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US military lawyer still concerned about Guantanamo Bay

SUNDAY FEBRUARY 15 2004 10:56 AM

Submitted by TheFuckOffKid. Edited By legionnaire.

US military lawyer Major Michael Mori continues to speak out against the military tribunal process that his client, Australian Guantanamo detainee
David Hicks, will be tried under.

Hicks has been detained at Guantanamo Bay for over two years, in the company of fellow Australian, Mamdouh Habib, while the Australian government has chosen not to pursue their return to be tried in Australia, a position criticised by the opposition Labor Party.

The issue here is not "guilt" or "innocence" (of charges that have not yet been laid) -- what's of concern, as a number of letter writers to newspapers have noted, is the lack of anything resembling due process, and the motives of the Australian government in leaving Hicks and Habib to the American military tribunal system. (Comnmentators note that even the Bali bombers, not to mention Adolf Eichmann, were accorded more due process than Hicks and Habib have been accorded thus far.)

 
legionnaire

legionnaire

United Kingdom
November 2003

FEB 15, 2004 10:57 AM

I really believe the US military are shooting themselves in the foot on this one. They may very well have captured actual terrorists, but sham trials and Kafkaesque jailings without being charged with anything do nothing for their credibility. If, at the end of the day, they can actually prove that they've captured a real terrorist, who will believe them?

Dante0

Dante0

Sandusky, OH
September 2003

FEB 15, 2004 01:28 PM

I think it's a travesty. Charge them or let them go. They're hostages otherwise.

Sonntag

Sonntag

Atlanta, GA
August 2003

FEB 15, 2004 01:56 PM

Kangaroo courts deligitimize the U.S. justice system.

The typical portrayal of lawlessness is of some kid tossing a Molotov cocktail at riot police, but this type of lawlessness is tame compared to tyrannical lawlessness, lawlessness dressed in the vestments of law. Lawlessness masquerading as justice is far more dangerous.

Lord_Shade

Lord_Shade

Canada
December 2003

FEB 15, 2004 02:04 PM

They're a drain on resources, and they are being held as prisoners of war. The war is over, and is now nothing more than a peacekeeping effort (which Canada now has the most sizeable portion of forces at over 5000).

But if you let them go... they may cause more trouble.

Quite a quandry.

Sonntag

Sonntag

Atlanta, GA
August 2003

FEB 15, 2004 02:09 PM

After over two years of dehumanizing incarceration...

If I were guilty of nothing more than defending my homeland from foreign invaders, you bet I'd come out swinging.

If I were guilty of nothing more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, you bet I'd come out swinging.

This is lose/lose. We're holding hostages who probably have every right to be pissed at us.

Mullen

Mullen

San Diego, CA
April 2003

FEB 15, 2004 02:54 PM

jakob_sweven said:
Kangaroo courts deligitimize the U.S. justice system.

The typical portrayal of lawlessness is of some kid tossing a Molotov cocktail at riot police, but this type of lawlessness is tame compared to tyrannical lawlessness, lawlessness dressed in the vestments of law. Lawlessness masquerading as justice is far more dangerous.



You maybe a crack smoking Liberal, but you are 100% correct on this subject.

We, as a nation and as a culture, can not tolerate the holding of any person in a military complex without a trail. There is more involved than we can imagine, but there is no excuse for human rights abuse. If the people at Gitmo are criminals on any level, then they must be given a fair trial. This is not because we love those who wish to harm the citizens of this country, but because we love the System they wish to harm. The System says that all persons have an inalienable right to due process. These are not just Rights to citizens of this county, but to all persons, even active enemies of this country.

If we ignore this, then on September 11th, the terrorists won.


PS> Wow, the greatest slam and the greatest praise in a single post! A new SG record!

moniker42

moniker42

Seattle, WA
October 2003

FEB 15, 2004 06:48 PM

You think Guantanamo will eventually be regarded similarly to manzanar, except with religious overtones as opposed to racial ones?

YAWG

YAWG

Victoria, BC
November 2003

FEB 15, 2004 07:11 PM

Mullen said:
...

We, as a nation and as a culture, can not tolerate the holding of any person in a military complex without a trail. There is more involved than we can imagine, but there is no excuse for human rights abuse. If the people at Gitmo are criminals on any level, then they must be given a fair trial. This is not because we love those who wish to harm the citizens of this country, but because we love the System they wish to harm. The System says that all persons have an inalienable right to due process. These are not just Rights to citizens of this county, but to all persons, even active enemies of this country.

If we ignore this, then on September 11th, the terrorists won.
...


I wish your President could get this through his head.

You don't have to become the enemy to fight the enemy.

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