Yes Fuck Nader fuck Nader in his fucking goat ass!!!!!
I am one of those that believe Nader got Bush into office and for that I will always hate him with a passion.

Although I'm for opposing a 2 party system that we have and I do think that Washington is "for sale." You have to live in the reality of the moment. You have a Presisdent that is trying to take too much power for the Executive (Patriot, Installing Judges, etc) and the first thing on my mind is to get him out of office. Period!
I don't even want to imagine what Bush will do if he has another 4 years in office if we (democrafts) don't win back some of the seats in the House and Senate.

Uggg this pisses me off royaly.

Democrats... Republicans.... it's all bologna. Whatever it takes to get Bush out of office. Nader isn't someone that I would focus on as being the next president but I think it's time our country saw a change, I think Nader can do that. So from the looks of it... Nader will get my vote this year. Damn these Democratic/Republican politics....

poly means many.
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I still and will always say....
HILARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT.

I will vote for Kerry--but if I thought Nader could win I would vote for him. Say whatever you want, but Nader will not get enough votes to win Bush ever.

There are plenty of conservatives who are fed up and furious with Bush and are threatening to stay home in Nov, and there are a lot more of those voters than people willing to vote for Nader to send the Democrats a message (I think they learned their lesson in 2000).

I know it's seemingly sophisticated to think there are no differences between the parties, but there really are. Bush's administration has made that abundantly clear, even to the most chronically stupid like Michael Moore.

I have zero respect for Ralph Nader.

Finishing second in a marathon......after joining somewhere around the 23rd mile isn't all that impressive.

Now that the other competitors have dropped out of the race, he'll come forward?

I can't believe I'm saying this, but stockula may have a point. Those conservatives who are environmentally conscious and fiscally conservative can't like what Bush has done.

people shouldn't blame nader for "costing gore the election;" gore *won* the election--i really reccomend the book "the best democracy money can buy" by greg palast, for the chapter describing the shit that went down in florida.

as for voting for nader in '04, i've sadly adopted the "anyone to get bush out of office" mindset. does anyone else feel utter despair in this? i am really not a kerry fan...

Ralph Nader is still alive? Holy shit.

Wait.

He's a still alive and someone will vote for him? Goddamn.

Sadly, we as a country have reached a certain point. That point being we have a sitting president who has all the charm, intelligence and sense of a horse's ass. Bush needs to be put down like a mad dog with mange and- it being an election year- I am doing everything in my power to bring that about. Which is not much. It appears Ralph Nader's on the same page. However him and I come up with similar results every election year. In fact, the only difference between me and Nader is that every election year no one spends thousands of dollars to throw a party where I have to admit, quite sullenly, that I did not get elected to president, AGAIN, this year.
I'm a huge fan of third parties in general. Anything that throws a monkey wrench into our two party system is All Right with me. However in an election where the sitting president is already going to be damn near impossible to beat and the opposition canidate is something akin to a Frankenstein Monster with no Morals or Ideals, Nader presents a problem. Nader can't even buy his way into the debates, much less win the election. So why does he continue to run, knowing full well it hurts the Democrats every year? I don't like Democrats much either, but shit, even I know they're preferable to Bush.
I actually agree with the one intelligent think Fat Mike of NOFX said. He argued that instead of running against Gore he should've cut a deal. Deliever these voters in exchange for concessions from the Dems. Or maybe even make a demand for a cabinet seat. Rather than turn the entire Green Party into a new lobbying group, use it's political muscle in the national arena to demand concessions in exchange for votes. That way in the local and state arenas it's still a viable political party, but in national politics we all know it's not there yet. So instead of mounting a doomed campaign and alienating the more moderate supporters of his cause, why doesn't Ralphie offer his votes up to Kerry this year in exchange for concessions?

[edited to add all the vaugely intelligent sounding stuff]

[Edited on Feb 22, 2004 by IamSick]

Nasder is a selfish prick. All he cares about is himself and his agenda. He does not care about America. At least you can believe that Bush THINKS (and I use that word lightly) he's doing what is best for America. Nader wouldn't even give us that much.

