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Why You Hatin’ On Babylon?

The manner in which we have destroyed our economy is astounding. We are so far from understanding and correcting our massive fuck ups that even this current obliteration of our ways has not brought up the discussion that needs to be had: Our usury laws are insane. Our usury laws drove us into debt, sped up the loss of our manufacturing base and have directly led to the murder of the middle class. And it’s only going to get worse. The looming credit card crisis will be the next shoe to drop and with deflation a serious threat, shockingly heinous and fluctuating interest rates will make it impossible for many to get by. Even ancient Babylon had laws against the shit we allow lenders to get away with.

Usury:

1: interest
2: the lending of money with an interest charge for its use, especially: the lending of money at exorbitant interest rates.
3: an unconscionable or exorbitant rate or amount of interest; specifically: interest in excess of a legal rate charged to a borrower for the use of money.



Quite a few successful ancient empires considered usury to be worse than murder and it was punished accordingly. We, because we are an incredibly wise country, decided to toss out centuries of law and tradition. First in the early 1900’s, we began to gut our usury laws and then under Jimmy Carter they were fully disemboweled. It’s not like we didn’t have a time period to look back on and see what would happen.

800-600 B.C.
The Greeks at first regulate interest, and then deregulate it. After deregulation, there was so much unregulated debt that Athenians were sold into slavery and threatened revolt.



Slavery. Totally different from working endless hours at a job just to pay back a bank. Well, I say pay back a bank, but the amount borrowed has already been paid off tenfold. In reality, the average Joe in debt is paying off interest and more interest and more interest. It’s debt slavery and America is kicking ass.

Old Testament
The Prophet Ezekiel includes usury in a list of “abominable things,” along with rape, murder, robbery and idolatry. Ezekiel 18:19-13.

1750 B.C.
The Code of Hammurabi regulates the interest that can be charged on a loan. Historical records indicate that many loans were made below the legal limit.



What Hammurabi and Ezekiel knew, Americans certainly do not. It’s pretty simple. If you create a debt society by allowing insane interest rates, capital is removed from manufacturing and small business. It all gets pumped into the banks and everything is then out of balance. And it’s not just the money, the top minds head into the financial world, spurning the areas where society needs them, like manufacturing. Eventually it all collapses on itself. Welcome to America.

443 B.C.
The Romans adopt the “Twelve Tables” and cap interest at 8 1/3%



America has become a bunch of clowns scraping by to pay off the financial sector. We are waiters, Wal-mart workers, gas station attendants and Starbucks coffee makers, but overall, the “Financial services sector” employs most Americans directly or indirectly. We have a society built on loans. We are eating ourselves. First we started with our hands, then our arms, our legs and now we are getting into the organs. I just ate my kidneys. Not bad, I suggest grilling.

11th century
In England, the taking of any interest at all is punishable by taking the usurer’s land and chattels.



Now that we have gotten rid of laborers and turned unions into our society’s villains, we are obviously much better off. In 2002 and 2003, the financial sector took in more than "40% of the profits that accrued to US corporations." That’s good right? In 1988 it was half that – because interest rates were relatively normal. Then came the 90's, when every business got into the business of loans. GM wasn’t a car company, it was a financial business that sold cars as a side project. As the financial sector swelled like a fat, sucking tic, our trade deficit exploded. That’s what happens when you stop making shit because profits are better loaning money to the people who used to have jobs making shit. Sadly, Americans did it to themselves by going into debt, little by little, until it was overwhelming. I just devoured my intestines. Not bad with a little balsamic.

Medieval Roman Law
Usurer’s are fined 4X the amount taken, while robbery is penalized at twice the amount taken.



The '70s are when we decided to toss our usury laws aside and rape each other at will. The big case that turned everything upside down was Marquette National Bank v. First of Omaha Service Corp. in 1978. Before that horrible Supreme Court decision, states could set their own interest rate caps. The court ruled that banks could set their rates based on the state “where the bank is located.” No mas. Good bye interest rates under 10%. It was the wild west as far as credit card companies were concerned and we were all victims about to be fed to the pigs in Deadwood.

