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No Need to Fear, David Horowitz is Here

MONDAY APRIL 25 2005 11:17 AM

Submitted by JekyllAndHyde. Edited By legionnaire.

Apparently not content with a Republican president and a majority in both the House and the Senate, conservatives are now setting their sights on what is perhaps the greatest threat to the future of America that doesn't include the word "terrorists": our nation's universities. It seems as though dastardly liberals have pervaded the college world and are currently engaged in a diabolical scheme to warp the easily-convinced minds of our fledgling academics.

But intrepid conservatives should fear not, for salvation has arrived in the form of David Horowitz. His draft outline for an Academic Bill of Rights is slowly making its way across state governments even as we speak. From Horowitz's website:

Two reports recently released by the Center for the Study of Popular Culture reveal that 93.6% of the faculty at Colorado University (Boulder) and 98% of the faculty at Denver University who registered in political primaries were Democrats, a distribution that clearly suggest a bias in the system of training and hiring academic faculty. A previous report by the Center showed that the average ratio of Democrats to Republicans on 32 elite colleges was 10 to 1 and in some schools was as high as 30-1.


Horowitz aims to limit the practice of professors giving any form of political opinion in the classroom.

Perhaps the test results Horowitz cited simply mean that the most accomplished academics in our country have proven to be those of the liberal persuasion? And what would happen if a student received a failing grade on a biology test because he refused to answer any questions relating to evolution on the grounds that he firmly believes in Creationism? Would this student then be able to skip an entire section of a required class by claiming his professor is in violation of the Academic Bill of Rights?

At this point, Republicans have more power in Congress and in the White House than they have had in decades, and yet many are still acting like victims. And now they're afraid of professors who might have a critical mind of their own which they will use to indoctrinate their students. Because apparently nobody who has made it to any form of higher education has the mental capacity to formulate thoughts on their own, and they base all of their beliefs on what one simple professor might remark offhand in a lecture.

 

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rottenart

rottenart

Norman, OK
February 2004

APR 25, 2005 10:29 PM

DrGonzo2000 said:
This would be more promising if it was Jerome Horwitz.



HA! or david berkowitz.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

APR 25, 2005 10:44 PM

horowitz is a complete idiot.

entire departments at universities are devoted to spreading conservative ideas, notably economics and business. the others are either apolitical (like math and engineering) or so subjective that no one's minds are being changed anyway.

in short, nothing but false hysteria from the usual crowd of whiners.

has horowitz had his pie in the face yet?

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

APR 25, 2005 10:48 PM

s5 said:
horowitz is a complete idiot.

entire departments at universities are devoted to spreading conservative ideas, notably economics and business. the others are either apolitical (like math and engineering) or so subjective that no one's minds are being changed anyway.

in short, nothing but false hysteria from the usual crowd of whiners.

has horowitz had his pie in the face yet?



He's been attacked for speaking his mind, yes.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

APR 25, 2005 10:53 PM

s5 said:
horowitz is a complete idiot.

entire departments at universities are devoted to spreading conservative ideas, notably economics and business.


Well, oddly enough, I don't find that having an understanding of a concept like opportunity cost, or how balance of payments identities work, or what demand elasticities are, turn one into an arch-conservative. confused

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

APR 25, 2005 10:53 PM

stockula said:

s5 said:
horowitz is a complete idiot.

entire departments at universities are devoted to spreading conservative ideas, notably economics and business. the others are either apolitical (like math and engineering) or so subjective that no one's minds are being changed anyway.

in short, nothing but false hysteria from the usual crowd of whiners.

has horowitz had his pie in the face yet?



He's been attacked for speaking his mind, yes.


The poor darling. How will he cope?

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

APR 25, 2005 10:55 PM

Pretty fine is my guess. He keeps writing books, giving lectures, and creating handy databases.

http://www.discoverthenetwork.org

[Edited on Apr 25, 2005 by stockula]

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

APR 25, 2005 11:00 PM

stockula said:
Pretty fine is my guess. He keeps writing books, giving lectures...


...and being an idiot of the first order.

Hence he appeals to you.

And the circle is complete.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

APR 25, 2005 11:04 PM

Schweet

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

APR 25, 2005 11:05 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:
Well, oddly enough, I don't find that having an understanding of a concept like opportunity cost, or how balance of payments identities work, or what demand elasticities are, turn one into an arch-conservative. confused



i'm not saying economics is inherently conservative, nor is business, but i have noticed that to be the bias of people (in general) coming out of such programs.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

APR 25, 2005 11:11 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:
The poor darling. How will he cope?



by adding Sara Lee and Hostess to his database of the eeevil left wing conspiracy to silence preachy idiots, of course.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

APR 25, 2005 11:22 PM

s5 said:

TheFuckOffKid said:
Well, oddly enough, I don't find that having an understanding of a concept like opportunity cost, or how balance of payments identities work, or what demand elasticities are, turn one into an arch-conservative. confused



i'm not saying economics is inherently conservative, nor is business, but i have noticed that to be the bias of people (in general) coming out of such programs.


