Flight of the Conchords fans know that Wednesday is business time. In their song Business Time, Jemaine Clement sings that Wednesday is his weekly love making night, so its business time. It follows then that for an interview with Clement on a Wednesday, it is also business time. I suppose so, according to my own rules, he said in a roundtable interview with a group of reporters.
His Flight of the Conchords character might not be much of a stretch. In person, unscripted, Clement carried himself and spoke the same way as his folk singing counterpart. He sat stiffly upright with hands folded and shoulders tight, and spoke in stunted fragments.
He didnt get any more relaxed in a private, one on one interview either, but we wouldnt have it any other way. That awkwardness makes sincere, innocent comedy in his songs with bandmate Bret McKenzie and their TV show on HBO. It also works for his new movie, Gentlemen Broncos.
Broncos casts Clement as sci-fi author Ronald Chevalier. Chevalier was a big shot with his Cyborg Harpies books but these days he resorts to plagiarizing work from kids at his writers camp. The film from Napoleon Dynamite writer/director Jared Hess combines his quirky real world characters with their bizarre sci-fi creations. Fans of the fictional Ronald Chevalier can find out more about him on the official website the filmmakers set up.
The Conchords also have a new album out, I Told You I Was Freaky which includes songs like Sugarlumps, about their male organs, and Hurt Feelings, a sensitive hardcore wrap. This interview contains a lot of inside jokes about Conchords songs so if anything sounds strange, listen to their music to find out what were talking about.
Suicide Girls: Did your hair grow out to Ronald Chevalier length or was that a wig?
Jemaine Clement: That was my own hair. I just sit there and someone does it but it take a lot of hairspray and a lot of back combing. Usually you do a screen test or a costume test before you start and at first I got there, the makeup artist was local. They try and hire local people as much as they can and she didnt have a brush. Firstly, she wouldnt look at the photo. I had a photo of a guy. I had all these different ideas which I went over with Jared. There were different ideas but I wanted this really big poofy one. I showed her and she said, Okay. She was doing it without a brush. She didnt have a comb, she didnt have a brush, with her fingers trying to do it and she wouldnt look at it either. I remember like, No, its not like that. Youre not looking at it. No, I saw it. She got fired for a different reason. She insulted one of the actresses apparently on the same day. She got fired. If youre a hair stylist, youve got to at least have a comb.
SG: Is Chevaliers wardrobe comfortable?
JC: Well, its mostly comfortable but the jeans were very, very high so they could get uncomfortable at times.
SG: With the Chevalier websites providing more Chevalier beyond the movie, how long will you continue playing Chevalier?
JC: Well, I dont really continue doing it. I did a thing in Austin and I think I might introduce the film tonight as Chevalier but its not really my character. Its Jared and Jerusha [Hess]s character so I cant take it and have his own life without them.
SG: Are there musicians as pretentious as Chevalier is as an author?
JC: Im sure there are. Im sure there are.
SG: That youve encountered?
JC: Yeah, I knew that you were getting at that. Well, I started off doing theater and by that I mean putting on ridiculous shows with my friends with very little money. I meet people all the time that are just awful, just awful and just opinions of solid steel, just unchangeable.
SG: Have you been looking to have a career outside the Flight of the Conchords?
JC: We kind of started the Conchords as something else to do while we were doing other jobs, so it was more the other way around. The Flight of the Conchords was just an outlet for something fun to do.
SG: Well, youve been in several movies now. Are you more famous than Bret?
JC: I don't know. Brets got a different interest really to me. He mostly does music. We split up and I usually go and do comedy and he goes and plays gigs. He started a massive ukulele band. Almost every member plays ukulele and they do covers. Theyre really successful in New Zealand. They travel around and hes also in this reggae band which is one of New Zealands biggest bands actually. They play these big gigs and he plays with them too. So thats what he does. He had a solo album and hes probably writing some more music.
SG: I will have to check out his solo album.
JC: Yeah, check it out. Its not a comedy album though. Its dance. Its about dancing.
SG: My favorite Conchords song is Muthauckas because I also have too many muthauckas uckin with my shi.
