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Potential Police State or Necessary Evil?

SATURDAY AUGUST 7 2004 2:34 PM

Submitted by JohnClement. Edited By Erin.

Anyone who lives in post 9/11 Washington DC has grown accustomed to the garden of Jersey barriers and checkpoints surrounding the U.S. Capitol and White House. But with the recent terror warnings, Security is reaching new levels (salon day pass required).

The checkpoints went up in the middle of the night, just in time for Tuesday's morning rush hour. Many drivers found themselves subject to questioning, searches and I.D. checks. Traffic overflowed onto all the neighborhood streets, as it does every rush hour now. On Thursday, police added checkpoints to streets surrounding the Federal Reserve; the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund are under the same high security. Irate D.C. city officials "have assailed what they call an opportunistic encroachment on city streets by security officials taking advantage of terrorism threats," the Washington Post reported.



On Friday I had an opportunity to view the new security first-hand when a friend who works in the Senate gave me a tour of the Capitol building. The Eastern Bloc feel of it is surreal. Obviously vigilance is important, but it is important to remember that Washington, DC is a city, not a fortress. Is there a point where we go to far in protecting our interests?

 

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wolfwood

wolfwood

Madison, WI
March 2003

AUG 07, 2004 03:04 PM

Yes.

Akrasia

Akrasia

Ireland
August 2004

AUG 07, 2004 03:33 PM

Fidel Castro has less security protecting him, and he faces a much more real threat than Bush Does. (George Bush Himself)

otishertz

otishertz

Costa Rica
July 2004

AUG 07, 2004 06:17 PM

They are not protecting themselves from terrorists.
They are building a fortress for when the masses can't afford anything on TV.

They are expecting you.

FrankMask

FrankMask

Saint Paul, MN
June 2003

AUG 07, 2004 10:31 PM

Well, I'm more afraid of my government than the 'Terrorists', so this kind of has the opposite effect of security for me.

Holden_Caulfield

Holden_Caulfield

Ann Arbor, MI
April 2004

AUG 07, 2004 10:42 PM

It appears that some federal legislators and bureaucrats are more concerned with their own safety than the general welfare of Washintgon, D.C. residents as a whole, considering that the city has been known as the "murder capital" of the United States and residents currently do not benefit from the same representation as do most Americans.

PumpkinEater

PumpkinEater

Brooklyn, NY
May 2004

AUG 07, 2004 11:29 PM

police state. unnecessary evil.

Cruelty

Cruelty

Chicago, IL
June 2004

AUG 08, 2004 01:19 AM

Frank said:
Well, I'm more afraid of my government than the 'Terrorists', so this kind of has the opposite effect of security for me.



I'm with you on this. Preach on, brother.

Manchester_Black

Manchester_Black

Edmonton, AB
March 2004

AUG 08, 2004 01:24 AM

I do think it was Ben Franklin who said something about those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither security nor liberty?
How many American citizens have died from terrorism compared to how many have died as a result of poverty and all it's associated ills?

implod

implod

Seattle, WA
January 2004

AUG 08, 2004 01:38 AM

crime as a whole has been declining for at least a decadeyet police are constintly saying they need more troops and more money, i guess they need something to do, some use of their troops, some justification for their demands.

abracadabra

abracadabra

Seattle, WA
April 2004

AUG 08, 2004 04:48 AM

"i'm talkin about a full on,motherfuckin...R E V O L U T I O N...."....

Akrasia

Akrasia

Ireland
August 2004

AUG 08, 2004 05:38 AM

Whats the modern american equivilant to the bastille? It'll be some mess when the peasants storm a nuclear bunker.

In the october revolution in 1917 russia, most of the police refused to fire on the revolutionaries, similarly in the french revolution. Do people think the American Army and 'defence forces' would mobilise in favour of the government against the American people?

MetaTag

MetaTag

United Kingdom
September 2002

AUG 08, 2004 10:44 AM

911 was a terrible event, but its worth keeping a sense of proportion on the risk created by terrorism.

Here are some annual death rate statistics for America.

435,000 - Tobacco
400,000 - Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity
85,000 - Alcohol
43,000 - Motor Vehicle Crashes

Source : http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm

How might we act if we judged our actions on the actual number of people killed by various causes?

If I was in Al-Qaeda, I would buy shares in Phillip Morris and give away TV's and cummfy sofas.

If I was the President, I would drop napalm on tobacco fields.

karaokejihad

karaokejihad

Saint Paul, MN
December 2002

AUG 08, 2004 11:12 AM

Akrasia said:
Whats the modern american equivilant to the bastille? It'll be some mess when the peasants storm a nuclear bunker.

In the october revolution in 1917 russia, most of the police refused to fire on the revolutionaries, similarly in the french revolution. Do people think the American Army and 'defence forces' would mobilise in favour of the government against the American people?



quoting a former co-worker who was in the army(in unintelligent sounding monotone voice):" well, the government knows what's best, so..."

sixblueten

sixblueten

Healdsburg, CA
July 2004

AUG 08, 2004 11:24 AM

I think we should step back a bit and look at the highly abused word combo, "necessary evil."

I maintain that this phrase is meaningless. PLEASE, stop using it, as it is very damning and very dangerous.

FIrst of all, what, exactly, does "necessary" really mean in this context? Whose idea of necessary, after all? Is having two legs necessary? What about freedom - is it necessary? Yes and no. Depends on who you're asking, and when. And where. And why.

Secondly, "evil?" Give me a flippin' break already. Is there a word more ripe for contextual misinterpretation? Enough philo-treatises have been written about the word to fill the Vatican's vaults. Which one do we pull off the shelf for "necessary evil?"

Both of these words are wide open to exceedingly subjective interpretation. Shouldn't we strive for objective analyses when it comes to inter/national affairs?

Y'all are being clouded by this "necessary evil" poppycock. Toss it out of the debate. Refuse to engage it. Necessary evil is snake oil, my friends. . .the kind used to make the slope so damned slippery.

MetaTag

MetaTag

United Kingdom
September 2002

AUG 08, 2004 11:50 AM

I just looked up the number of people killed by the A-Bomb in Hiroshima, which was about 200,000

Just imagine, smoking kills just over twice that number each year!

Taking the risk from inactivity, the car and the TV must be the most effective WMD's ever invented.

Are you really going to surrender your freedoms because of the risk from terrorism?

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