Gore lost all by himself in 200, BY NOT DEFENDING THE CLINTON LEGACY!!! He did not say to America. "Here's all the great things Bill and I have done in the last eight years". If that was his campaign Gore would be president. Nader is insiggnificant. Any 3rd party candidate on the left will ALWAYS be insignificant. If you want a 3rd party it must be centrists (like the reform party would have been if it wasn't for fucking Pat Buchannon). Or a 3rd party could be further to the right. An actual Christian-right party would be very successful (and a good thing! they would never garner enough power to be a concern and it would force the Republicans to the middle and the democrats to the left).

So fuck you Nader. I hope you rot in obscurity and I hope the press completely disregards you. And enjoy the Check that the republicans obviously cut to get you in the race.

Well, leave out the environmental part, and you're right. Unlike you guys who live in CA and large cities, I talk to living breathing republicans and conservatives about politics, and believe me, many are mad at Bush and want to teach him a lesson by letting a Democrat get elected. Why? Primarily

1. Fiscal Spending
2. immigration

There's strong sense of betrayal and disappointment right now. I feel it myself. But is it strong enough to vote for someone like John Kerry or Ralph Nader? you have to be joking.

[Edited on Feb 22, 2004 by stockula]

Nader is the Ann Coulter of the Green Party. Sometimes he gets the facts right and sometimes he's just a leeettle crazy.

While I think he (his supporters) did help Gore lose the election, it wouldn't have mattered if PEOPLE VOTED.

It'd be nice to see this country go out and do what supposedly our soldiers are dying for over in dictator driven countries (yes, I know it's mostly about oil for us, but there are millions of people that would give their left nut to get to vote for who's going to keep them in poverty).

You know, I voted for Ralph in 2000.

And I'm not even gonna argue with you people about giving the election to Bush because A. I voted in South Carolina, where even my hypothetical Gore vote wouldn't have mattered a bit, and B. Pip said it very well above.

But this time, I see no use in his running. He's not running to build up Green Party support, since he's running as an independent. He's not going to win, and he knows it. I think maybe he thinks since Dean is out of the race now he'll get some Dean voters, but Dean himself isn't that stupid and has told his supporters that the most important thing is to get Bush out of office. It's made me dislike him right now, and that, not any feeling that I gave Bush the presidency, has made me regret voting for him.

Kerry, while having some of the same faults as Gore (shifting opinions, boring persona, etc.) has taken what Dean threw into the mix and run with it. I think he's got a decent chance. Unless what I've been hearing about these voting machines and all is true, in which case it won't matter and I'll be heading for Canada.

Well as of right now I do not plan on voting for Nader this year.

That all could change I guess.

The last election had Bush and Gore and niether one is a candidate that I would vote for. Then at Lieberman to the Gore ticket, and then yes, they are democrat, but they are into censorship a bit too much for my taste.

I voted for Nader. The state that I was in carried Gore. I thought Bush was going to win that state, but he didn't.

Third Parties and Independents have no chance at the Presidency until they start gaining more grassroot spots in legislatures, the House of Representatives, and the Senate.

Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt) proves an Independent can win in a state-wide election, and he's a socialist.

So I think the Greens and other Third Parties need to get their act in gear. They came close to electing a mayor in San Francisco (a heavy Democratic machine). But have they anyone else out there besides a few city coucilpeople and small town mayors?

Jesse Ventura as Governor doesn't count because of name recognition.

But in the Electoral College, if you vote Nader, you're voting for Bush.

To me, Nader has become The White Al Sharpton.

Meaning he's running mainly to be noticed, and to be seen as having influence over the Democratic party.

Sharpton wants to be voice of black america within the Democrats, and has threatened to punish the national Democratic party if they don't pay enough attention to the needs of black americans...aka, if they don't suck up to Sharpton enough.

Nader's doing the exact same thing, only he's using the threat of syphoning off progressive voters if the DNC doesn't pay enough attention to progressive issues...aka, if they don't pander to Nader's ego.

I'm praying that more progressives don't fall for Nader's bullshit this year, especially after four years of constant examples of the very real differences between the two parties.