JC: Yeah, who doesnt?
SG: What can we do about all these muthauckas uckin with our shi?
JC: Uck them up.
SG: Well, thats simple.
JC: Yeah, thats all I can say.
SG: It was also great how you covered every era of David Bowie, including Labyrinth. Were you a big Labyrinth fan?
JC: Yeah, I was actually. I remember when that movie came out in my town. The line was right around the block. Even the line to the movie was exciting. It was just the biggest line youd ever seen. At that time, it was probably one of the biggest groups of people Id ever seen all together, were lining up for Labyrinth.
SG: Were all movies like that in New Zealand?
JC: No, I don't know why. I guess because of Bowie. I guess there was a lot of hype around that movie.
SG: Is Sugarlumps your answer to Fergies humps?
JC: Yeah, and Keliss milkshake and a few other things. I thought it was time men objectified themselves.
SG: What was the idea behind a sensitive rap about hurt feelings?
JC: Usually the ideas for the song come first so a song about hurt feelings. Because our characters in the show think of themselves as rappers even though theyre pretty far from it, theyre pretty serious about rap.
SG: Have you ever recorded a proper version of Who Likes to Rock the Party?
JC: No, but I remember the first time that we did it live. I mean, the first time was all right but then the next time we did it, we used to do it like this: One of us would go, Mmph, kjj, oof, who like to rock the party, kshh, who likes to rock the party? We were trying to do a dance tune but with no instruments. We just bombed, but we brought it back to life for the show.
SG: When is the robot uprising?
JC: Yeah, its late. Its late. Its nine years late. Robots are surprisingly badly organized.
SG: Do your love songs actually woo women?
JC: Once someone came up to me and told me that she had sex listening to our live album and she thanked me. So I don't know, I guess.
SG: Im wondering if I tell a woman she could be a waitress or a part time model, would that work?
JC: Try it. Id love to know.
SG: Do you start with really good music and then think of words, or do you start with funny words and then add music to make it work?
JC: I think weve done every approach that you can do. Even more than that, sometimes we think of a character and we think of a song as a character. Say, like the song we did, Bus Driver Song, its about this bus driver who was driving around the country. Thats not in the show so its not as well known. Yeah, sometimes its a tune. Definitely when we first started it was always the tune. Wed make up words and sometimes they were funny and wed try and add more jokes and stuff. So it definitely began like that but usually now it starts with the idea of the song.
SG: Why does so much music take itself so seriously?
JC: Man, once I was doing this interview in Ireland and it was quite bad because it was over the phone, like on a cell phone. We were playing some sh*tty gig and we were trying to promote it. There was a serious musician on the show so the DJ was asking me, talking about funny music, So you do funny songs? And then the serious musician was really offended. He hadnt heard any of our stuff but hes like, Why are you hiding behind [humor]? Do you not have emotions? Really accusatory. I don't know why theyre like that. Also, a lot of our songs actually do come from serious things. Some of our breakup songs have come from breakups. We just think of it like that. We play in comedy clubs so well talk about real breakups but well disguise it. I dont even know if I could do that myself, actually go and put my heart out there.
SG: In a way, you can relate more to the real emotions of funny songs. Im Not Crying is really about pretending youre not sad.
JC: Theres so much interpretation open to music anyway. A lot of people think Leonard Cohen is the most depressing singer but hes one of my favorite singers. No, my favorite singer Ill say, and I find a lot of his lines really hilarious and clever and funny. But other people dont connect to them like that.
SG: Is there style the Conchords havent done yet? Theres been rock, techno, hip hop
JC: Well, for all the talk of folk, we hardly ever do folk. So maybe its time to do some folk. Bret, when he does his own music, its as I said dance music so he loves high production and stuff like that, always adding instruments. If I was more in charge, because Brets more in charge of that side of it, if I was more in charge it would be more like a folk album.
SG: If Youre Into It is folk, right?
JC: I guess so, in the instrumentation anyway.
SG: Youve said you dont want to do a third season of the HBO show because of the high demand to write scripts, write music and perform them both. But, hasnt the show allowed your music to thrive more than it ever would have without that exposure?
