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  • SUNDAY MAY 15 2005 10:31 AM

No Politics for You, Canada

When Paul Martin's minority government was elected, all parties thought a lot would get be accomplished.

The hope was that in order for big bills (read: budgets) to be passed, major compromises and increased spending would appease the majority of parliamentarians to the benefit of Canadians.

That optimism has gone out the window as the government hangs on the brink of collapse and policy-making has ground to a halt.

Canada's minority Liberal government, under heavy pressure over a corruption scandal, looks set to lose a confidence vote next week, government and opposition officials said on Friday.

Prime Minister Paul Martin has proposed Parliament vote on his budget next Thursday and says he will call an election if he loses.

The main opposition Conservative Party wants the vote immediately but indications are that whenever it is held, the Liberals have a poor chance of surviving, even though the vote will be close.


Conservatives have refused to attend committee meetings until the vote is held. Furthermore, Harper has called Martin's timing exploitative of a Conservative MPs illness. It is, after all, about numbers. The Conservative MP in question suffers from cancer and is due for an operation on Wednesday - and would miss the vote on Thursday.

Despite policy-making having been stalled, politics is in full force. From references to the Klu Klux Klan to the Holocaust, both Liberals and Conservatives alike have been slinging the mud.

Minority governments have such potential - it is from minority governments that universal heath care for Canadians was forged. Instead the Bloc Québequois and Conservative Parties alike seek to utilize the situation to gain seats instead of utilizing the Government minority numbers to press for policies that benefit Canadians.

 

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troglodyte

troglodyte

Victoria, BC
May 2003

MAY 15, 2005 10:28 PM

Andvari said:

troglodyte said:

OpticNerve said:

troglodyte said:I wouldn't worry too much about that. If the Conservatives win a minority (and I've got $10 that says that's what's going to happen), look at who the opposition will be: the Liberals, the NDP, and the Bloc, all of which are socially liberal. The Conservatives would have a hell of a time getting any really regressive social policy past them.



I wouldn't be so complacent about that. There are a lot of Liberal MPs who do not support the party's policy on the legalization of same-sex marriages, and there are Bloc MPs who are just as against same-sex marriages as your average Conservative MP.


That's why God invented party discipline. smile



Which the liberals have said they will not enforce on the same sex vote. frown


Things change. They could change their tune if they find themselves in a situation where they can't afford to be fractured. Also, I can't see a significant number of Bloc members opposing it.

I_M

I_M

Canada
January 2004

MAY 15, 2005 10:37 PM

zenFish said:

OpticNerve said:
The funny thing is that a win for Harper is a win for the Bloc, as my separatist ex-gf told me. The country will have an anti-Quebec PM, which will give the separatist movement that kind of push it has needed. The Bloc can also argue to the Quebecois that the Canadian federal system is dysfunctional with the election of Harper and now is the time to push for secession from the federation.



which is what Harper doesn't see, and probably what Ducept (sp?) actually does.

I'm hoping for either a NDP or Liberal win.. if the Liberal party can stay in for the rest of their term, things will settle and we should make it out fine. If the NDP come in, we'll still avoid losing Quebec.

If Harper does get in, say hello to some shitty treatment of tons of things (gay marriages have already been mentioned, but probably also immigration/minority treatments as well will go down the tubes).

Plus losing a province, will make this country look like more of a joke to the rest of the world, and who know how long quebec would stay on it's own feet, before being owned by someone else.

Ugh, this entire thing stinks... Harper doesn't give a damn about Canada, he just wants power... and as bad as the Gomery inquiry is, you have to realize that more involved are just trying to save their own skin.



This is contrary to everything I've seen and heard recently in Quebec; A Liberal win will pretty much GUARANTEE another referendum. I may not have that many friends in Quebec, but I have found that NONE of them have any love or respect for the liberals (and they don't have too much respect for Layton either)

I_M

I_M

Canada
January 2004

MAY 15, 2005 10:53 PM

Sivart said:
i wish the conservatives would just go away. if they spent less time digging up dirt and saying black is white just because it contradicst the liberals, things would get done.

and now they want to force an election within about a year of the last one? wow, i'm glad they're willing to spend my tax dollars so frivolously. don't their supporters realize that an election costs a LOT of money?

the most disgusting thing is, if an election is called, it will still be a minority government, and if the conservatives win, they'll really have no more power than they do now.

if an election is called, lets get rid of the retards and vote ndp.



