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Greenie Meltdown

Has nuclear energy finally melted Greenie hearts, or their brains?

When Stewart Brand, a founder of the Whole Earth Catalog, wrote an article in the May issue of Technology Review arguing that Nuclear power should be considered as a remedy for global warming, it was as if the founder of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals was caught eating a cheeseburger.


Stewart Brand and Sir David King, the British government’s chief scientific adviser, discussed concerns that current “green” energy sources (which, including wind and solar, account for only 3% of Britain’s total energy production) will not compensate for either the expected increase in energy needs of the country nor the expected energy gap as 11 of 12 existing Nuclear Power plants come offline due to retirement over the next 15 years.

France gets 77% of its energy from nuclear power, and at last report no one in Paris, the City of Light, glows in the dark. Nor does anyone in Belgium (58%), Sweden (45%), Switzerland (37%), Japan (31%), Spain (27%) or Britain (22%)...[S]ome countries actually reprocess some of their spent fuel, which retains 95% of its energy, making nuclear power a “renewable” resource.


Stewart is also showing regret regarding the downplaying of the Nuclear role for energy production, citing that the reduction in Nuclear's popularity since the Three Mile Island accident resulted in an increased dependence on fossil fuels such that damage done by carbon monoxide/dioxide far outweighs the risks of Nuclear energy.

It takes four tons of coal to provide the power needs of one inhabitant...for one year. A few ounces of uranium would fill that same need. In March, a tragic explosion at a Texas oil refinery killed 15 people. That’s 15 more than died in 1979 at Three Mile Island, the event that effectively shut down the U.S. nuclear power industry.

If we had simply built all the nuclear power plants that were in the pipeline at the time of the over-hyped Three Mile Island incident, we’d have reduced our current coal consumption by more than enough to satisfy the requirements of [the] Kyoto [protocol].


Maybe we can use Three Mile Island as farmland for genetically engineered crops.

 

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dem_z

dem_z

United Kingdom
June 2004

MAY 20, 2005 07:17 AM

The UK is almost certainly going to have nuclear power sometime soon. Blair's government will introduce plans this term.

I'm undecided. Modern tech should make nuclear plants much safer than the old style ones which seemed to spend most of the time leaking or meting down. But shouldn't we[tinw] be concentrating on reducing waste of energy and reducing need for energy by increasing efficiency? Also, the whole leaving killer waste that won't be safe for thousands of years thing puts me off a bit.

Nuclear power is fantastically expensive. It'd be great if some of that money could be spent making wind/wave/solar power better.

Idjit

Idjit

HOPEFUL

I'm lost

MAY 20, 2005 07:22 AM

You know, I can't say I'm surprised. It really seems like nuclear power is our best bet for the time being until some major breakthrough can bring the costs associated with other "clean" energy sources down to a realistic level. I've kind of hidden this opinion for a while since it's so "wrong" in relation to my liberal PoV - which is retarded, I know.

FWIW, we live within about 10 minutes from a nuclear power plant. People always ask me if it makes us nervous and I say "Not really. At least it's not a paper mill." In the event that there's a meltdown, at least we'll be the first to go. wink

JonnyJonnyH

JonnyJonnyH

Seattle, WA
June 2003

MAY 20, 2005 07:27 AM

The question is what do you do with the nuclear waste once it has been used.

Currently, you have to bury it somewhere, and that's the best option in the world. They need to dump money into renewable energy now, before it is too late.

d20

d20

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

MAY 20, 2005 07:32 AM

demetrius_z said:
Nuclear power is fantastically expensive. It'd be great if some of that money could be spent making wind/wave/solar power better.



i'd much rather see money go into something that'll never run out. after all, if we blow all our uranium on nuclear power how will we make more bombs?

packetrat

packetrat

Baltimore, MD
May 2005

MAY 20, 2005 07:42 AM

Nuclear power makes more sense than burning dead trees and dinosaurs; sure, the byproduct is nasty, but at least it can be relatively localized. Fossil fuels fuck the entire environment up.

