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I'd like to pose a question: what the hell is going on in the States?

This is how I see it and I'd like to guide you to see if my hypothesis seems logical. I'm by no means a political scientist or even terribly politically savvy. But before answering the question above, I'd like to impose some context.

As I see it, the States have...
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I think people should consider the comments made in this article before coming to an opinion on the hurried hanging of Saddam Hussein. I'm not saying he's innocent of the crimes levied against him. I'm just saying that the way the sentence was affected leaves room for concern.

I do not and will never believe that killing is the solution to killing.
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So I suppose I should give a summary of my conclusions of this little social experiment I've been doing with this whole SG thing. The upshot of the experiment was just that I wanted to get an idea of how the other world lives. Most specifically the world of the hot rock-star type. Gorgeous naked girls with lots of awesome piercings and tattoos. Mostly because...
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ignorantprodigy:

It seems to me that creating our purpose for being is our purpose for being. Within our quest we discover who we are by deciding who we are, perhaps so we are ready to create who we will be when deaths door is opened.
ignorantprodigy:


Good to see you are staying, you are one of the few people I will continue to talk to here. There is no harm in enjoying the occasional nude "alt" woman and/or conversation. It's only the flagrant devotion of time that is harmful to ones life... unless they want life to amount to one internet porn site.

As for government I feel there can be a relationship between capitalism and the environment but only if we re-tool our democracy. If the actual governing were run more like a business, an ethical business, we would not find ourselves so at odds with the world. When the needs of the few are held above the needs of many all will suffer.


Oh and if pink is the new white and 30 is the new 20 than I can believe boring is the new exciting.
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I met someone I met three years ago. She suggested me to go to Velvet Underground and I've been going there ever since. She was into me back then, while I had a girlfriend. I started talking to her again a week ago after having been broken up with my ex for a year and a half.

Turns out she's awesome. This weekend was the...
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bombastic:
Though after getting a running total of four hours sleep from Friday to Sunday, I was dead to the world for 11 hours last night. I fear I'll never sleep again if she's around.
_risforrad:
Yaay romance! Congratssmile
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I've been real busy lately. I've been spending most of my time at my dad's place after work. I've barely had a moment to myself. It's really lame, but sometimes it's fully necessary.

My dad was taking care of my ailing 18 year old cat. I got her when I was ten and we basically grew up together. She had arthritis and a kidney problem...
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user038538:
aw, that's tough...i had to put one of my cats to sleep last year...
1988 - 2006!! that's a good run!
_risforrad:
Sorry to hear about your cat - childhood pets can be the hardest to let go of.
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ignorantprodigy:

Yes but there comes a point in time where people must suck it up and move on... and now is that time. A better tomorrow can not be built if our time is spent in the past and that is exactly where it will be. The plebeians want revenge or justice as they like to call it but in truth he will not get any sort of punishment befitting of his crime because he is rich and white... oh yeah and the president! So to waste time and money, to create a media crap storm which would take focus off of the real issues at hand, this would be a crime far greater then the poor decisions and disregard for the law the president and his men stand accused of. Also lest we not forget the house and senate are equally to blame as well as the people of this country for not rising up against the tyranny they cry so adamantly about.

This is why I say you can not cater to the plebeians. They love to cry bloody murder yet stand around with their hands out pouting until their government takes care of them. They point the finger everywhere but towards the mirror.

Now could be a time of rebuilding and prosperity if we would just focus on how things can be better and not how they could have been better. There will be time to bring those who deserve punishment before the courts once the rebuilding process is in full swing.
As they say, a time and place for everything.
ignorantprodigy:


So you think he's right when he tells people that he's above the law. The point of democracy is that nobody's above the law, even the president. We concentrate on the past with every other trial because it sets a precedent for the future so it can't happen again. Thousands of deaths are not worth preventing?



