see what it was like, I would tweak with my avatar. At one point I made my avatar African-American. That was very interesting because literally no one would talk to me. (laughs) Racisms alive and well here in Second life. Nobody would say boo to me. It wasnt even like I was scary looking. I looked like Barack Obama. (laughs)
But the other thing to is, I didnt even attempt to get as much out of Second Life as you could and I eventually got bored with it. You can go through tutorials and very quickly learn how to build. Using virtual money you can buy a chunk of land and do whatever you want with it. You can make it a sandpit. You can make it Mount Everest. You can make it a shopping mall. But you would build it yourself. You would build the structures yourself and the more you practice that the more you can learn to do. You can eventually learn to make glass walls and learn how to make a car. Needless to say theres a lot of people who are fascinated with that. Computer programmers would do amazing miraculous things. For example, make a totally workable dragon that you could ride on, which I used in the comic. I had zero interest in building. I think I built a box and got bored. And that was that.
The other thing too is doing business on it. The most obvious thing would be designing clothes that your avatar would buy. Theres places you can go to get free clothing, but its pretty goofy junky stuff. But lets say to give an obvious example you were really into very elaborate Victorian goth look. There are virtual clothing designers and they make money selling this to you. The money is called lindens. Very quickly people started converting lindens into real money. Theres an actual exchange rate. If you do enough business, you can make pretty good money. I read a story about this one woman who bought tons of land. She used real money, because you need real money to get lindens. You convert your actual dollars into linden money. So she bought tons of land then waited. Its just like in real world. As the place got more and more populated she started selling the land that she bought to other people. For ten, twenty, fifty, one hundred times more than she paid for it. And in real life got rich with real money. (laughs) But thats the other thing to is that I was not going to bother to start any kind of a business. I didnt have anything to offer anyway other than.
AD: This is the first book youve done just as stand alone of this length.
PB: Pretty much. Before this I did a book called Apocalypse Nerd. The idea was that it would be a graphic novel but that publisher, Dark Horse, allowed me to serialize it so it came out as a six issue miniseries before collecting it as a book. I wanted to do that with this book too I really wanted it to come out as a comicbook and then bunch it all together as a graphic novel but they wouldnt do that. They just dont make money from comicbooks is the problem.
AD: Was it a different experience thinking in terms of one large hundred something page chunk?
PB: Yes. It was very hard. There I was on page ninety-seven and nobody has seen a page of it. Having the public see pieces of it and getting feedback while working on it. It gives you an idea of whats working and what isnt. It can be devastating, too, when youre that invested in something thats very long and youre releasing it piecemeal and the public hates it. (laughs) It also gives you a chance to correct things and clarify things as you go along.
AD: Youve done some work for DC before this. The series Yeah! and Sweatshop. How did you end up here especially after your last book was at Dark Horse?
PB: With each one of those titles it was always one of the editors from DC called me up and asked me to throw some ideas at them. Thats how Yeah! started with Shelley Bond, back then she was Shelley Roeberg, she just asked me to try to come up with an idea and we did a lot of back and forth before it wound up being Yeah! And then with Sweatshop, it was an editor named Joey Cavalieri. Same thing, he just called me up saying Ive got this small window of opportunity where theyre willing to develop another humor series, so we came up with Sweatshop. With Other Lives, it was an editor whos no longer with DC named Bob Schreck who he asked me to come up with a graphic novel idea for Vertigo and that evolved into Other Lives.
AD: As far as your other projects, The Incorrigible Hulk finally saw print recently.
PB: Thats right. (laughs) Eight years later.
AD: Because you did that to come out around the time of the first Hulk movie, the Ang Lee one. And now its finally come out as part of the Marvel Strange Tales anthology.
PB: It all had to do with changing ownership. Back around the year 2000 or so, Marvel was doing terrible and they reached this point of, what do we have to lose, lets just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. Nobody foresaw how huge a hit that first Spider-man movie would be, but they figured with the Spider-man movie coming out, lets exploit it as much as possible. I think that month fifteen different Spider-man titles came out, including mine. They gave me almost total creative freedom. That wound up doing pretty well and they made money off it. I mean how could you not? Its Spider-man. So they decided they would keep doing the same thing. The next one was going to be a Hulk movie and well put out a ton of Hulk merchandise and well do another Pete Bagge humor satire of it. Meanwhile because of the massive success of Spider-man and I cant remember the names of the owners but whoever owned Marvel prior to the Spider-man movie sold to another company whose name I dont remember either. These new owners paid a fortune for the rights to the Marvel characters and when they saw me doing this Hulk comic, which largely was making fun of the Hulk, they freaked out. They insisted that we water down the story quite a bit and edit it. For example we couldnt use the word drugs. Im not talking about illegal drugs, Im talking about cold medicine. We couldnt use legal drugs. As in the drug store. (laughs)
AD: The plot of the book, for people who dont know, is that the Hulk is in therapy and taking psychiatric medication to deal with his rage and other maladies.
