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French Journalist Pleads For Life After Capture In Iraq

WEDNESDAY MARCH 2 2005 11:00 AM

Submitted by Pandora. Edited By Michael_J_Totten.

Iraq is known as the center of a battle for peace and freedom. But sadly that means some people lose their own peace and freedom while trying to restore it for others. Two weeks ago a tape was released in which captured French journalist Florence Aubenas pleads to her own government to save her life.

"My name is Florence Aubenas. I'm French. I'm a journalist with Liberation," she said in English on the undated tape, looking distraught and with her hair bedraggled. She was dressed in a gray sweatshirt and black trousers.

"My health is very bad. I'm very bad psychologically also," she said, staring intently at the camera as she held her knees up to her chest in front of a dark red background.


She was believed to have been captured along with her driver by Shiite Muslim insurgents after leaving her car in Baghdad. She is one of 2 women that have been recently captured. However most of the hostages were returned after the payment of a ransom or serious negotiation. About 1/3 were killed and not released.

The French embassy in Baghdad and the Foreign Ministry in Paris had no immediate comment on the tape of Aubenas.

The foreign editor of Liberation, Francois Sergent, said: "It is both what we feared and what we hoped for," explaining that he had not seen the video.

"It is a sign that they are alive, of course, but we also feared this because the hostages are being held in conditions that make the pictures terrible to see." The driver is not however shown on the tape.

It is not clear when or where the tape, which lasts less than one minute, was shot. It was delivered to news organizations in Baghdad.

 
freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

MAR 02, 2005 12:41 PM

Im surprised people aren't taking the measures people took in Vietnam. In Vietnam, you knew what was going to happen if captured (tortueous conditions followed by death if you were lucky), so you always saved one round in your sidearm for if worse came to worse.

It's the same story in Iraq. You know that you will be executed and used for propaganda, so why not deny them the pleasure of using you for propaganda.

Anyways, if there is ANY negotiation done in this situation, it will be a US Special Forces team "negotiating" with the insurgents. Thats assuming they can find her before she is executed.

legionnaire

legionnaire

United Kingdom
November 2003

MAR 02, 2005 12:46 PM

skankzor said:
Im surprised people aren't taking the measures people took in Vietnam. In Vietnam, you knew what was going to happen if captured (tortueous conditions followed by death if you were lucky), so you always saved one round in your sidearm for if worse came to worse.

It's the same story in Iraq. You know that you will be executed and used for propaganda, so why not deny them the pleasure of using you for propaganda.

Anyways, if there is ANY negotiation done in this situation, it will be a US Special Forces team "negotiating" with the insurgents. Thats assuming they can find her before she is executed.


Do you even listen to yourself before you write comments?

First of all, this was a journalist, not a soldier., so I don't know why you would assume she had a gun in the first place.

Secondly, it's really easy for you to sit back in your comfortable chair and type on your computer "she should have just shot herself rather than be captured" but it's quite different when that's your decision to make. Given the fact that according to the article the majority of hostages taken have been returned, that decision would have been a rash one to take, don't you think?

SsPpAaMm

SsPpAaMm

I'm lost
February 2005

MAR 02, 2005 12:47 PM


Im surprised people aren't taking the measures people took in Vietnam. In Vietnam, you knew what was going to happen if captured (tortueous conditions followed by death if you were lucky), so you always saved one round in your sidearm for if worse came to worse.



sorry, when exactly did they start allowing journalists to carry weapons of any kind?

[Edited on Mar 02, 2005 2:47PM]

Michael_J_Totten

Michael_J_Totten

Iraq
February 2004

MAR 02, 2005 12:54 PM

SsPpAaMm said:
sorry, when exactly did they start allowing journalists to carry weapons of any kind?


Who is "they"?

Most journalists in Iraq carry weapons. It would be suicidal not to.

When Mark Steyn goes there, for example, his personal rule is refuse to get into anyone's car that he doesn't know and to shoot anyone who tries to force him. I'd follow that rule myself if I were there. Wouldn't you?

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

MAR 02, 2005 01:06 PM


Secondly, it's really easy for you to sit back in your comfortable chair and type on your computer "she should have just shot herself rather than be captured" but it's quite different when that's your decision to make. Given the fact that according to the article the majority of hostages taken have been returned, that decision would have been a rash one to take, don't you think?



Yeah, it really is easy for me to say that as an 18 year old kid in college. But it's not like I am just saying that out of the blue as some random rambling. It's a serious action that has serious consequences. I am only recommending it because it's what I learned from my time spent with Vietnem veterans (I would go to the wall with tem, and talk to them a lot).



First of all, this was a journalist, not a soldier., so I don't know why you would assume she had a gun in the first place.