1570
During the Reign of Queen Elizabeth, interest rates in England are limited to under 10%. This law lasts until 1854.



The awesome thing about high interest rates is it allowed banks to take more risks on lenders. Since they were now charging huge interest rates, they could afford to loan to every hobo in the land. The insane amount of profits would make up for the defaults by the sad sacks would couldn’t make their payments. We’ve actually reached a point now where customers who pay off their cards every month are having their cards cancelled. Good is bad, bad is good and America is a giant pile of shit. I just ate my liver. Boiled it. Don’t recommend that.

Early 18th Century
American colonies adopt usury laws, setting the interest cap at 8%.



The bestest thing of all is how the banks weren’t satisfied with insane interest rates that would have led to their execution back in the day. No, they also had to go with huge overdraft fees, ATM fees, transfer fees, and on and on. And we let them. We did so because we were using credit to get by and in our new mindset of stupidity, getting reamed is how it was done. Fortunately, the banks didn’t keep any of this money in reserve, they kept it flowing and “working,” so when the crisis hit, they had to ask the people they had been bending over a log and raping for a bailout. Thankfully, it’s all legal. I just gobbled up my lungs. Used a straw.

After 1776
All of the States in the Union adopt a general usury. Most states set the interest limit at 6%.



The only way out of this mess is to look at our usury laws again. Interest rates need to be capped at 9%. There is no other way out of this mess. Meanwhile, your president and his Wall Street douchebags/economic gurus, Tim Geithner and Larry Summers, ARE THE PROBLEM. They were and are part of the machine. They will never take such obvious and drastic action because they came up during the heinous period of whatever goes. They know no other way.

So, it’s time to take out the heart and fry it up in a pan with some butter. We’re fucked.

Next week, I’ll cover payday loans, which is actually 100 times worse than credit cards.

FearTheReaper is a writer, actor and stand up comedian. Check back each Tuesday and Friday for more from FearTheReaper

 

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SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

MAY 22, 2009 05:37 PM

Stiles said:

SockPuppet said:

Stiles said:

CobraR said:

If you want to keep up with the jones', then credit is a neccesary evil.



No offense, but living a normal life isn't "keeping up with the Joneses".

For example: some people need a safe, reliable, modern car to tote their kids (or aged parents) around - or get to work - and an '86 S-10 with 190,000 miles ain't gonna cut it. With the average new car purchase being about $30k and the average used purchase being about $14k, credit is a necessity, not a luxury.



Hm. I am a little puzzled by this. I've never paid more than £2200 for a car, ever. I got my driving licence before most SGs were born.


Sure, it's possible to live without it, but doing so entails making compromises that most of the population won't/can't do.



So I guess it must be "won't do", not "can't do".



Like I said:


some people



How many kids do you have with your spouse?



You also said


most of the population



We had one kid. But that's another choice, isn't it? Can't, or won't?

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

MAY 22, 2009 05:46 PM

SockPuppet said:


You also said


most of the population





Yes, I did, and I stand by it. Most of the population needs credit of some type at at least some point in their lives, if not on a regular basis.

I was responding to this comment, BTW:


CobraR said:

If you want to keep up with the jones', then credit is a neccesary evil.



skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

MAY 22, 2009 11:01 PM

As an adult who occasionally travels, I sometimes need to buy airline tickets. Unless I am visiting family, on these occasions I also need to rent cars and make hotel reservations.

It is virtually impossible to do any of those three things without a credit card.

Even if it were still feasible to pay for most things with a personal check, it can hardly be done without that same credit card as a form of ID. In fact, that last bit is why I first got a card years ago. After about a year of whipping out my plastic every time I wrote a check at a store or restaurant, places that preferred plastic as payment, I decided it was no longer rational not to just use the card and leave the checkbook at home.

I never considered any part of that to be "keeping up with the Joneses."

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

MAY 22, 2009 11:17 PM

Stiles said:

motorfirebox said:

my parents bought their most recent car with cash (well, a check drawn on their bank account). it's hardly inconceivable to save up $14k. the difference is simply making your "car payments" ahead of time, rather than after you've purchased the car.



