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  • FRIDAY NOVEMBER 19 2004 11:57 PM

Tolerant of the Intolerant No More

The Dutch tolerate a lot of things in their society: marijuana, prostitution and gay marriage are all perfectly legal in The Netherlands. However some Dutch have begun to feel their tolerance of other cultures is being used against them.

One of the most popular politicians in the Netherlands said Friday the country's democracy is under threat and called for a five-year halt to non-Western immigration in the wake of the killing of a Dutch filmmaker by a suspected Muslim radical.

"We are a Dutch democratic society. We have our own norms and values," right-wing lawmaker Geert Wilders told The Associated Press in an interview. "If you chose radical Islam you can leave, and if you don't leave voluntarily then we will send you away. This is the only message possible."

In his first interview with the foreign media since the slaying of filmmaker Theo van Gogh on Nov. 2, Wilders said his own life has been repeatedly threatened. He said he has begun living under state protection and has even had to stay away from his own home.

Wilders split with the free-market coalition partner Liberal Party two months ago because it backed the candidacy of predominantly Muslim Turkey for the European Union.

He formed his own conservative party, the Wilders Group, which has one seat in the 150-member parliament. But a recent poll suggested his anti-immigrant message was reverberating through the electorate, and he would win 24 seats if elections were held today -- up from 19 seats before Van Gogh's murder.

Wilders said that without swift, bold action, Islamic fundamentalism will topple the country's democratic system.

"The Netherlands has been too tolerant to intolerant people for too long," he said. "We should not import a retarded political Islamic society to our country. There is nothing to be ashamed of to say this. It's not Islam. I speak out against the facts."

 

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Shawna

shawna

Marquette, MI
April 2004

NOV 20, 2004 12:46 AM

Islamic fundamentalism has nothing to do with it. There can be such a thing as a non-terrorist muslim fundamentalist.

Personally I think this is a step in the wrong direction for the Dutch...

And also, what a fucking idiot-- "It's not Islam. I speak out against the facts." translates into, "we should ban all followers of Islam, but it has nothing to do with their religion."

Ugh.

InfernoMDM

InfernoMDM

Hilton Head Island, SC
July 2003

NOV 20, 2004 12:53 AM

That sucks. Wonder if it has popular support. Guess time will tell.

Hexe

Hexe

HOPEFUL

I'm lost

NOV 20, 2004 12:57 AM

oipthestampede said:
"I call it the Belgian Dip"

That came to mind for some reason.



ha ha.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

NOV 20, 2004 01:06 AM

Shawna said:
Islamic fundamentalism has nothing to do with it. There can be such a thing as a non-terrorist muslim fundamentalist.

Personally I think this is a step in the wrong direction for the Dutch...

And also, what a fucking idiot-- "It's not Islam. I speak out against the facts." translates into, "we should ban all followers of Islam, but it has nothing to do with their religion."

Ugh.



From the article: The latest video threat broadcast on the Internet -- in Dutch, with Arabic music in the background -- condemns Wilders for insulting Islam and offers the reward of paradise for his beheading.



Yeah, he should let them all in and let the lottery begin.

Give me a fucking break.

Snottlebocket

Snottlebocket

Netherlands
March 2004

NOV 20, 2004 02:48 AM

something does need to be done but that guy is kind of a idiot that always comes up with these extreme unpractical solutions.
i don't think anyone ever listens to him anyway.

Nixon

Nixon

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

NOV 20, 2004 02:55 AM

Can I start kicking large groups of people out of the US?

llouys

llouys

Brazil
August 2003

NOV 20, 2004 02:58 AM

Nixon said:
Can I start kicking large groups of people out of the US?


if they are in red states.

HAH!

I SLAY ME!

MetaTag

MetaTag

United Kingdom
September 2002

NOV 20, 2004 06:22 AM

A white, Dutch man kills Pim Fortuyn. Result: Shoulders shrug.

A coloured, Dutch man kills a white, Dutch man. Result: Outrage, our culture is threatened. Throw out the foreigners. They are not like us.

Spot any bias?

jake_lex

jake_lex

Lexington, KY
February 2003

NOV 20, 2004 07:31 AM

Here's what you do: you condemn people who say shitty things like "All the non-Muslim infidels should be slaughtered in the name of Allah", but you don't just round up all Muslims and kick them out or throw them in prison. Rather, you work to take down those who are actually planning terrorist actions; you dismantle real, actual terrorist cells, you stamp out terrorist training camps.

It is entirely possible to fight terrorism without falling into fascism. You can't do it using this guy's tactics though.

GramNegative

GramNegative

I'm lost
October 2004

NOV 20, 2004 07:34 AM

What, the Dutch want to make the 'opiate of the masses' criminal, while keeping real opiates decriminalized? Hippocrates!

Seriously, sometimes people using drugs commit murder. More often, people using religion commit murder. Most people can use both responsibly. One or two or 3000 deaths should not make you give up your beliefs. I wish Bush and his minions understood that.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

NOV 20, 2004 07:45 AM

And how exactly do you discern which are up to shenanigans and which are peaceful citizens?

Honest question. How?

YAWG

YAWG

Victoria, BC
November 2003

NOV 20, 2004 08:11 AM

I can understand where this is coming from. Here where I live there has been problems amonst the Indo-Canadian community between the Sikhs and Hindus who seem determined to continue their violence between each other. There has been calls for deporting the lot of them. I don't agree with that draconian of a measure but I do feel that it needs to be made perfectly clear that that kind of behaviour will not be tolerated.
Banning all non-Western immigration is too much but clamping down on the violence is totally acceptable. It wouldn't be a racist policy as much as would be enforcing the rule of law which needs to maintained even in a country as liberal as the Netherlands.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

NOV 20, 2004 08:58 AM

edit

[Edited on Nov 20, 2004 by Albion]

scooter11

scooter11

USA
OLD SKOOL

NOV 20, 2004 09:02 AM

crispy said:
And how exactly do you discern which are up to shenanigans and which are peaceful citizens?

Honest question. How?



How do you determine which Italian-Americans are part of the mob? Hey, let's not waster our time with trying to gather "evidence" of actual "crimes"--we don't pay anyone to do that, do we?--let's deport 'em all now!

Phoebus

Phoebus

Italy
OLD SKOOL

NOV 20, 2004 09:16 AM

dspsg said:
What, the Dutch want to make the 'opiate of the masses' criminal, while keeping real opiates decriminalized? Hippocrates!



You mean they're all ancient Greek physicians lending their names to a medical oath? eeek

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