Besides, we need the petrochemicals for all those plastic bottles of Evian. tongue

What we really need is to put tax money from all fossil fuel use into fusion research.

wakeangel

wakeangel

Beaverton, OR
October 2003

MAY 20, 2005 07:52 AM

I have to chime in here. Nuclear energy is currently cheaper and more effecient than any other energy source. Current technology is on Generation IV reactors. The Breeder Reactor which puts tiny Uranium pellets inside a high strength grafite ball is virtually meltdown proof (this is a generalization of how a breeder reactor works but it's been a few years since I read about them). Three Mile Island was a Gen. I reactor. Technology has vastly improved since then. One the interesting things is coal actually does release radioactive carbons into the air, tons of it. A nuclear power plant isn't allowed to release a single atom. Clean coal ain't so clean, when you pull the carbon out of it what do you do with the tons of carbon? Nuclear energy can be used to reduce green house emmissions by up to fifty percent within twenty years (this is if we went at it full speed). Another interesting, and good, by-product of nuclear energy is the ability to produce a lot of hydrogen for fuel cell powered cars. To produce hydroge you need two things, heat and electricity. Nuclear energy can produce both of these things. France and Japan have been recycling their core rods for many years and have had few if any accidents and zero fatalities. Right now the use of fossil fuel is rising, not just here in the States, all over the world. Wind, solar and other renewable resources won't be able to help us for some time, at least at the current rate of advancement. As for the waiste, if you can build concrete pads and let things sit on them to cool off for a short period of time before storing them underground and this takes alot of the danger out of them. I know this sounds insane but it would work. Radioactivity wouldn't increase in the atmosphere enough that we'd notice (I'll have to research this more). I am also a liberal and pretty damn green I might add but I've read a lot of articles on this and right now it IS our best hope to stop global warming for the next fifty years or until a better and cleaner source of energy comes along.

SilverRevolver

SilverRevolver

United Kingdom
May 2004

MAY 20, 2005 08:26 AM

In addition you use the surplus energy to break water into hydrogen, the only way to make hydrogen fueled cars efficient or practical.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

MAY 20, 2005 08:29 AM

Environmentalists using their brains. What next?

alpha_hazard

alpha_hazard

Fort Collins, CO
April 2004

MAY 20, 2005 08:58 AM

it's not that terrible...it's still a nimby issue though, for both the plant and waste processing.

smithers_jones

smithers_jones

I'm lost
November 2003

MAY 20, 2005 08:59 AM

stockula said:
Environmentalists using their brains. What next?



Right-wingers using science?

smithers_jones

smithers_jones

I'm lost
November 2003

MAY 20, 2005 09:05 AM

Of course most greenhouse gasses are caused by people driving cars, trucks, busses, planes, and other such things that are powered by combustion engines, not nuclear reactors. (70 percent of the world's petroleum resources are used for this purpose). Also, nuclear power is “clean” only if you don’t count the radioactive waste we still don’t know how to safely store for millions of years. Yucca Mountain anyone? So yeah, nuclear power is “clean.”

How about that new Hummer?

dem_z

dem_z

United Kingdom
June 2004

MAY 20, 2005 09:12 AM

d20 said:

demetrius_z said:
Nuclear power is fantastically expensive. It'd be great if some of that money could be spent making wind/wave/solar power better.



i'd much rather see money go into something that'll never run out. after all, if we blow all our uranium on nuclear power how will we make more bombs?



I think we need to make better use of our existing nuclear weapons before we start building any more. ooo aaa

(almost a Jack Handy quote.)

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

MAY 20, 2005 09:14 AM

The problem with nuclear reactors and storage of nuclear waste is summarized by this phrase:

Not In My Backyard.

Everyone is totally interested in nuclear power, and completely convinced that it's safe and efficient and necessary -- until you try to build a nuclear power plant in their county.

Idjit

Idjit

HOPEFUL

I'm lost

MAY 20, 2005 10:01 AM

smithers_jones said:
Of course most greenhouse gasses are caused by people driving cars, trucks, busses, planes, and other such things that are powered by combustion engines, not nuclear reactors.



Cars currently aren't powered by nuclear reactors - but with hydrogen fuel cells, they could be.

d20

d20

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

MAY 20, 2005 11:36 AM

demetrius_z said:

d20 said:

demetrius_z said:
Nuclear power is fantastically expensive. It'd be great if some of that money could be spent making wind/wave/solar power better.



i'd much rather see money go into something that'll never run out. after all, if we blow all our uranium on nuclear power how will we make more bombs?



I think we need to make better use of our existing nuclear weapons before we start building any more. ooo aaa

(almost a Jack Handy quote.)



reduce, reuse, re-nuke.

smithers_jones said:

stockula said:
Environmentalists using their brains. What next?



Right-wingers using science?



i hope at least a little bit of physics goes into making all those weapons. then again, lack of scientific prowess might explain why missile defense systems tend to fail so spectacularly... "sheeyit jeb, whyfor'd ya duct tape the rockets shut?"

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