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1) He introduced it to the Abrahamic religions. And I should have been more specific in that he brought Eternal Hell to the Abrahamic religions. Gehenna was temporary, and only for the "wicked." I won't get into whether or not disbelief in the face of a staggering lack of evidence qualifies as "wicked."

2) You seem to assume that I'm approaching strangers and demanding they tell me their most deeply held beliefs so I can rail against them. That's not the case. I'm referring to people either joining a conversation already in progress with their non-contributions, or people making broad assertions but falling back on vague, nebulous positions when those assertions are challenged.

The metaphor/parable thing is something I hear a lot about the Bible. What I don't hear is what moral truths, exactly, they're supposed to impart. If the voice in your head tells you to kill your child, you should do it unless it tells you to stop? Don't fuck with bald people? Frankly, as a set of parables intended to teach morals, I've seen better. But let's not start asserting that most Christians are of the Thomas Jefferson variety. I've seen no evidence to back that up. The default assumption should be to take them at their word - they believe that Jesus Christ was literally the son of God, and only through him can we be redeemed for our sins (and if we are not redeemed for our sins, punishments ranging from Eternal Torture to Eternal Separation From God That Just Seems Like Torture to Annihilation are the result).

Yes, the gospels are inconsistent and they make it difficult to figure out what Jesus really said. Does that matter? In the context of this discussion, we're talking about someone who has taken what is biblically attributed to Jesus, and come to the conclusion that the person who said those things is/was some sort of moral leader. If we're rejecting the reliability of the Bible in determining what Jesus did or did not say, how do we come to any conclusions about his character?

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I also meant to add, though I lost my train of thought addressing the gospels, that it was just meant to be a cathartic rant. I wouldn't take it terribly seriously.

None taken. I have a blunt and terse way of phrasing my sentences that perhaps makes me sound more hostile than intended. When it comes to theological arguments, I especially try to be as direct and succinct as possible, because it's a field so rife with vague, unending pontification.

I think you just described Kathy Griffins entire act.

Yeah.I should be studying, too.
It's soooo tempting though to go online...
*sighs*

I wish you all the best and luck if you need it!

Thanks

Darn tootin'

I have to agree, Vista sucks big time

alright, we'll be here when you get back boss man.

Not lately, but that's been a favorite quote of mine for a long time.

Yeah even though I disagree with Pilger on a lot of things, his breakdown of Obama as a brand used to gloss over and market unsavory ideas and policies is spot the fuck on. For so many of his supporters it is not even a case of what he actually does, it is a case of how it makes them feel inside. <--- That is successful advertising par excellence.

Everything with this guy is a bait and switch operation. But for the people who have really and I mean really swallowed the advertisement - they fail to see the switch part of the equation. You can see it play itself out daily on the Current Events board here.