JC: Yeah, definitely. Yup, but I mean, usually we used to write one show a year maybe. Im talking about a live show so it was like an hours worth of songs. It would take about a month, but its quite hard to do and then wed play those songs for years along with other songs that we developed. If we had a whole lot of new songs ready that we loved, then we might go and make a show or a movie or something.
SG: Did the show inspire the songs or did the songs inspire plots for the show?
JC: Mostly in the first season we had the songs first, so sometimes wed think of a storyline to incorporate the song like the Bowie one. We had the Bowie song so we thought of a storyline to incorporate Bowie. But still, we would just write storylines and see if we could fit [the songs] in. Sometimes they worked really well, just coincidentally, and sometimes they didnt. Sometimes they seemed very forced. Hopefully people laughed at that.
SG: Its a musical. You dont care what the reason is for breaking into song.
JC: Thats right, you dont care. We care, but who knows? Perhaps we take it too seriously ourselves.
SG: What happened to the R in your name?
JC: When my mom had me, she was 17 and it was in the mid 70s at the height of Jackson 5 fever. I think she may have even been to a Jackson 5 concert sometime before she knew she was pregnant with me. So I was kind of named after Jermaine Jackson and my parents didnt want me to be called Jerm in school, so they took the R out. In New Zealand you dont really say your Rs.
SG: That is really thoughtful of them. Most parents dont have that foresight.
JC: I think you do think about that. I think most people do think about it but they were so young, they were just out of school and stuff.
SG: Can I be the second Flight of the Conchords fan?
JC: Yep, sign up.
SG: Is the sincerity of some of your ridiculous lines an important part of the humor?
JC: Yeah, yeah, thats the fun part about doing it as well. Its hard not to ham it up. Its hard to resist.
SG: You often end up being the response guy in the song. Is that a role you take on purpose?
JC: Yeah, well, If Youre Into It, I wrote that one so I gave myself all the jokes. I definitely did that one on purpose, gave myself all the funny lines.
Gentlemen Broncos is now playing and I Told You I Was Freaky is available in stores and online now.
His Flight of the Conchords character might not be much of a stretch. In person, unscripted, Clement carried himself and spoke the same way as his folk singing counterpart. He sat stiffly upright with hands folded and shoulders tight, and spoke in stunted fragments.
He didnt get any more relaxed in a private, one on one interview either, but we wouldnt have it any other way. That awkwardness makes sincere, innocent comedy in his songs with bandmate Bret McKenzie and their TV show on HBO. It also works for his new movie, Gentlemen Broncos.
Broncos casts Clement as sci-fi author Ronald Chevalier. Chevalier was a big shot with his Cyborg Harpies books but these days he resorts to plagiarizing work from kids at his writers camp. The film from Napoleon Dynamite writer/director Jared Hess combines his quirky real world characters with their bizarre sci-fi creations. Fans of the fictional Ronald Chevalier can find out more about him on the official website the filmmakers set up.
The Conchords also have a new album out, I Told You I Was Freaky which includes songs like Sugarlumps, about their male organs, and Hurt Feelings, a sensitive hardcore wrap. This interview contains a lot of inside jokes about Conchords songs so if anything sounds strange, listen to their music to find out what were talking about.
Suicide Girls: Did your hair grow out to Ronald Chevalier length or was that a wig?
Jemaine Clement: That was my own hair. I just sit there and someone does it but it take a lot of hairspray and a lot of back combing. Usually you do a screen test or a costume test before you start and at first I got there, the makeup artist was local. They try and hire local people as much as they can and she didnt have a brush. Firstly, she wouldnt look at the photo. I had a photo of a guy. I had all these different ideas which I went over with Jared. There were different ideas but I wanted this really big poofy one. I showed her and she said, Okay. She was doing it without a brush. She didnt have a comb, she didnt have a brush, with her fingers trying to do it and she wouldnt look at it either. I remember like, No, its not like that. Youre not looking at it. No, I saw it. She got fired for a different reason. She insulted one of the actresses apparently on the same day. She got fired. If youre a hair stylist, youve got to at least have a comb.
