So, it's Tuesday my devious little ducklings, do you know what that means? That's right, sex talk. Oh how it makes me tingle. Now, our last conversation got us to some pretty interesting places, and several of you participated, which makes me super happy. Lokison brought up the bonobo monkeys, which makes me squeel all on it's own, and we will loop back around to that. Pricipio brought up that marriage is not natural and does make very wise points in saying that our idea of love often goes hand in hand with possession. Starting with these two thoughts, this is where we will pick up.
Now, the bonobos are actually, though they are sexually fruitful and curious to extent that gender roles are eliminated and often, in our perspective reversed. Male investment in offspring is so intense that women can often times get away with a drifting much like the blue gill sunfish. There are definitely players in every game, and this rule extends over to species. But then, our rules of love and sexual treachery are different, and work for us, but obviously do not work for bonobos.
What's unique is that the Bonobo male often times only has one female mate per lifetime, meaning, penatration is limited to his one special honey monkey, and that other girls can look, touch and play around, but their disco stick is for their one mate. The females often times can accomplish more than one mate per lifetime, as the female Bonobo money and the male Bonobo monkey's reproductive cycle lasts roughly about the same. This is not true for our species. Males have a much longer reproductive cycle then women do, the main roadblock for us chicks is this lovely little thing we call menopause. I believe this, like the majority of aspects of our reproduction has been evolved to better suit, as always, the offspring. One thing we do have in common, (of coarse one among many, as they are very close to us genetically) is the aspect of grandmothering. Though older Bonobo females are still reproducing they are active in the developmental growth of their children's children. Human women face menopause usually in most cases just as they enter the grandmothering stage of life, if they have reproduced and their offspring have followed suite. Who's to know if this was the case before we evolved to have menopause, maybe before we did grannys were getting down with the best of us. If that was true, nature could have given stalled the reproductive cycle in order for women to have to focus their energy (on what used to be their own reproduction) to the nurturing of valuable offspring. This in a different way is helping her genetic cycle continue, thus the reproductive desire of the woman is fullfilled in a different way.
Masatacally brought up a very valid point as well, and he is very right, monogamy is now, and always has been a choice. From social structures in the Victorian era, to the structures of today, monogamy has always been a choice, though social confines often make it less of a choice than many would want to believe. When a species is mostly monogamous you can see it. Literally see it. In monogamous species the males are much larger than the female, because sex and offspring are competed for. So, considering the size difference in males to females in humans, we are, very slowly, evolving through the generations to show this fact. Though evolution does not act fast enough to reflect social structures, the monogamy structure has been around for so long, and in so many cultures, that it does show in our evolutionary diagram. It's actually very exciting to think that as humans, all along we have had a choice, now hold this thought, I'll come back to it.
Why do giraffes have really long necks? So they can reach to the top of the trees right? No one would think the answer to that question would be, "So they can be especially vulnerable to attacks from ground level." The reasoning being that this vulnerability is not a good thing, it is a handicap, a necessitous burden that is taken in order to have the ability of stable food consumption. After all, when you eat from the very top of trees, the competition for your food supply is only other giraffes. Much better than the way it used to be, having to compete with just about all of the other large herbivores. This is a stunning example of how nature will evolve to give species advantages, but these advantages always come along with a strong disadvantage. It's a system of balance, and an exquisite one.
Humans have a similar double edged sword. Our brain was wondrous before, but since we developed this beautiful frontal lobe the abilities we have spurn other discoveries, and we are capable of rational thought, decision, we are capable of rising above instinctual desires of our cute little bonobo brotherin and our ninja gizzing bluegill. But, there is a downside, and a treacherous one. Because of these amazing brains we have evolved to carry atop our spines, our development and gestation period is one of the longest of mammals. One big mama who could teach us some things in the Sperm Whale. Tee hee, I said sperm. Anyway, the dependency period of our offspring is longer than all mammals, including the sperm whale. Our offspring are born as completely helpless, dependent, cute little blobs. That we dress up in cute little outfits and shoes, though their feet won't be walking for a year and a half, sometimes longer. Walking is precarious for our young, they learn the aspects of it slowly, as their brain is making so many intricate connections within itself and with the world around it. If you have children, you should really celebrate when they are able to jump, completely off two feet, and come back to the ground. This is a developmental milestone! And it usually happens at around four. Children are unable to depend on themselves for food, and protection, for several years thereafter. They are fragile little vessels of our procreation. They depend on parents for everything, from the moment of conception, until they are about fourteen, and even then, independence, (in the survivalist meaning of the term, likely to survive by ones self, as in hunt/gather/protect for ones self) is shaky at best.
