That was one of the most intelligent responses this article received. I especially liked point #2, which has seemingly become an entirely too common problem among many "not for profit" organizations whose aims began as altruistic.

Perhaps if there were more money put into things like research for alternative energy sources and methods of refinement, people would take organizations like Greenpeace more seriously.

And maybe if they were taken more seriously, people wouldn't feel so inclined to laugh at them for getting beat up.

Sad, really.

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Could you supply a link for that? Thanks!

Well, I lived there, off the grid, for three years.

One neighbor was an original senator that helped frame the Alaska constitution (Juel Kilcher), another used that constitution to legalize grass (Irwin Raven).

I think that you are mistaken in your appraisal of Alaska, which is understandable because most Alaskans will fill you full of shit--been there, done that.

And when Stockula inevitably tries to set you straight, just remember that he lives in Anchorage--which is close, but still thirty minutes from Alaska.

If you think that north slope roughnecks give a shit about the environment, then you are maybe a little misguided.

That's cool though, maybe now you aren't

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Edited 'cause I misspelled Juel's name


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Nah, i was speaking more in the terms of like well, Kodiak, which due to laws regarding pollock and sea lions, has really fallen on hard times , and the people who fish are forced to go even further out in small boats just to fish. Which, when coupled with the Bering Sea , makes that a very dangerous prospect indeed.

Anchorage ? I've only been to the Bush Co. and through the airport. So I wouldn't know much at all about Anchorage...now Dutch on the other hand..

Sounds like they were trespassing to me.(I'm not trying to be political at all here)but if a large group of troublemakers were to rush in at my place of buisness, my home, or at a function I was attending.......they would catch a beat down.They were not invited for a reason, maybe not a good reason, but a reason none the less.

erm BP = British Petroleum. is the link clearer? Oil drilled. Oil sold. Oil bad for all because climate change. Climate change now proven. Greenpeace attempt to stop sellers selling. Greenpeace beaten up by oil sellers. Folk laugh at Greenpeace. Laughing good, getting beaten not so good.

Reveal what, in your opinion, should they do to help you decide? What would work for you?

BP changed its name (under Browne) to Beyond Petroleum and changed its logo to a sun. It invested much money. It is now in a good position to capture the market in renewable solar electricity. Surely this is the way forward! BP greenwash

The average annual $33 million solar investment by BP equals just 0.4 percent of its $8.5 billion 2001 petroleum expenditure.

There are many alternatives already anyway. Plant extracts could provide most of the oils that are needed, and we COULD keep the carbon locked in the ground : ) Genius!

Perhaps it is no co-incidence that Dupont was key in illegalising hemp? Oil products rule for a good reason.

So is investment in alternatives the answer? No - not apparently whilst there is still profit in oil.

Keep in mind that The bulk of our petroleum use goes to meet energy demands, with approximately 90 percent of a barrel of crude oil going to gasoline, diesel, and other fuels. So don't feel too bad about your computer.
The bulk of oil's evils go away once you stop burning it in great quantities

Also, alternatives are available


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You sound just like the label to Dr.Bronner's Peppermint Soap.

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funnily enough i smell sweet too ; P

I suppose when you go storming
into a place where people work and
basically mess with their paycheck, I
guess they will get upset. I would, and
I imagine others here would as well.
Every few months at our Starbucks we
get some "anti-corporate coffee" pro-
testors, mostly 18 year college students.
They try to block the drive-thru, which
can get them killed, quite frankly the
general contractor in his Ford F150
will just keep driving; invariably me and
my partner have to go outside to pro-
tect the people protesting us from being
run over by one of our customers.
We would probaly be sued, along with
the driver. Isn't America great?
Interesting is that one kid came in
with all these "fair trade" stickers and
started hollering. We asked him to leave and he did. Across the parking lot
is a movie theatre, and who do I see
one nite buying coffee with his friends
but this kid? Real conviction, there,
young man

I think anyone should be applauded for standing up for their beliefs. The people of Greenpeace risked their lives to protest. But I guess it's easy to diss enviromental organizations because they are not as "macho" as the oil industry with their over-priced gaudy SUVs.

I have a buddy who likes to call himself Frenchkomo (french/eskimo) who always likes to tell about what happened to greenpeace when they decided to fuck with the whale hunt. Its pretty common knowledge how shoddy the natives have been treated over the years and they figured enough was enough. So in the middle of the night, they stole greenpeaces boat and much of their gear and left them stranded on an iceflow for a week before bringing it back. Guess what? They don't mess with the eskimo's anymore.

That reminds me of MADD. Originally created for the purpose of reducing drunk driving, it has morphed into a Prohibition lobby. Not out of any desire to benefit the common good, but to keep the donations piling in. If they ever declared mission accomplished, then all those executives would lose their jobs (and 6 figure salaries) Its important for them to be always coming up with a new "threat or evil" to keep the donations rolling in and the paychecks coming on time. Even their founder quit and joined the Alcohol industry lobby in protest.

You have to ask yourself if six-figure-salary really equals grass roots.

Some people are violently insistent that it is perfectly acceptable to rape women and then claim that they were immoral and lacivious. This is a belief that should not be applauded, but it happens all the time in Iran.

I would be a lot more interested in listening to Greenpeace if they could tell me what they have accomplished. I would support their protests if they could show what they had done. Since I have been listening tell me what must be stopped for twenty-five years, I have yet to hear them say what they have started. The central problem here is that if you accomplish anything, your achievement can be measured and criticized. Accomplishment requires risk of failure, and that means risk of funding loss for Greenpeace.

The twits who trespassed on the International Petroleum Exchange's private trading floor were not trying to save an Iranian woman from being raped or do anything else that had to be done. They were exploiting a minimal security system's holes to get press. The protesters took some lumps because they did not understand the workings of the system they came to protest.