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Thursday Nov 04, 2004

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I would like to speak about a report I just see on french TV.
Please understand I'm not saying France is better than USA we all have a difficult past to correct
French journalists tried to show us what it happens is Abu Ghraib is very similar to what happened is some american prisons.
Two of the seven soldiers who tortured in Irak were jail guards in USA. Journalists meet a man who spend 21 years in the prison (he wa convicted of murder and was convicted of unguilty last year). He has be tortured by one of them ; Frederick.

Journalists explain (we don't have this situation in France so we need to have explainations) prisons are in rural zones with poor white men. Prisoners are very often black. So racism is a rule.

They compared video tapes from jail where Frederick works and pictures from Abu Ghraib. Dogs, being naked, electricty. THREE elements are the same.

Journalists explain us government bring some soldiers who were known as cruels with bad reports from penitentiary administration.
The man who built prisons in Abu Ghraib is know for cruelty too.

We saw Seymour Hersch, who is known in USA (I did not kno him). He has another theory (french journalists can not verigy it). He says after 09/11 special troops where send all around the world to arrest el qaeda membres. In july 2003 they were send in Abu Ghraib. The mission : torture some men if they were fundamnetalusts. If they weren't, they theatened them to show the pictures to their families. They won't do if the irakian people do the spy.

a special note was shown. some treatments can be considered as cruel, as suffering but we don't consider they are torture as international congventions said.

French journalists ask if to stop terrorism us government don't decide to practise torture.

at the end, we saw a french man who is born in Pakistan. He just arrived in NYC just after the 09/11. He was arrested, tortured and humiliated. He can show us how SOME jail guards were racists.

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haibane:
well, you back, it's nice

hope things goes right for you, really
well, hope you're well


~S~
Nov 4, 2004
stockula:
Well, it was an account of a guy who was imprisoned in France (for his real crimes against French business owners), and it wasn't pretty. He was told Italian prisons were worse.

He also was jailed in Sweden, the cells are more like hotel suites there.
Nov 5, 2004

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