I sometimes hope that the only reason people like this are allowed to stay here (the UK) is so that MI5, MI6 and GCHQ can monitor everything they say and do, and everyone they communicate with.

Also, the very few 'practising Muslims' I've spoken to think he's a fucking idiot.

This guy teaches the Religion Of Peace?

Yeah, me too... I guess at least if these people are here we can keep an eye on them.

All religions are fucked up.

Christians are supposed to follow the bible. The story in the old testiment about the passover, where God killed the first born child of every Egyptian family to punish the pharoah for not releasing the jews.

What kind of message does that send out? If the story is supposed to be true, then God is no better than those terrorists in chechnia. if the story is only a metaphore, then it seems like God is condonong terrorism if it's necessary to achieve a just cause.

I would really like a christian (or a jew) to answer this point. How can you condenm the Chechian seperatists for doing what your own God thinks is ok.

Not if you ask most Muslims in the UK>

Jesus Christ.

Jesus fucking Christ.

They're children. How are they oppressing him?

I could just cry over stuff like this, especially the thing with the bayonet.

That cleric wouldn't be that fucking nut job "hook" would it?

That explains a fuck of a lot. Why didn't you quote Farrakhan instead? He's Muslim too and just about as extreme, but a hell of a lot funnier. I want to hear about Yakub and aliens, not this shit.

I would agree with that... religion is nothing more than a acient system for controlling the masses. If we didn't have such stupid ideas about there being a god could you imagine what the world would be like?

To me it's a question of whether one's religion is suitable for the age. Islamists make the mistake of trying the apply the Koran - a book written by a warlord hundreds of years ago - literally. Perhaps the morals of Mohammed's day were acceptable back then, but many elements are not applicable on todays society. Square bricks jammed into round holes.

The bible too has a lot of standards that seem uncivilised by todays standards and be tragic if applied literally or reinterpreted by nutcases. One only has to think back to awful results of Christianity according to David Koresh.

nah - different one

can America try and extradite this creep as well?

Seems to me they were living fairly happily under his interpretation of the bible until the ATF got involved.

I certainly wouldn't compare communal living in Waco, TX to suicide bombing in the name of allah. That's unbelievable.

As far as religions needing to hold modernized ideals in order to adapt to today's society, I agree.

I'm not a christian or a jew, so I can't argue from that viewpoint. But I really hope you see the gigantically huge fundamental difference in your statement, that being that the vast majority of christianity has modernized into something that understands plurality within the world, and accepts it. Islam has overwhelmingly not made this leap, and still has very rigid support systems in place in the middle east which teach a fundamentalist form of Islam which encourages the forced conversion of all other people in the world to Islam. The rhetoric of the islamic imams is oftened softened down, but the reality is still there, they follow the idea that the jews must be eradicated, and the rest of the world converted or slaughtered. It is a religion that was originally spread by the sword, and to many people, still should be. There are a great many muslims who embrace peace and tolerance, but their voice is not yet the overwhelming voice of Islam, and it is in other religions. It is all a matter of interpretation and application. I can read the bible and interpret it in very violent ways, and I could certainly go preach genocide in the name of christianity on any corner here in america. But I highly doubt I would find myself preaching state-sanctioned hate to a receptive public. Perhaps if a few more imams suggested that the koran could be interpreted metaphorically and used as a stepping stone towards peace, tolerance, and acceptance, perhaps a more tolerant atmosphere could flourish in that portion of the world.

When was the last name the KKK killed people by hijaaking and crashing airliners, strapping explosive vests on, and chopping the heads off of innocents?

It's 2004 not 1804.

And it plays that crazy moral equivalency game where somehow pointing out that this fuckwad saying what he's saying so close after the events in Russia in recent weeks is somehow understandable and somewhat acceptable because "Hey man, there are racists everywhere..."

You can technically get AIDS from anyone, but if you're fucking some toothless crackwhore in a crackhouse without a condom, your risk is higher and your chances of getting AIDS is greater.

Religious affliation means everything because despite the claims of Islam being the religion of "love" it's very violent, bloody and filled with words of encouragement towards committing acts like this. Islam is a brutal religion. At least Jesus preached love. And the Old Testament preaches forgiveness and tolerance.

Last I checked KKK members are only hooded when hiding their personal identity. Islam treats women as objects, veils them from the world and brutally punishes women for daring to do silly things like "read".

Comparing an Islamic sect to the KKK is simply a way of "levelling the field". Kind of like the way people say "Penis size does not matter..." Yeah, right. It doesn't matter! LOL!

[Edited on Sep 07, 2004 6:35PM]