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  • THURSDAY APRIL 7 2005 12:09 PM

San Diego Group Proposes Male Circumcision Ban in Congress

A San Diego-based group has proposed a bill in Congress that would ban circumcising baby boys, or as the group calls it, “Male Genital Mutilation.” Many religious groups are very angry that the government would interfere with an religious edict and are examining their options in the courts.

The MGM bill has not yet found a Congressional sponsor and is therefore unlikely to go anywhere in the near future. Nonetheless, it raises important questions about the relationship between the protection of children, gender equality, and religious freedom, questions that have ramifications beyond the proposed bill itself.

Reportedly, at this time, more than half of the baby boys born in the United States undergo circumcision. For most of these infants, a doctor performs the procedure. For a minority, however, circumcision is a religious ceremony. It ordinarily occurs on the eighth day of a Jewish baby's life. For Muslim children, it may occur on the seventh or eighth day of the boy's life, some time in his first five years, or during adolescence.

The ceremony serves, for many Jewish and Muslim families, as both a celebration of their children and an assertion of religious identity. [...]

If circumcision turns out to be what medical professionals are saying that it is -- unanesthetized amputation from a newborn child of living, healthy tissue flush with nerve endings, for no medically beneficial result -- then it might seem quite proper to prevent parents from subjecting their infants to this cruelty.

Yet there is a worry, and it is significant. The worry is that perhaps, out of the many painful things that people do to their children, the law could be singling this one out for prohibition at least in part because the practitioners are religiously motivated, and the religions in question are minority religions in the United States.

There is a troubling precedent for this sort of targeting. In Nazi Germany, for example, the law prohibited Kosher slaughter of animals. Though the treatment of so-called food animals and their slaughter -- Kosher or otherwise -- is indeed extremely cruel, the law in Nazi Germany did not address itself to the whole category of cruelty to the sentient warm-blooded animals who are routinely and unnecessarily killed for food. Rather, it singled out the Jews' religious practice, and it did so out of anti-semitism rather than any true humane concerns for animals.


While a law like this doesn’t not explicitly single out Jews and Muslim families, the implicit message is that these minority groups would bear most of the burden of the law.

The [...] concern animates the idea that one way to ensure that the majority does not pass excessively burdensome legislation (in which the costs outweigh the benefits) is to require that the burdens of the law fall equally upon everyone. The equality principle, in other words, protects everyone from overreaching by ensuring that the majority truly experiences the negative consequences of its decisions and will therefore -- on its own -- seek to weigh costs and benefits in an honest fashion.


It’s all rather unfortunate that we can’t ask the those getting circumcised what they want.

 

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dem_z

dem_z

United Kingdom
June 2004

APR 07, 2005 12:13 PM

I can't see what the problem is. If someone said their religion required them to snip off the left earlobe of all newborn infants most people would happily call them fuckwits and do something to protect the child.

If someone wishes to follow a religion let them get a circumcision when they're 18. Their body, their choice and all that.

legionnaire

legionnaire

Belgium
November 2003

APR 07, 2005 12:20 PM

demetrius_z said:
I can't see what the problem is. If someone said their religion required them to snip off the left earlobe of all newborn infants most people would happily call them fuckwits and do something to protect the child.

If someone wishes to follow a religion let them get a circumcision when they're 18. Their body, their choice and all that.


Agreed. There was even phony "medical" studies in the 50's and 60s claiming that circumcized penises were more "hygienic" somehow. Well duh, if you don't pull back the foreskin and wash underneath it's going to get gross. But that's like saying that everyone should cut their feet off because some people have smelly feet.

Skryche

skryche

New York, NY
January 2003

APR 07, 2005 12:30 PM

Thirded.

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

APR 07, 2005 12:32 PM

I dont think male circumcision is a big deal. But that's just me personally.

I just think it should be left up to parents, who will still overwhelmingly probably decide to circumcise.

dem_z

dem_z

United Kingdom
June 2004

APR 07, 2005 12:35 PM

skankzor said:
I just think it should be left up to parents, who will still overwhelmingly probably decide to circumcise.


How about "stubbing a cigarette out on a newborn baby's arm", or "tattooing my newborn baby"? Should that be left up to parents too? What's the difference? confused

GramNegative

GramNegative

I'm lost
October 2004

APR 07, 2005 12:43 PM

FGM

In the United States, Rep. Pat Schroeder has written a bill to prohibit female genital mutilation (FGM), H.R. 3247.


whats good for the clit is good for the cock?

[Edited on Apr 07, 2005 by dspsg]

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

APR 07, 2005 12:44 PM

I don't think these people do it to hurt thier kids. Why not just leave them to it?

KaraLynn

KaraLynn

Beverly Hills, CA
April 2004

APR 07, 2005 12:45 PM

I am a no-circ mom and I honestly have no problems with religious ceremonial circumcision but I beleive any responsible Doctor should refuse to do it without medical reason.

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

APR 07, 2005 12:48 PM

dspsg said:
FGM

In the United States, Rep. Pat Schroeder has written a bill to prohibit female genital mutilation (FGM), H.R. 3247.


whats good for the clit is good for the cock?

[Edited on Apr 07, 2005 by dspsg]



My friend just got hers pierced. Would that be illegal?

sadisticmika

sadisticmika

I'm lost
July 2004

APR 07, 2005 12:49 PM

Uh, wow, the fact that someone would actually use 'male genital mutilation', in light of what really goes on abusively to African women, sort of makes me want to punch someone.

http://www.amnesty.org/

mamet

mamet

Charleston, SC
March 2005

APR 07, 2005 12:49 PM

I'd be pissed off if I weren't circumcized. Pissed off. Let's be honest, this does not adversely affect the baby in the long run. They're not going to remember it. However, this has a religious basis, and should ultimately be left up to the parent. This isn't tantamount to torture or comparable to putting out a cigarette on a baby's arm. But regardless of whether you agree with it or not, it should be a family issue, not a legal one.

dirtyground

dirtyground

Chicago, IL
August 2003

APR 07, 2005 12:49 PM

i dont call my penis uncircumsized... i call it "convertible".

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

APR 07, 2005 12:50 PM

It's one of those things we [humans] do just because we've always done it. We don't know why, but if you ask us about it, we'll pull shit out of our ass to justify it or get irrationally angry.

sadisticmika

sadisticmika

I'm lost
July 2004

APR 07, 2005 12:52 PM

Keith said:
It's one of those things we [humans] do just because we've always done it. We don't know why, but if you ask us about it, we'll pull shit out of our ass to justify it or get irrationally angry.

I'm not for or against, don't care... But there are also hygine issues... I never could figure out the religious thing, since I don't know who or what should or shouldn't be circimsized... Jewish, Catholics, that I know... Germans? no... (I only know that last part from watching Europa Europa.

mamet

mamet

Charleston, SC
March 2005

APR 07, 2005 12:53 PM

sadisticmika said:
Uh, wow, the fact that someone would actually use 'male genital mutilation', in light of what really goes on abusively to African women, sort of makes me want to punch someone.

http://www.amnesty.org/



Seriously, to even compare the two is ridiculous. Circumcision is nowhere near female genital mutilation.
Ain't even the same fuckin' sport.

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