This is where nature, I think, has developed a most majestic of evolutions, one of it's finest symphonies of survival, love.
Imagine how much of a discovery it was for our species to come to the conclusion that men, indeed, had a very real hand in the process of conception. Not knowing the basics of reproduction seems alien, but try to imagine it. Knowing that the offspring coming out of pretty primate lady wasn't just hers, but quite viably yours. Other species kill young when they realize it is not theres, so this discovery is held dear by many a animal, but what was it like for our ancestors? In our past it may have been common for all men to be drifters, and pursue only reproduction, and have no interest in parental investment of the young they were helping to create. But then the love that was so foreign to men transcribed, into them. Which is why we evolved to have parental investment, because lit benefited the child. Likewise, women pursued men more likely to stick around, and took less "attractive" genes than perhaps they could have gotten, in order to have a more stable and invested paternal figure for whatever offspring she bears. Thus our own choice that we have thanks to our frontal lobe, goes hand in hand with nature, love is not a choice, considering the root of it is instinctual, and as humans we can embrace or forsake this love, for we have that divine choice. It's a glorious contradiction isn't it? A divine interconnection.
Knowing that the emotions we feel so intensely are linked to instinctual roots, make them that much more precious. Because they aren't pointless, fleeting, or spontaneous. There is logic and purpose behind them, I would say like a well oiled machine, but it's more natural then that, it's a finely tuned, well written and conducted orchestra, every note intentional, and every rest silent.
Comment! Discuss! I love talking with you all and sharing thoughts and ideas! It's quite interesting to me, or you can just tell me how cute I am and how excited you are about my Halloween mini set or my devious, naughty secret set I have in the works that is just now in the editing process.
Thanks for all the sweetness you all left all over Walk Without Rhythm every time I see a new comment and blush! I promise I'll go through my inbox tomorrow. Scouts honor
Love love love to all my devious little duckies,
Hopefully yours,
Dezzie
Now, the bonobos are actually, though they are sexually fruitful and curious to extent that gender roles are eliminated and often, in our perspective reversed. Male investment in offspring is so intense that women can often times get away with a drifting much like the blue gill sunfish. There are definitely players in every game, and this rule extends over to species. But then, our rules of love and sexual treachery are different, and work for us, but obviously do not work for bonobos.
What's unique is that the Bonobo male often times only has one female mate per lifetime, meaning, penatration is limited to his one special honey monkey, and that other girls can look, touch and play around, but their disco stick is for their one mate. The females often times can accomplish more than one mate per lifetime, as the female Bonobo money and the male Bonobo monkey's reproductive cycle lasts roughly about the same. This is not true for our species. Males have a much longer reproductive cycle then women do, the main roadblock for us chicks is this lovely little thing we call menopause. I believe this, like the majority of aspects of our reproduction has been evolved to better suit, as always, the offspring. One thing we do have in common, (of coarse one among many, as they are very close to us genetically) is the aspect of grandmothering. Though older Bonobo females are still reproducing they are active in the developmental growth of their children's children. Human women face menopause usually in most cases just as they enter the grandmothering stage of life, if they have reproduced and their offspring have followed suite. Who's to know if this was the case before we evolved to have menopause, maybe before we did grannys were getting down with the best of us. If that was true, nature could have given stalled the reproductive cycle in order for women to have to focus their energy (on what used to be their own reproduction) to the nurturing of valuable offspring. This in a different way is helping her genetic cycle continue, thus the reproductive desire of the woman is fullfilled in a different way.
Masatacally brought up a very valid point as well, and he is very right, monogamy is now, and always has been a choice. From social structures in the Victorian era, to the structures of today, monogamy has always been a choice, though social confines often make it less of a choice than many would want to believe. When a species is mostly monogamous you can see it. Literally see it. In monogamous species the males are much larger than the female, because sex and offspring are competed for. So, considering the size difference in males to females in humans, we are, very slowly, evolving through the generations to show this fact. Though evolution does not act fast enough to reflect social structures, the monogamy structure has been around for so long, and in so many cultures, that it does show in our evolutionary diagram. It's actually very exciting to think that as humans, all along we have had a choice, now hold this thought, I'll come back to it.
