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  • TUESDAY JUNE 1 2004 3:21 PM

Great News: Federal Judge Rules Late Term Abortion Ban Unconstitutional

This is encouraging. The Bush administration's attempt to play doctor with every woman in America is finally getting beaten back in the courts:

In a ruling with coast-to-coast effect, a federal judge declared the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act unconstitutional Tuesday, saying it infringes on a woman's right to choose.

U.S. District Judge Phyllis Hamilton's ruling came in one of three lawsuits challenging the legislation President Bush signed last year.

She agreed with abortion rights activists that a woman's right to choose is paramount, and that is therefore "irrelevant" whether a fetus suffers pain, as abortion foes contend.

"The act poses an undue burden on a woman's right to choose an abortion," the judge wrote.



The ruling will almost certainly be appealed to the Supreme Court.

(Thanks to Keith for the link.)

 

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nghtdvl

nghtdvl

Montreal, QC
November 2003

JUN 01, 2004 04:26 PM

Good news. That bill was not well written and full of holes.

Although I am pro-choice I believe there is still a limit on what 'abortion' can stand for.... I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be very comfortable with pulling out a healthy baby that's due next week and stabbing it in the skull with a sharp instrument to suck off its brain (which basically is "intact dilation and extraction"). frown

MemmnochtheDevil

MemmnochtheDevil

I'm lost
November 2002

JUN 01, 2004 04:40 PM

Yeah good thing too.

To be fair to Bush though...he is only doing wha the good lord told him to.


Isn't that Schizophrenia?


ARRR!!!

anaphalaxis

anaphalaxis

United Kingdom
August 2003

JUN 01, 2004 04:57 PM

Ok, perhaps I am about to make myself VERY unpopular, but this is more of question than an opinion. Before anyone gets the wrong idea I am 100% pro-choice and think it is insane that anyone thinks they can interfere in another persons life choice:

However, my question is this: Is it appropriate for a news article to pass clear jugement on the item first (IE: "Great news"), rather than simply offer a slant or opinion -after- stating the facts?

PS. Remember that I am saying this about an opinion that I wholeheartedly agree with, so don't take it as a challenge to the sentiment.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

JUN 01, 2004 05:08 PM

anaphalaxis said:
However, my question is this: Is it appropriate for a news article to pass clear jugement on the item first (IE: "Great news"), rather than simply offer a slant or opinion -after- stating the facts?



it's considered appropriate for our format. the SG newswire is more like blogging and editorial than journalism. otherwise it would get pretty boring, considering none of us are real reporters - all we can do is find links and write our opinions about them.

some people put their opinions up front in a submission (as i did here), some people hide them, and some simply present raw information. i think it's great news. if someone doesn't agree, they're free to flame me. smile

ItwasDuke

ItwasDuke

New York, NY
March 2004

JUN 01, 2004 05:13 PM

We must get this religious fundamentalist out of office. Bush isn't Satan, as some would have you believe, but he is a fundamentalist. How can this administration talk about, democracy and freedom, when it ignores it at will. We have prisoners held w/o charges (some for over 2yrs), Bush wants to deny gays civil rights, a unilateral preemptive invasion of a sovereign nation-we've made the UN ineffective, and the infamous patriot act, The Lackawanna case, and his Christian rhetoric doesn't help the idea among some in the Islamic world that our cause is a "crusade"...this guy has got to go. puke

[Edited on Jun 01, 2004 by gibbyc]

anaphalaxis

anaphalaxis

United Kingdom
August 2003

JUN 01, 2004 05:41 PM

s5 said:

anaphalaxis said:
However, my question is this: Is it appropriate for a news article to pass clear jugement on the item first (IE: "Great news"), rather than simply offer a slant or opinion -after- stating the facts?



it's considered appropriate for our format. the SG newswire is more like blogging and editorial than journalism. otherwise it would get pretty boring, considering none of us are real reporters - all we can do is find links and write our opinions about them.

some people put their opinions up front in a submission (as i did here), some people hide them, and some simply present raw information. i think it's great news. if someone doesn't agree, they're free to flame me. smile



Suits me, it is just that a thread some time back got attacked by some people for being too politically biased towards reason.... um... no, I think I mean the left...

Just wanted to clarify. wink

Brinstar

Brinstar

Chicago, IL
September 2002

JUN 01, 2004 05:53 PM

'and that is therefore "irrelevant" whether a fetus suffers pain'

I am sorry, but if I am the only person who sees something wrong with this statement then humanity has come to a very sad state indeed.

Brinstar

Brinstar

Chicago, IL
September 2002

JUN 01, 2004 05:56 PM

'anaphalaxis said:
However, my question is this: Is it appropriate for a news article to pass clear jugement on the item first (IE: "Great news"), rather than simply offer a slant or opinion -after- stating the facts?'

I was just going to start a thread about this in the site area but I guess it got answered. They should call it "news/commentary" or something because it is a little misleading to just call it news.

ItwasDuke

ItwasDuke

New York, NY
March 2004

JUN 01, 2004 05:59 PM

Isn't a message board implied to be news/commentary...news was posted and then commented on...isn't that the point?

chestercopperpot

chestercopperpot

Bermuda
May 2004

JUN 01, 2004 06:02 PM

Brinstar said:
'and that is therefore "irrelevant" whether a fetus suffers pain'

I am sorry, but if I am the only person who sees something wrong with this statement then humanity has come to a very sad state indeed.




I think that the context was something like-the issue of whether or not a fetus experiences pain, is irrellevant to the issue of whether or not the law against late term abortion is unconstitutional. wink

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

JUN 01, 2004 06:07 PM

please divert any meta-discussions about the newswire to the news group.

Brinstar

Brinstar

Chicago, IL
September 2002

JUN 01, 2004 06:08 PM

Meh. Pain should never be irrellevant.

"Constitutional" is such a bullshit concept anyway. It's just a bunch of vague interpretations of what our country was supposedly founded on, and then when we realize the country was founded on things we now consider antiquated we just make amendments anyway.

[Edited on Jun 01, 2004 by Brinstar]

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

JUN 01, 2004 06:13 PM

Brinstar said:
"Constitutional" is such a bullshit concept anyway.



smile

ItwasDuke

ItwasDuke

New York, NY
March 2004

JUN 01, 2004 06:19 PM

Well others would argue that the constitution is flexible and able to keep up with a changing nation, which I think is shown in the Roe vs. wade decision. This nation is young and still has growing pains...

chestercopperpot

chestercopperpot

Bermuda
May 2004

JUN 01, 2004 06:19 PM

Brinstar said:
Meh. Pain should never be irrellevant.




noblejesuit said:

The Justice did not say that pain was irrellevant.

There is an onging scientific debate going on as to what point a fetus begins to experience things like pain. Within this debate the battle rages on to find some sort of hard evidence, at this point though the jury is still out....

The Justice is simply saying that a womans right to choose has nothing to do with this on going scientific debate, in so far as the jury is still out.

We have two different arguments that are seperate and not interelated, and that the debating of the one does not require the debating of the other.


[Edited on Jun 01, 2004 by Brinstar]




[Edited on Jun 01, 2004 by noblejesuit]

[Edited on Jun 01, 2004 by noblejesuit]

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