SG: Is Chevaliers wardrobe comfortable?
JC: Well, its mostly comfortable but the jeans were very, very high so they could get uncomfortable at times.
SG: With the Chevalier websites providing more Chevalier beyond the movie, how long will you continue playing Chevalier?
JC: Well, I dont really continue doing it. I did a thing in Austin and I think I might introduce the film tonight as Chevalier but its not really my character. Its Jared and Jerusha [Hess]s character so I cant take it and have his own life without them.
SG: Are there musicians as pretentious as Chevalier is as an author?
JC: Im sure there are. Im sure there are.
SG: That youve encountered?
JC: Yeah, I knew that you were getting at that. Well, I started off doing theater and by that I mean putting on ridiculous shows with my friends with very little money. I meet people all the time that are just awful, just awful and just opinions of solid steel, just unchangeable.
SG: Have you been looking to have a career outside the Flight of the Conchords?
JC: We kind of started the Conchords as something else to do while we were doing other jobs, so it was more the other way around. The Flight of the Conchords was just an outlet for something fun to do.
SG: Well, youve been in several movies now. Are you more famous than Bret?
JC: I don't know. Brets got a different interest really to me. He mostly does music. We split up and I usually go and do comedy and he goes and plays gigs. He started a massive ukulele band. Almost every member plays ukulele and they do covers. Theyre really successful in New Zealand. They travel around and hes also in this reggae band which is one of New Zealands biggest bands actually. They play these big gigs and he plays with them too. So thats what he does. He had a solo album and hes probably writing some more music.
SG: I will have to check out his solo album.
JC: Yeah, check it out. Its not a comedy album though. Its dance. Its about dancing.
SG: My favorite Conchords song is Muthauckas because I also have too many muthauckas uckin with my shi.
JC: Yeah, who doesnt?
SG: What can we do about all these muthauckas uckin with our shi?
JC: Uck them up.
SG: Well, thats simple.
JC: Yeah, thats all I can say.
SG: It was also great how you covered every era of David Bowie, including Labyrinth. Were you a big Labyrinth fan?
JC: Yeah, I was actually. I remember when that movie came out in my town. The line was right around the block. Even the line to the movie was exciting. It was just the biggest line youd ever seen. At that time, it was probably one of the biggest groups of people Id ever seen all together, were lining up for Labyrinth.
SG: Were all movies like that in New Zealand?
JC: No, I don't know why. I guess because of Bowie. I guess there was a lot of hype around that movie.
SG: Is Sugarlumps your answer to Fergies humps?
JC: Yeah, and Keliss milkshake and a few other things. I thought it was time men objectified themselves.
SG: What was the idea behind a sensitive rap about hurt feelings?
JC: Usually the ideas for the song come first so a song about hurt feelings. Because our characters in the show think of themselves as rappers even though theyre pretty far from it, theyre pretty serious about rap.
SG: Have you ever recorded a proper version of Who Likes to Rock the Party?
JC: No, but I remember the first time that we did it live. I mean, the first time was all right but then the next time we did it, we used to do it like this: One of us would go, Mmph, kjj, oof, who like to rock the party, kshh, who likes to rock the party? We were trying to do a dance tune but with no instruments. We just bombed, but we brought it back to life for the show.
SG: When is the robot uprising?
JC: Yeah, its late. Its late. Its nine years late. Robots are surprisingly badly organized.
SG: Do your love songs actually woo women?
JC: Once someone came up to me and told me that she had sex listening to our live album and she thanked me. So I don't know, I guess.
SG: Im wondering if I tell a woman she could be a waitress or a part time model, would that work?
JC: Try it. Id love to know.
SG: Do you start with really good music and then think of words, or do you start with funny words and then add music to make it work?
JC: I think weve done every approach that you can do. Even more than that, sometimes we think of a character and we think of a song as a character. Say, like the song we did, Bus Driver Song, its about this bus driver who was driving around the country. Thats not in the show so its not as well known. Yeah, sometimes its a tune. Definitely when we first started it was always the tune. Wed make up words and sometimes they were funny and wed try and add more jokes and stuff. So it definitely began like that but usually now it starts with the idea of the song.