I'm not afraid of how much an election will cost, but how much it will cost not having an election! The liberals have already misspent (read: stolen) BILLIONS through HRDC, gun registry, land registry and sponsorship and are throwing around BILLIONS more ($22bill. ? to date) in campaign promises - of course as they are liberals we don't have to worry about the last one since they never keep their promises! I don't care what the rest of the world thinks, but I am tired of seeing my country turned into a third world nation by a bunch of myopic lemmings voting out of fear instead of pulling their heads out of their asses, getting involved and finding out what is really going on. Politicians will do whatever you let them get away with; stop whining, get a spine, set some standards and hold them to it, your refusal to do these simple things is exactly why we are in this mess.

Andvari

Andvari

Calgary, AB
April 2005

MAY 15, 2005 10:54 PM

I_M said:

zenFish said:

OpticNerve said:
The funny thing is that a win for Harper is a win for the Bloc, as my separatist ex-gf told me. The country will have an anti-Quebec PM, which will give the separatist movement that kind of push it has needed. The Bloc can also argue to the Quebecois that the Canadian federal system is dysfunctional with the election of Harper and now is the time to push for secession from the federation.



which is what Harper doesn't see, and probably what Ducept (sp?) actually does.

I'm hoping for either a NDP or Liberal win.. if the Liberal party can stay in for the rest of their term, things will settle and we should make it out fine. If the NDP come in, we'll still avoid losing Quebec.

If Harper does get in, say hello to some shitty treatment of tons of things (gay marriages have already been mentioned, but probably also immigration/minority treatments as well will go down the tubes).

Plus losing a province, will make this country look like more of a joke to the rest of the world, and who know how long quebec would stay on it's own feet, before being owned by someone else.

Ugh, this entire thing stinks... Harper doesn't give a damn about Canada, he just wants power... and as bad as the Gomery inquiry is, you have to realize that more involved are just trying to save their own skin.



This is contrary to everything I've seen and heard recently in Quebec; A Liberal win will pretty much GUARANTEE another referendum. I may not have that many friends in Quebec, but I have found that NONE of them have any love or respect for the liberals (and they don't have too much respect for Layton either)



You seem to be implying that they would vote for the Conservatives, which I would find strange. But on the other hand I haven't been to Quebec since I was six (but this fall I'll be there smile).

I_M

I_M

Canada
January 2004

MAY 15, 2005 11:08 PM

No Andvari, the 40-50% who do not want to vote Bloc are quite divided which will just hand the Bloc that many more seats; I just know how they see the liberals and the 'Canada' that the liberals represent. I've been fortunate enough to visit a couple of times this year and love it more each time I go so I really hope things turn out for the better. Hopefully we'll still be one big happy family when you make your trip!

Andvari

Andvari

Calgary, AB
April 2005

MAY 15, 2005 11:16 PM

I_M said:
No Andvari, the 40-50% who do not want to vote Bloc are quite divided which will just hand the Bloc that many more seats; I just know how they see the liberals and the 'Canada' that the liberals represent. I've been fortunate enough to visit a couple of times this year and love it more each time I go so I really hope things turn out for the better. Hopefully we'll still be one big happy family when you make your trip!



Yeah. It would be nice to see Quebec while it is still part of Canada.
I don't want them to leave for purely selfish reasons. They inject badly needed class into the country.

LoadedDiceInc

LoadedDiceInc

Dover, NH
April 2005

MAY 16, 2005 08:01 AM

This is disgusting!!! News reporting has gone from the reporting the facts to just selling stories in many cases. Some of us are smart enough to see it. Other are not. This is not the first time this has happened I'm sure. My question is? What else has been falsely reported in the past? Sometimes the media makes me sick. Welcome to the decline of western civilization everyone!!!

Aya

Aya

SUICIDEGIRL

Alberta, Canada

MAY 16, 2005 08:22 AM

LoadedDiceInc said:
This is disgusting!!! News reporting has gone from the reporting the facts to just selling stories in many cases. Some of us are smart enough to see it. Other are not. This is not the first time this has happened I'm sure. My question is? What else has been falsely reported in the past? Sometimes the media makes me sick. Welcome to the decline of western civilization everyone!!!



Huh?

abadinfluence

abadinfluence

Canada
July 2003

MAY 16, 2005 10:57 AM

I_M said:

abadinfluence said:
I could literally go on forever about this ... Stephen Harper is the Canadian equivilent to George W. Bush.

