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Wednesday Jun 22, 2005

Jun 22, 2005
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such an interesting concept. and so weighted in emotional girth. who are we to be loyal to? I've had a great contemplative conversation this afternoon with my sis. she wholeheartdly believes god is the only person to give your loyalty to. all other things can end up being scewed. should you be loyal to your job? obviously there are things you should be loyal to. like your loved ones. but even that isnt a black and white issue. not when it comes to emotional abuse. or physical. or sexual. then the loyalty should be with yourself, and no other. are we being decietful in having our own motives? is it moral to live a life 'as a means to and end' (i think that's the right phrase, i always get confused) if you say you want to do everything you're doing, but only as a means to get the resources so you can walk right out the door to do what you want, is that deceit? loyalty is indeed a nonsenical thing. your possessions. my possessions. i'm loyal to them. i consider them in my decisions. they have precedence over other things, even people (say if they were acquantices) in my life. what other kinds of things are we loyal to? are we loyal to our bad habits too? its not something that's helping us. yet we dont give them up. we consider even our habits an act of loyalty or betrayal. such strong words. but if you were to be asked to give up that bad habit, that addiction, what gut impulse would you feel? i'd feel betrayal. like i'm betraying that part of myself, that i dont want to give up yet. people think things like loyalty, betrayal, honesty and deceit, only apply to the world around them. <i>outside</i> of them. its more so evident within yourself, the things you give more weight to in your life, do put that weight. well put, as is so well known, the things you own, end up owning you. of course they do. how do they own you? how much of you do they own? we dont like to think about these things. i know. i'm being a hypocrite in that my addiction is net. maybe that's why i'm writing this. how loyal am i to it? how much of my life does it consume? there's the push and pull of what you gain from it, and what you lose from it. i've been loyal to things in my life that have brought me nothing but strife. i've been loyal to times and places and clothes, and people, and attitudes and decisions, and food, and sex and everything else. but its not <i>really</i> that concrete, is it. lets not be loyal to the things that bring us death. lets not even be loyal at all. if we're not to be loyal, than how is it that we choose? loyalty strips the right of choice. the right to decide at any moment that there is a better path. roads weren't paved just to go one way. it is very powerful to understand but more importantly to utilize the concept of 'choice at any given moment'. my head right now is going off into fifteen million different directions, so i think i'll stop now. i'd love any thoughts or mail concerning this, being that its what has been on my mind of late. oink
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fortissimo:
The notion of loyalty is an inherently historical one. You have to look back to see loyalty. It's a pattern of events, a pattern of behavior. And "betrayal" is a deviation from the expectation created by a pattern seen in the past.

As human beings, we *love* these concepts, because our mental processes are so attuned to observing and recognizing patterns.

But ultimately, being "loyal" is not the same as being true to oneself - which you alluded to when you mentioned "choice at any given moment". The notion of loyalty only pulls you out of the present, out of mindfulness and into the distractions of the past.

Patterns can be misleading. Suppose a river runs for 100 miles, straight to the sea, but just as it approaches the delta, a sharp bend turns it away from the coast for a mile before it finally empties into the sea. The current isn't "disloyal" to the path to the sea; at any given moment, it goes where it must go.

To me, commitment is more important than loyalty. I don't mean commitment like a promise (which just looks ahead like loyalty looks back - science fiction instead of history), but total commitment to your own actions in the present, and the principles that guide them. Acting from your core as a dancer moves from her center.

The book you're reading now has an excellent recommendation for this dilemma:

Be melting snow.
Wash yourself of yourself.


You wash yourself of your past, of habits and regrets, and you act in the moment. Be melting snow. Be continually new.

-ff


[Edited on Jun 23, 2005 12:05PM]
Jun 23, 2005
deathtoforls:
Does loyalty really strip us of choice? If you are loyal at one point does it dictate eternal loyalty? Are we bound to immortalizing our past because of its existence? Damnit, now you've made me think...my head might just spontaneously combust. Love your writing today, raises many questions in my own mind about my path in life. Thank you wink Hope your move goes well, if there's anyhting you need, don't hesitate to ask.
Jun 23, 2005

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