So, your parents never financed a car, ever? Did they buy their house for cash too?


buying a house, moreso than buying a car, is a luxury. my parents financed their first car, and went into quite a bit of debt financing their first house. the process of recovering from those debts taught them to be financially responsible--unlike, it seems, a big chunk of the US. they financed their current house... after formulating a detailed plan that ensured they'd be able to pay it off.

i'm not trying to say that some minimum level of credit isn't necessary to live reasonably well. i'm trying to say that, by and large, we've grossly inflated what "reasonably well" means, to the point that ridiculous amounts of credit seem necessary. the credit most people use are for things like buying a house, or buying a second car, when realistically their means are more able to cover one car and rent. by paying closer attention to one's finances and adjusting one's expectations relative to one's income, it's generally possible to make do with far, far less credit than most people use. it may even be possible to make do with no credit.

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

MAY 23, 2009 08:29 AM

motorfirebox said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

buying a house, moreso than buying a car, is a luxury. my parents financed their first car, and went into quite a bit of debt financing their first house. the process of recovering from those debts taught them to be financially responsible--unlike, it seems, a big chunk of the US. they financed their current house... after formulating a detailed plan that ensured they'd be able to pay it off.

i'm not trying to say that some minimum level of credit isn't necessary to live reasonably well. i'm trying to say that, by and large, we've grossly inflated what "reasonably well" means, to the point that ridiculous amounts of credit seem necessary. the credit most people use are for things like buying a house, or buying a second car, when realistically their means are more able to cover one car and rent. by paying closer attention to one's finances and adjusting one's expectations relative to one's income, it's generally possible to make do with far, far less credit than most people use. it may even be possible to make do with no credit.



That's nice, but it is still not the point I'm making.


CobraR said:

If you want to keep up with the jones', then credit is a neccesary evil.



This is what I am responding to, and the point I'm making is that credit affects many aspects of most people's lives.

Your credit history and score can affect:

Getting certain jobs and/or a security clearance
Getting a cellphone
Renting an apartment or home
Getting a student loan and/or loan rates
Getting car insurance and/or insurance rates
Getting utility service without a big deposit

...beyond the obvious stuff like being denied a car loan or mortgage and/or getting shafted with stiff interest fees. Having a bad credit score (or no credit history at all) affects your life in a myriad of ways, all of which are negative.

Credit (and the credit history/credit score that goes with it) is not a luxury.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

MAY 23, 2009 04:15 PM

Stiles said:

motorfirebox said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

buying a house, moreso than buying a car, is a luxury. my parents financed their first car, and went into quite a bit of debt financing their first house. the process of recovering from those debts taught them to be financially responsible--unlike, it seems, a big chunk of the US. they financed their current house... after formulating a detailed plan that ensured they'd be able to pay it off.

i'm not trying to say that some minimum level of credit isn't necessary to live reasonably well. i'm trying to say that, by and large, we've grossly inflated what "reasonably well" means, to the point that ridiculous amounts of credit seem necessary. the credit most people use are for things like buying a house, or buying a second car, when realistically their means are more able to cover one car and rent. by paying closer attention to one's finances and adjusting one's expectations relative to one's income, it's generally possible to make do with far, far less credit than most people use. it may even be possible to make do with no credit.



That's nice, but it is still not the point I'm making.


CobraR said:

If you want to keep up with the jones', then credit is a neccesary evil.



This is what I am responding to, and the point I'm making is that credit affects many aspects of most people's lives.

Your credit history and score can affect:

Getting certain jobs and/or a security clearance
Getting a cellphone
Renting an apartment or home
Getting a student loan and/or loan rates
Getting car insurance and/or insurance rates
Getting utility service without a big deposit

...beyond the obvious stuff like being denied a car loan or mortgage and/or getting shafted with stiff interest fees. Having a bad credit score (or no credit history at all) affects your life in a myriad of ways, all of which are negative.

Credit (and the credit history/credit score that goes with it) is not a luxury.



That is an equation of worthiness with consumption. I'm sure it does affect Americans' lives in many ways. I'm not at all sure that's a good thing.