PB: And they wouldnt let us use the word viagra. We were like, what are we going to do? So instead of using the word drug we used the word serum (laughs) which is kind of hilarious. They let us finish the book but then once it was all done and I got paid in full, they said, were not going to release it. The whole time the company owned it they refused to released it. So now Marvel got bought out by Disney and whoever the top honchos are they let them release it albeit under this other format.
AD: It really is too bad they didnt let you keep doing these because I would have loved to see you skewer Iron Man.
PB: Yeah that was going to be one of them when it still looked like we were going to keep doing this. I would have liked that too. (laughs) It would have been a masterpiece.
AD: One of your big projects over the past decade or so seems to be Reason magazine.
PB: I just turned in my first feature with them in a long time. Its very different from what Ive done with them in the past. Im going to do a series of biography comic strips and its mainly based on writers from the past who have a very libertarian bent to their worldview and thinking. Im pretty much doing a series of bios of creative people who were libertarian before that terms took hold. The first one is about an author not a household name at all but its about an author named Isabel Paterson.
AD: What was the thinking behind this project?
PB: One is I got a little bit burnt out on trying to keep up with topical stories. They were asking me to take on topical newsworthy issues in all the other features Ive been doing for them. Even though I myself have a libertarian bent, which is why I do comics for Reason, I always tried to make it very personal. I tried to make it clear in all these stories for them that Im not walking this strict ideological tightrope, but still when the work would appear, it was great that they would generate a lot of conversation, but way too much of it was partisan. Whatever was going on, for way too many people their take on it always had to do with whether they were a member of the Republican or Democratic tribe if you know what I mean. They would all spout the party line and I just got sick of it and also I kept noticing how people have very little understanding of libertarianism itself. Its wherever theyre coming from. If youre a Republican you think were a bunch of potheads and if youre a Democrat you think were rich people who hate paying taxes and want to pollute whatever they want
I was thinking if I went back, rather than always trying to keep up with newsworthy subjects and following politicians around, which I really got sick of, I thought Id go back to the past. Im not talking about going back to ancient times. Im mainly going to be dealing with the first part of the Twentieth century. Everybody has a general grasp of how things played out in the past, so Im hoping that it would create more perspective and a better understanding. Plus I hope that people will find them entertaining. I also like the idea of memorializing certain authors that have been forgotten or people who people might know their names but they know very little about them. Or their take on them is totally based on partisan news bites. A perfect example is Margaret Sanger. If you type her name into google youre immediately going to be bombarded with all these sound bytes of people saying things about Margaret Sanger that are consistently one hundred percent false. (laughs)
AD: You were working for Mad magazine for a while. Are you still working for them?
PB: Its always been very sporadic and it still is.
AD: Now the magazine is sporadic.
PB: They actually went back to six issues a year instead of four, but theyre cutting on pages rates, so Im not too depressed about not getting much from them. I always worked for them just because its Mad. Since I grew up on it, its really hard to say no when somebody calls up and says, you want to draw something for Mad. Even though its not the same Mad, if you know what I mean.
AD: I do. So how far along are you into the project for Reason magazine?
PB: Well Im barely halfway done with the first one and its twelve pages. Thats a problem, too. Reason traditionally has only given me four pages, so Im giving it to them in four part installments. Some of them, Margaret Sanger for example, theres no way I could tell her life story in 12 pages. When you read her life story it doesnt seem possible that one person could have done all these things.
AD: Had you been interested in doing nonfiction for a while?
PB: No I cant say that Ive wanted to do it. I fell into it. Originally people asked me. I was asked to attempt things like this. This cartoon journalism, for lack of a better way of describing it, I just I personally feel like Ive developed something of a knack for it, so I figure I might as well keep it going. Its led to a lot of other ideas popping into my head like the ones that Im describing to you.
AD: Is the idea to focus on this and maybe another graphic novel over the next few years?
PB: Yes, hopefully this will lead to one big book project. Another thing, too is I recently volunteered with a group that brings the arts to womens prisons. Off and on for a month I was going to a minimum security womens prison out here in Washington state. They were doing writing projects and dance. They wound up putting on a choreographed show. We did cartoons and drawings. Im going to look into that leading into a book project where I would illustrate these womens life stories.
AD: It feels like youre leaving funny comics behind.
PB: Yeah. (laughs) I certainly try to inject humor into all these projects, mainly because I see something funny in all of them, but yeah. As far as the lighter stuff goes, the first Hate Annual in a long time just came out. I still have this story arc going with Buddy Bradley and Im starting to see it coming to an end, so well see another whole book collection of Buddy Bradley stories picking up where those Hate collections left off. Then I did two years worth of Batboy comic strips for the Weekly World News and IDW wants to collect those into a book.
AD: Theres a lot going on. Is there anything else you want to mention or that we spoken about?
PB: I can be totally lame and tell everyone to check out my rock bands myspace page (laughs)
AD: Im here for you.
PB: The bands called Can You Imagine? Its totally stuck in the sixties sunshine pop. The Mamas and the Papas and the Beatles and the Beach Boys.
AD: Mr. Bagge, its been a pleasure.
For more on Peter Bagge check out http://www.peterbagge.com/
To check out Can You Imagine? go to http://www.myspace.com/canyouimagine2