SG: Why does so much music take itself so seriously?
JC: Man, once I was doing this interview in Ireland and it was quite bad because it was over the phone, like on a cell phone. We were playing some sh*tty gig and we were trying to promote it. There was a serious musician on the show so the DJ was asking me, talking about funny music, So you do funny songs? And then the serious musician was really offended. He hadnt heard any of our stuff but hes like, Why are you hiding behind [humor]? Do you not have emotions? Really accusatory. I don't know why theyre like that. Also, a lot of our songs actually do come from serious things. Some of our breakup songs have come from breakups. We just think of it like that. We play in comedy clubs so well talk about real breakups but well disguise it. I dont even know if I could do that myself, actually go and put my heart out there.
SG: In a way, you can relate more to the real emotions of funny songs. Im Not Crying is really about pretending youre not sad.
JC: Theres so much interpretation open to music anyway. A lot of people think Leonard Cohen is the most depressing singer but hes one of my favorite singers. No, my favorite singer Ill say, and I find a lot of his lines really hilarious and clever and funny. But other people dont connect to them like that.
SG: Is there style the Conchords havent done yet? Theres been rock, techno, hip hop
JC: Well, for all the talk of folk, we hardly ever do folk. So maybe its time to do some folk. Bret, when he does his own music, its as I said dance music so he loves high production and stuff like that, always adding instruments. If I was more in charge, because Brets more in charge of that side of it, if I was more in charge it would be more like a folk album.
SG: If Youre Into It is folk, right?
JC: I guess so, in the instrumentation anyway.
SG: Youve said you dont want to do a third season of the HBO show because of the high demand to write scripts, write music and perform them both. But, hasnt the show allowed your music to thrive more than it ever would have without that exposure?
JC: Yeah, definitely. Yup, but I mean, usually we used to write one show a year maybe. Im talking about a live show so it was like an hours worth of songs. It would take about a month, but its quite hard to do and then wed play those songs for years along with other songs that we developed. If we had a whole lot of new songs ready that we loved, then we might go and make a show or a movie or something.
SG: Did the show inspire the songs or did the songs inspire plots for the show?
JC: Mostly in the first season we had the songs first, so sometimes wed think of a storyline to incorporate the song like the Bowie one. We had the Bowie song so we thought of a storyline to incorporate Bowie. But still, we would just write storylines and see if we could fit [the songs] in. Sometimes they worked really well, just coincidentally, and sometimes they didnt. Sometimes they seemed very forced. Hopefully people laughed at that.
SG: Its a musical. You dont care what the reason is for breaking into song.
JC: Thats right, you dont care. We care, but who knows? Perhaps we take it too seriously ourselves.
SG: What happened to the R in your name?
JC: When my mom had me, she was 17 and it was in the mid 70s at the height of Jackson 5 fever. I think she may have even been to a Jackson 5 concert sometime before she knew she was pregnant with me. So I was kind of named after Jermaine Jackson and my parents didnt want me to be called Jerm in school, so they took the R out. In New Zealand you dont really say your Rs.
SG: That is really thoughtful of them. Most parents dont have that foresight.
JC: I think you do think about that. I think most people do think about it but they were so young, they were just out of school and stuff.
SG: Can I be the second Flight of the Conchords fan?
JC: Yep, sign up.
SG: Is the sincerity of some of your ridiculous lines an important part of the humor?
JC: Yeah, yeah, thats the fun part about doing it as well. Its hard not to ham it up. Its hard to resist.
SG: You often end up being the response guy in the song. Is that a role you take on purpose?
JC: Yeah, well, If Youre Into It, I wrote that one so I gave myself all the jokes. I definitely did that one on purpose, gave myself all the funny lines.
Gentlemen Broncos is now playing and I Told You I Was Freaky is available in stores and online now.
VIEW 5 of 5 COMMENTS
fitzsimmons:
Great interview. Love the show.
bellladonnna:
This makes me miss home