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

MAY 23, 2009 08:07 PM

SockPuppet said:

That is an equation of worthiness with consumption. I'm sure it does affect Americans' lives in many ways. I'm not at all sure that's a good thing.



I'm not making a value judgment about credit being good or bad, which is a whole different debate.

gdarklighter

gdarklighter

San Diego, CA
August 2005

MAY 23, 2009 09:43 PM

SockPuppet said:

Stiles said:
Your credit history and score can affect:

Getting certain jobs and/or a security clearance
Getting a cellphone
Renting an apartment or home
Getting a student loan and/or loan rates
Getting car insurance and/or insurance rates
Getting utility service without a big deposit



That is an equation of worthiness with consumption. I'm sure it does affect Americans' lives in many ways. I'm not at all sure that's a good thing.


Did you even read that list? Half of those are basic necessities.

CatholicBoy

CatholicBoy

New Orleans, LA
April 2009

MAY 24, 2009 01:40 AM

Well said. Even under the best of circumstances, banks are a society's parasites. I used to wonder how the people who profit from usury were able to sleep at night. Now I realize they simply lack something the rest of us were born with. It's called "empathy."

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAY 24, 2009 01:49 AM

CatholicBoy said:
Well said. Even under the best of circumstances, banks are a society's parasites. I used to wonder how the people who profit from usury were able to sleep at night. Now I realize they simply lack something the rest of us were born with. It's called "empathy."



Good job of reading the entire thread.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

MAY 24, 2009 06:13 PM

gdarklighter said:

SockPuppet said:

Stiles said:
Your credit history and score can affect:

Getting certain jobs and/or a security clearance
Getting a cellphone
Renting an apartment or home
Getting a student loan and/or loan rates
Getting car insurance and/or insurance rates
Getting utility service without a big deposit



That is an equation of worthiness with consumption. I'm sure it does affect Americans' lives in many ways. I'm not at all sure that's a good thing.


Did you even read that list? Half of those are basic necessities.



Indeed. Curiously, I seem to have managed to get a phone, a security clearance, a student loan, a mortgage, and car insurance without a particularly positive credit history, and certainly without being a big spender; see my car price comment, above. I don't recall being asked for a big deposit on various utilities, either.

I don't know; perhaps I'm misunderstanding what "good credit" means. More likely, I live outside the USA. Which was my point; the current American way of doing things is not the only possible viable way.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

MAY 24, 2009 09:21 PM

I made it to 25 without ever having a credit card or taking out a loan, but it turns out that that was an incredibly bad idea. Now I can't get either, so I can't build a credit score to do some fairly vital things without some rather amazing hoop-jumping.

I'm just a -tad- miffed about that.

gdarklighter

gdarklighter

San Diego, CA
August 2005

MAY 24, 2009 11:31 PM

SockPuppet said:

gdarklighter said:

SockPuppet said:

Stiles said:
Your credit history and score can affect:

Getting certain jobs and/or a security clearance
Getting a cellphone
Renting an apartment or home
Getting a student loan and/or loan rates
Getting car insurance and/or insurance rates
Getting utility service without a big deposit



That is an equation of worthiness with consumption. I'm sure it does affect Americans' lives in many ways. I'm not at all sure that's a good thing.


Did you even read that list? Half of those are basic necessities.



Indeed. Curiously, I seem to have managed to get a phone, a security clearance, a student loan, a mortgage, and car insurance without a particularly positive credit history, and certainly without being a big spender; see my car price comment, above. I don't recall being asked for a big deposit on various utilities, either.

I don't know; perhaps I'm misunderstanding what "good credit" means. More likely, I live outside the USA. Which was my point; the current American way of doing things is not the only possible viable way.


You don't need to be a big spender to have a good credit score. In fact, by not being a big spender, you're in a pretty good place to begin with, since two key factors are a low utilization rate and on-time payments. But it's not just about having good credit. It's about having a credit history at all; bad credit is actually better than no history at all. If you have no credit history, you either need a co-signer on everything, or you're paying ridiculous interest rates or crazy deposits on things from the aforementioned list. The easiest way to build a credit history is with a credit card, and as we've already covered in this thread, the credit card industry has been engaging in some really terrible anti-consumer practices for a long time.

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