One wonders whether it's the bias of people going into those programs. On average, they attract the I-want-to-make-money types.

(Actually, there is a part-facetious part-serious research question regarding whether studying economics makes one more selfish, or whether it's an artifact of the self-selection of the student body.)

But in Bush's America, knowing something about economics actually makes it hard to be ultraconservative, if that means going along with the current administration. Ask Paul Krugman, or Brad deLong, or Nouriel Roubini, or Larry Kotlikoff. Even the not-so-lefties like Tyler Cowen and Alex Tabarrok were saying "They're not tax cuts, they're tax shifts", regarding what happens when taxes are lowered in an era of deficits.

The likes of Glenn Hubbard and Greg Mankiw must envy their colleagues who were CEA chairs under Clinton. Imagine advising a president who not only listens, but comprehends.... motherfucker!! eeek

spudboy

spudboy

Canton, OH
February 2003

APR 26, 2005 12:12 AM

stockula said:

s5 said:
horowitz is a complete idiot.

entire departments at universities are devoted to spreading conservative ideas, notably economics and business. the others are either apolitical (like math and engineering) or so subjective that no one's minds are being changed anyway.

in short, nothing but false hysteria from the usual crowd of whiners.

has horowitz had his pie in the face yet?



He's been attacked for speaking his mind, yes.



he's been attacked!? i hope he's doing alright. is he in stable condition?


...ooooh, you mean his points of view were criticized, sometimes unfortunately through ad hominem arguments.

sad to say, but that's often what you get when participating in democracy. people are rarely actually willing to take an issue and discuss it intelligently without resorting to name calling and other sorts of fallacious reasoning.

for example: this thread has turned into debate about horowitz and not about the actual issue of whether there IS a liberal bias in colleges and if so, how it can be fixed.

[Edited on Apr 26, 2005 3:29AM]

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

APR 26, 2005 01:17 AM

spudboy said:
for example: this thread has turned into debate about horowitz and not about the actual issue of whether there IS a liberal bias in colleges and if so, how it can be fixed.


Well, I've pointed to links showing the sample of academics form which the "bias" claims were made was itself biased.

I've noted at least anecdotal evidence provided by a leading member of the "conservative academic discipline" of economics who has asked scientists why they don't like Republicans, and posted some of the responses he got, in taxonomic form.

I have, not in this thread but elsewhere, commented that there has been a lamentable tradition in recent decades for humanities departments to become narrowly politicised. Trust me, I've banged on about that enough in various places not to be able to be accused of somehow overlooking that issue. (An issue that led leftist physicist Alan Sokal to satirise the idea of a leftist, "transgressive", physics.)

But that's a disciplinary issue, not a whole-of-university issue. The real reason liberals dominate US universities are because a particularly idiotic brand of conservatism has taken hold of the Republican party, root and branch.

In my country, we have a conservative government, and while there's lots liberals here dislike about them, they are not stark raving moonbats like the current US administration often appears to be. It's easier to be a conservative professor here, simply because you have to spend far less of your time distancing yourself from raving moonbat propositions that you're too embarassed to even try to support.

So here's a proposition regarding how to "fix" the "problem".

Don't elect complete fucking moonbats to high office.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

APR 26, 2005 01:20 AM

spudboy said:

stockula said:

s5 said:
horowitz is a complete idiot.

entire departments at universities are devoted to spreading conservative ideas, notably economics and business. the others are either apolitical (like math and engineering) or so subjective that no one's minds are being changed anyway.

in short, nothing but false hysteria from the usual crowd of whiners.

has horowitz had his pie in the face yet?



He's been attacked for speaking his mind, yes.



he's been attacked!? i hope he's doing alright. is he in stable condition?


...ooooh, you mean his points of view were criticized, sometimes unfortunately through ad hominem arguments.

sad to say, but that's often what you get when participating in democracy. people are rarely actually willing to take an issue and discuss it intelligently without resorting to name calling and other sorts of fallacious reasoning.

for example: this thread has turned into debate about horowitz and not about the actual issue of whether there IS a liberal bias in colleges and if so, how it can be fixed.

[Edited on Apr 26, 2005 3:29AM]




I suppose if it takes physical attacks to validate Horowitz's views, then I should applaud such attacks. But I dont feel that way. I have the extremist opinion he should be able to speak without his enemies disrupting his speeches. If his ideas are so idiotic and stupid on their face, why is Horowitz so vehementely attacked whenever he makes a public appearance? Why is the Left so threatened by what he has to say? He's obviously saying something they dont want the public to hear, and using ever avenue they can to silence him. Alll that does is further my interest in what he has to say, and lends him credibility.

For example, I love the fact Howard Dean is the chairman on the DNC and goes around the country mocking Republicans, calling them evil and liars. It's fantastic. More, please.

[Edited on Apr 26, 2005 by stockula]

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

APR 26, 2005 01:26 AM

stockula said:
If his ideas are so idiotic and stupid on their face, why is Horowitz so vehementely attacked whenever he makes a public appearance?



because it's funny. he's a clown, so he gets a pie in the face, like a clown.

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