She's in a war zone. She's not off in a field picking flowers. When you are in a potentially dangerous situation, you take steps to mitigte the risk. Carrying a gun, or having a bodyguard(s) who do is a potential way to lower your risk. The insurgents have shown they dont play by the rules. They will imprison and execute civilians for no reason at all.

And as for the comment about Journalists not being allowed to carry guns, Iraq isn't like the US. There aren't any gun laws in place right now that would realy apply to journalists. Journalists may choose to not carry though.

Michael_J_Totten

Michael_J_Totten

Iraq
February 2004

MAR 02, 2005 01:36 PM

skankzor said:
Im surprised people aren't taking the measures people took in Vietnam. In Vietnam, you knew what was going to happen if captured (tortueous conditions followed by death if you were lucky), so you always saved one round in your sidearm for if worse came to worse.


If I were kidnapped in Iraq, and I had a gun with only one bullet in it, and I had free use of my hands, I wouldn't shoot myself. I'd shoot one of my armed kidnappers in the face, take his weapon, and try to kill the rest of them.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

MAR 02, 2005 01:38 PM

skankzor said:
Carrying a gun, or having a bodyguard(s) who do is a potential way to lower your risk.


It's also a good way to draw attention to yourself.

FermatsEnigma

FermatsEnigma

I'm lost
August 2004

MAR 02, 2005 01:51 PM

Get al oad the terrorists. She's a french left-wing journalist. You can't hardly find a bigger cheerleader for the insurgents then someone like her. This ought to go to show what they do to their friends.

theseeman

theseeman

Asheville, NC
December 2002

MAR 02, 2005 02:34 PM

Would the French gov send in GIGN? Sucks for the journalist but thats the job or rather the risk of being in a war zone. Remember Daniel Pearl. At least she is still alive.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAR 02, 2005 02:40 PM

Tannhauser said:
Get al oad the terrorists. She's a french left-wing journalist. You can't hardly find a bigger cheerleader for the insurgents then someone like her. This ought to go to show what they do to their friends.


Oh, I see. She's French, so she's "a cheerleader for the insurgents." I don't suppose you've...I don't know...read anything to which she contributed?

whatever

[Edited on Mar 02, 2005 by bean]

MrSmutty

MrSmutty

Victoria, BC
December 2004

MAR 02, 2005 02:40 PM

Michael_J_Totten said:

skankzor said:
Im surprised people aren't taking the measures people took in Vietnam. In Vietnam, you knew what was going to happen if captured (tortueous conditions followed by death if you were lucky), so you always saved one round in your sidearm for if worse came to worse.


If I were kidnapped in Iraq, and I had a gun with only one bullet in it, and I had free use of my hands, I wouldn't shoot myself. I'd shoot one of my armed kidnappers in the face, take his weapon, and try to kill the rest of them.



Welcome to Counter-Strike. It's just like real life!

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAR 02, 2005 02:44 PM

MrSmutty said:

Michael_J_Totten said:

skankzor said:
Im surprised people aren't taking the measures people took in Vietnam. In Vietnam, you knew what was going to happen if captured (tortueous conditions followed by death if you were lucky), so you always saved one round in your sidearm for if worse came to worse.


If I were kidnapped in Iraq, and I had a gun with only one bullet in it, and I had free use of my hands, I wouldn't shoot myself. I'd shoot one of my armed kidnappers in the face, take his weapon, and try to kill the rest of them.



Welcome to Counter-Strike. It's just like real life!


I see your point, that the situation Michael is describing is a wee bit far-fetched (it's not like they wouldn't take any weapons you might have on you the second they put an AK in your back and force you into their car), however, I think his point was simply that killing yourself (especially when you're not actually protecting any national secrets or your friends by doing so) is a bit rash.

Ecto_Cooler

Ecto_Cooler

Bronx, NY
April 2004

MAR 02, 2005 03:14 PM

legionnaire said:
Do you even listen to yourself before you write comments?

First of all, this was a journalist, not a soldier., so I don't know why you would assume she had a gun in the first place.

Secondly, it's really easy for you to sit back in your comfortable chair and type on your computer "she should have just shot herself rather than be captured" but it's quite different when that's your decision to make. Given the fact that according to the article the majority of hostages taken have been returned, that decision would have been a rash one to take, don't you think?



Tell that to Fabrizio Quattrocchi: "I'll show you how an Italian dies."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/16/1081998300849.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true

Fuck the "insurgents."

legionnaire

legionnaire

United Kingdom
November 2003

MAR 02, 2005 03:21 PM

Ecto_One said:
Fuck the "insurgents."


Whatt? You'll show them - by killing yourself? When there's a better than even chance that your captors will return you? That's fucking idiocy.

Oh and you linked to a subscription-only page.

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