I just hope that we Canadians can prove to be a little harder to brainwash.



Actually, Stockwell Day is the Canadian equivalent to GWB and, unfortunately, Paul Martin has found Canadians extremely easy to brainwash!




Lemme say this first - I have no affiliation to any party. I am under the full belief that it really doesn't matter who you vote for or what party wins - 'cause you'll get screwed over in the end anyways.

But - I will say this.

I'd take a guy who loses money and gives it to his friends ANY day over some guy that wants to put millions and millions of dollars into our military and start allying up to the States.

While our military is vastly underfunded, I totally do not agree with splurging on it and making it a big thing, 'cause really - we don't fucking need it.

We aren't doing anything that is pissing anyone off enough to make them want to start shit with us ... except maybe the States - but I don't think they've fogotten why the White House is that colour yet.

So if we aren't doing anything to warrant defending ourselves, and our typical role in any conflict around the world is as PEACEKEEPER - not property and life DESTROYER - what the motherfucking hell do we need to boost our military for? Just in case we get too much snow here in Toronto again? In case some more power lines freeze in Quebec?

The money that he is proposing to spend in the military alone could be put to better uses that will make Canada grow and prosper in all the right ways.

Harper always seems to have the sly smile on his face that Dubya has too when he is talking to the masses. And a sly smile on a politician has never said good ANYWHERE.

Has anyone ever heard an interview one on one with Stephen Harper? The man is a robot when it comes to answering questions. He either lambastes another party for something or goes off on a tangent about anything but what the question was that was asked.

I cannot say that Martin is the best ... however, Harper, I can almost guarantee, is definitely the worst possible thing that could happen to Canada.

Yes folks ... I'm saying that Jack Layton would make a better PM than Harper. Hell ... frankly, it would be better for Canada if Doucette or whomever is leading the Bloc party wins.

Harper has a plan alright ... and ultimately, his plan is to turn Canada into a giant State.

I, for one, won't stand for that.

Andvari

Andvari

Calgary, AB
April 2005

MAY 16, 2005 11:25 AM

Aya said:

LoadedDiceInc said:
This is disgusting!!! News reporting has gone from the reporting the facts to just selling stories in many cases. Some of us are smart enough to see it. Other are not. This is not the first time this has happened I'm sure. My question is? What else has been falsely reported in the past? Sometimes the media makes me sick. Welcome to the decline of western civilization everyone!!!



Huh?



I think he thought he was writing in the thread about the Newsweek retraction on the Koran desecration.

But who do I think I am to think that I'd know what he was thinking.

LoadedDiceInc

LoadedDiceInc

Dover, NH
April 2005

MAY 16, 2005 02:41 PM

Aya said:

LoadedDiceInc said:
This is disgusting!!! News reporting has gone from the reporting the facts to just selling stories in many cases. Some of us are smart enough to see it. Other are not. This is not the first time this has happened I'm sure. My question is? What else has been falsely reported in the past? Sometimes the media makes me sick. Welcome to the decline of western civilization everyone!!!



Huh?



I don't know how this ended up here. This was a comment in regards to the Newsweak story.

Andvari

Andvari

Calgary, AB
April 2005

MAY 16, 2005 03:01 PM

LoadedDiceInc said:

Aya said:

LoadedDiceInc said:
This is disgusting!!! News reporting has gone from the reporting the facts to just selling stories in many cases. Some of us are smart enough to see it. Other are not. This is not the first time this has happened I'm sure. My question is? What else has been falsely reported in the past? Sometimes the media makes me sick. Welcome to the decline of western civilization everyone!!!



Huh?



I don't know how this ended up here. This was a comment in regards to the Newsweak story.




Score!!! I love being right. biggrin It happens so rarely. frown

Pauillac

Pauillac

Canada
April 2003

MAY 17, 2005 02:58 PM

I think I heard a radio report that suggested that Belinda Stronach has jumped ship to the Liberal party.

How's that for a " fuck you " to Harper?

shawntastic

shawntastic

Winnipeg, MB
April 2005

MAY 29, 2005 01:50 AM

Pauillac said:
I think I heard a radio report that suggested that Belinda Stronach has jumped ship to the Liberal party.

How's that for a " fuck you " to Harper?



As much as Stronach's coming across as a shady, two-timing bitch for that move, I love that woman for screwing Harper over.

Andvari

Andvari

Calgary, AB
April 2005

JUN 06, 2005 01:42 PM

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