As you know I believe right and wrong to be matters of perception that may go wherever they may. As such, currently if you are rich and white you are above most laws. As for trials setting a precedent for the future I have to disagree to their effectiveness and I only need point to history as my proof. This is not the first time nor will it be the last, this sort of thing happens fairly often all over the world and began the moment a second tribe was formed.


First, the house and senate are permutable things. It's a voting structure that I believe has been influenced for those votes. Crap storms should not be avoided for their own sakes. Don't you agree that they're sometimes necessary? Could this not be one of those times, where thousands of lives have been jeopardized and thousands more stand at risk?




Most every vote ever cast is influenced by something, by nature we can not decide without a point of reference even at random. So they are all still responsible for their votes. As it has come out over the past few years men like Richard Clark tried to tell people what was going on and they choose to follow another agenda. It's their fault for not following the advice of those who knew what was going on.
Now as far as media shit storms go NO the way the media is now if we started the machine up nothing constructive would get done. Our nation would be consumed by revenge, then scapegoats would be found, wild goose chases, misinformation campaigns, any truth of the matter would be buried even deeper. We can not go about this in the same manner we always have, it is time for a new way. The old way only means the same old outcome.


How are they responsible, exactly? Or do you think the people knew the hundred thousands of people would die in Iraq by voting in Bush? They knew that thousands of New Yorkers would likewise be killed? What other actions should they take or have taken? Again, I think this is one of those times where bloody murder is fair to cry.



I posted Americas Declaration Of Independence in another thread but I will post the meat of it here to answer this question.

--When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The people can stop them and force them to their will at any time. This is why in the end they are all to blame for this, they have all allowed this to happen. Actions speak louder then words my friend, all the crying in the world will not change a single thing.

I say they because I personally don't care enough to change it. This point in history is no worse then any other point in history in which war was at hand. All I see is a loop, we may have advanced in many areas but humankind is basically living the same lives over and over again.


So you DO think they should be held accountable? Why would we allow for suffering to continue for two more years before we bring justice to those who have committed such grievous atrocities? I think it's been made clear that Bush has no intention of abating his military movements. You must believe he is repentant for the deaths he has caused for him to want to ameliorate the situation. I don't think there's any reason to believe that. If nothing is done, just like a rampaging murderer, the suffering will continue.




Yes I do, you know I believe EVERYONE should not only be held accountable but should hold themselves accountable for ALL of their actions. Humankind however is not ready for this nor may I witness it in this lifetime. Now as far as this war on terror goes, there is no going back. What many do not understand is that we must now stabilize that region or we will be attacked with a level of vengeance we have yet to see. What was done can not be undone except by one way and I do not see this happening. If we were to convict G.W, Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, ect and send them to Iraq to be publicly hung then and only then do I believe we may be able to avoid being attacked again. However that is not only never going to happen but it is also no sure bet. They may still feel America must be stopped to prevent this from ever happening again.

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I fear there are terrible things happening in the world. The worst part is, I think, that people are afraid to know.

Take some time and watch this video. It's a film called Terrorstorm. I'm not married to the opinions therein, but it does sound convincing and at the very least worthy of some personal research. At the very least, the consequences of their...
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I don't understand why I'm constantly amazed at the sheer stupidity around me. I need to leave. I don't know where I can possibly go to get away from it. People are selfish, rude, ignorant, idiodic, mindless drones going about their lives ruled by either their libidos or wallets. There's absolutely no concern for neighbours or even quality of life. It's like they prefer to...
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user038538:
of course it's just gimmicks stolen from other movies, that's the point...grindhouse cinema is a genre (70's exploitation films) hence the name, Grindhouse...not everyones cup of tea, it's pretty kitschy
maxradical:
One way to deal with it is the Crime and Punishment strategy - sure, their crime is to live selfish, tiny and petty lives filled with indefensible behaviour; that is also their punishement. The absolute key is to make sure that you don't let their flaws affect your quality of life. To even engage with them, or argue, brings you to their level for a while and so you lose.