Why do giraffes have really long necks? So they can reach to the top of the trees right? No one would think the answer to that question would be, "So they can be especially vulnerable to attacks from ground level." The reasoning being that this vulnerability is not a good thing, it is a handicap, a necessitous burden that is taken in order to have the ability of stable food consumption. After all, when you eat from the very top of trees, the competition for your food supply is only other giraffes. Much better than the way it used to be, having to compete with just about all of the other large herbivores. This is a stunning example of how nature will evolve to give species advantages, but these advantages always come along with a strong disadvantage. It's a system of balance, and an exquisite one.
Humans have a similar double edged sword. Our brain was wondrous before, but since we developed this beautiful frontal lobe the abilities we have spurn other discoveries, and we are capable of rational thought, decision, we are capable of rising above instinctual desires of our cute little bonobo brotherin and our ninja gizzing bluegill. But, there is a downside, and a treacherous one. Because of these amazing brains we have evolved to carry atop our spines, our development and gestation period is one of the longest of mammals. One big mama who could teach us some things in the Sperm Whale. Tee hee, I said sperm. Anyway, the dependency period of our offspring is longer than all mammals, including the sperm whale. Our offspring are born as completely helpless, dependent, cute little blobs. That we dress up in cute little outfits and shoes, though their feet won't be walking for a year and a half, sometimes longer. Walking is precarious for our young, they learn the aspects of it slowly, as their brain is making so many intricate connections within itself and with the world around it. If you have children, you should really celebrate when they are able to jump, completely off two feet, and come back to the ground. This is a developmental milestone! And it usually happens at around four. Children are unable to depend on themselves for food, and protection, for several years thereafter. They are fragile little vessels of our procreation. They depend on parents for everything, from the moment of conception, until they are about fourteen, and even then, independence, (in the survivalist meaning of the term, likely to survive by ones self, as in hunt/gather/protect for ones self) is shaky at best.
This is where nature, I think, has developed a most majestic of evolutions, one of it's finest symphonies of survival, love.
Imagine how much of a discovery it was for our species to come to the conclusion that men, indeed, had a very real hand in the process of conception. Not knowing the basics of reproduction seems alien, but try to imagine it. Knowing that the offspring coming out of pretty primate lady wasn't just hers, but quite viably yours. Other species kill young when they realize it is not theres, so this discovery is held dear by many a animal, but what was it like for our ancestors? In our past it may have been common for all men to be drifters, and pursue only reproduction, and have no interest in parental investment of the young they were helping to create. But then the love that was so foreign to men transcribed, into them. Which is why we evolved to have parental investment, because lit benefited the child. Likewise, women pursued men more likely to stick around, and took less "attractive" genes than perhaps they could have gotten, in order to have a more stable and invested paternal figure for whatever offspring she bears. Thus our own choice that we have thanks to our frontal lobe, goes hand in hand with nature, love is not a choice, considering the root of it is instinctual, and as humans we can embrace or forsake this love, for we have that divine choice. It's a glorious contradiction isn't it? A divine interconnection.
Knowing that the emotions we feel so intensely are linked to instinctual roots, make them that much more precious. Because they aren't pointless, fleeting, or spontaneous. There is logic and purpose behind them, I would say like a well oiled machine, but it's more natural then that, it's a finely tuned, well written and conducted orchestra, every note intentional, and every rest silent.
Comment! Discuss! I love talking with you all and sharing thoughts and ideas! It's quite interesting to me, or you can just tell me how cute I am and how excited you are about my Halloween mini set or my devious, naughty secret set I have in the works that is just now in the editing process.
Thanks for all the sweetness you all left all over Walk Without Rhythm every time I see a new comment and blush! I promise I'll go through my inbox tomorrow. Scouts honor
Love love love to all my devious little duckies,
Hopefully yours,
Dezzie
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jaybugg:
i got rid of your old sg one, but i guess i thought this was old too? so add me back lol
bodie403:
Bring on the matriarchy! 