Just keep some chill, do what you want to do and find people it's worth doing with. It doesn't matter whether it's right or wrong to do so - the simple fact is it is so, and your time is ticking away, so get on with the best you can damn well do!

(I used to feel what you feel, and have had this discussion with more than one amigo/ex)
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Okay. For those of you who are keeping score -- I use the term figuratively since I doubt anyone cares -- my conclusion of my previous post is that the majority of people in any group of people (school, work, hip-hoppers, goths, executives, environmentalists, etc.) are idiots following the trend because they're too afraid to think for themselves. Which is highly depressing. It's totally demoralizing...
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user038538:
and they're playing three nights!! can't wait!
ignorantprodigy:

Depending on what you need them for people in general can be quite moronic. So your bagging on the Goth kids now... they are a fun paradox aren't they? Here you have people so desperate to be individuals, so desperate to be different that they have created a sub grouping all for themselves... which totally defeats the purpose of being different individuals. The best part is they aren't even Goth the poor kids just use the word without even knowing what it refers to. Of course they just want to be accepted and it is totally natural for humans as a species to huddle together in like minded groups. Personally I view them with suspicion at the least and an annoyance at most (their constant whining gets old) as they are the weaker of our species and their fragile emotional states make them unstable and often unpredictable. In the grand scheme of things they are just a different brand of sheeple.

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Something's been bothering me with this whole SG thing. Before I do anything about it, I figure I should post it to see if there's an argument against it.

SG is essential a message board system wherein each member can post all sorts of information about themselves to initiate conversations with people that have similar interests. Personally, I thought it a medium to find feedback...
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bombastic:
The stereotypical male preoccupation with their penises is one of the things that aggravates me the most. Not because it's the stereotype, but mostly because it's true. People don't realize that they are a certain way because of public opinion rather than the reverse. I'm an avid pot smoker. I'm smoking right now, actually. I don't get lethargic or stupid when I smoke like the stereotype suggests. And if people gave a damn to try something outside stereotypical format, they might actually find some substance and meaning in their lives.

Anyway, my comment on sexual trivialization doesn't extend to SG in general. I admit there are women here who are passionate about their art (and it is an art). But there are many who just want to be naked because they feel somehow they're rebelling against the norm (see quote at very top of page). Like anyone cares that they're naked other than those cock-obsessed beer-swilling frat boys.

I seem to be pointing a lot of fingers. Truth be told, a lot of people aggravate me. And it's all based on the ignorance of their actions. People who act through willful and meaningful passion are who I'm looking for. I'm not interested in the selfish, ignorant and vapid troglodytes that don't know the experiences of thought or intelligent discussion. They, as you can see, bug the crap out of me.
user038538:
i'd have to say half the girls on the site get it and the point is lost on the other half...the line between art and pornography is easily blurred...
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Those of you who haven't seen Heroes should stop reading this right now and download the first three episodes. Each three episodes have consistently absolutely amazed me. This show is the single most exciting show I have ever seen. I've never set aside time for a TV show to watch it weekly. I can't wait for next Monday.
user038538:
hahaha! funny, bacause last week my roommate and i were making fun of her husband for watching it (he usually makes the worst tv picks)...anyways, we watched it and watched it again this week....claire's cool
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I love my cats but I think I might need to shave them. Their fur is instantly everywhere in my apartment at all times. I find the most unlikely places contaminated with tiny little hairs. I think they may go about my apartment opening those places that are otherwise inaccessible, plucking a single strand of fur and dropping it in, closing the location once more...
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user038538:
nice kitties! maybe instead of haircuts, you should try brushing them...aah, the life of a cat...
although, not all cats are so lucky...check it out, our latest entries are thematic in a wobbly way...
acerbius:
aw, too cute...

and I hear ya there. Same was the case with my parents' cats when I was living at home.

So I was at Velvet on Thursday, drunk as all hell... where were YOU!? (I thought I saw you, but was really drunk by then and not able to trust my eyes to that extent).