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  • TUESDAY NOVEMBER 4 2008 7:30 PM

The Steal You Won't See

Submitted by Greg_Palast

Edited by nicole_powers

Even as they drown in the anger of platoons of pissed-off voters, Republican operatives are swiping ballots with both hands.

Let's start in Georgia. It's here where the sick little vulture named Saxby Chambliss won the US Senate seat six years ago by calling his Democratic opponent, a guy who'd lost three limbs in Vietnam, a friend of Osama bin Laden.

There's no way in hell that Chambliss can slime his way back into the Senate in the face of over half a million newly registered voters (Black and young –– 69% for Obama) without jacking them out of their votes. That's what the Republicans are up to. Right now. As we speak.

Over 50,000 the new voters in Georgia have been blocked from voting by using a nasty little new law, the Help America Vote Act signed by George Bush. (Bush is helping us vote - look out!)

I just got this from Christina Rush in the Peach Pit state:

"They really have stolen my vote and I don't know what to do about it at this late stage. I just found out 2 days ago that I do not exist on the voters rolls in Georgia. I have disappeared. After calling 866-OUR VOTE and the Secretary of State (for GA), it has been determined that the last vote I was accounted for was the 1996 General Election. That's awfully strange to me, considering that I voted in the recent Primaries and that last two General Elections (2000 and 2004).

"Everyone is 'very sorry' this is happening, but no one can tell what I can do to make my vote count for THIS election. The only advice I've been given is to fill out a new voters registration form and I'll be eligible for any future elections, just not THIS one.

"So, what can I do except tell anyone and everyone who will listen?"



And no one is going to listen to you or the other 50,000 dumped voters in Georgia.

I've been studying this all year with my co-investigator, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Here's what we know is going to happen: While Obama is brushing his tux for his Inaugural, six million votes are getting disappeared.

The good news: it won't save them. The GOP is toast. Paint the White House black and blue.

But the steal may save the GOP's ability to savage, obstruct, sabotage and fuck with President Obama's ability to repair the damage of eight years of looting by the unelected junta of the Bush regime. They begin with the theft of the Georgia Senate seat. Will there be others?

Watch this space tonight. We've got a network out there from Florida to Alaska reporting in on the states they're shoplifting as the electorate sweeps them out the door.

Greg Palast
9:45pm EST

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Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

NOV 17, 2008 07:14 PM

leopold said:
Stiles I am aware of the facts you gave, but the police did come and ask the person to leave and said person was carrying a nightstick, and IMO, you may disagree, that would possibly be a little intimidating, for any voter.



The police also asked the Fox News reporter to leave.

Did you not get the part where it is a poor black district and the polling place is smack in the middle of a huge housing project?

No voters were intimidated. None.

leopold

leopold

Oakland, CA
January 2005

NOV 17, 2008 07:15 PM

Stiles said:

leopold said:

lol i am so sorry im not playing by the rules, and your are so upset about that, .....its easy to find just google it



Why don't you try and figure out if the crap you're pushing is bullshit before you post it? This was disproved on election day.




um what am i pushing besides what was on the video

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

NOV 17, 2008 07:16 PM

leopold said:

TheFuckOffKid said:

leopold said:
Yea bean its was on fox news nationally its also on you tube, sorry the daily kos didnt cover this



Are we talking:
- footage?
- eyewitness testimony with corroboration?
- any statement by police?
- rumour, innuendo and scuttlebutt?

Because "yeahmanitwastotallyonFoxNewsandYoutubeandshit" ain't quite gonna cut it.

What was on Fox News and Youtube? Find a link. Find something.




or you could just go to you tube and find it yourself.....


Christ/ You make a claim and I have to check it?

What the hell is wrong with you? Can't you operate your own brain or something? Seriously, what's the malfunction here?

EDIT: NVM. Been dealt with by a grown-up who actually knows stuff.

leopold

leopold

Oakland, CA
January 2005

NOV 17, 2008 07:16 PM

Stiles said:

leopold said:
Stiles I am aware of the facts you gave, but the police did come and ask the person to leave and said person was carrying a nightstick, and IMO, you may disagree, that would possibly be a little intimidating, for any voter.



The police also asked the Fox News reporter to leave.

Did you not get the part where it is a poor black district and the polling place is smack in the middle of a huge housing project?

No voters were intimidated. None.




your missing my point i never said or claim they purposely harassed anyone, but someone standing in front of a polling center with a nightstick could be seen as a little frightening

leopold

leopold

Oakland, CA
January 2005

NOV 17, 2008 07:19 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:

leopold said:

TheFuckOffKid said:

leopold said:
Yea bean its was on fox news nationally its also on you tube, sorry the daily kos didnt cover this



Are we talking:
- footage?
- eyewitness testimony with corroboration?
- any statement by police?
- rumour, innuendo and scuttlebutt?

Because "yeahmanitwastotallyonFoxNewsandYoutubeandshit" ain't quite gonna cut it.

What was on Fox News and Youtube? Find a link. Find something.




or you could just go to you tube and find it yourself.....


Christ/ You make a claim and I have to check it?

What the hell is wrong with you? Can't you operate your own brain or something? Seriously, what's the malfunction here?

EDIT: NVM. Been dealt with by a grown-up who actually knows stuff.



heres a link for you

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

NOV 17, 2008 07:21 PM

leopold said:

your missing my point i never said or claim they purposely harassed anyone, but someone standing in front of a polling center with a nightstick could be seen as a little frightening



Once more, with feeling, pay attention this time:

It's a polling station in a poor, overwhelmingly black public housing project.

Armed guards are common there. A heavy police presence is common there. No voter was intimidated. Come on, think a little, please.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

NOV 17, 2008 07:21 PM

leopold said:
heres a link for you



Being frustrated at your evident and repeated stupidity is frustration, not anger.

I keep hoping that every now and again a CE thread won't be interrupted by a clueless moron with an agenda. But again, and again, and again, it keeps on happening.

Frustration.

leopold

leopold

Oakland, CA
January 2005

NOV 17, 2008 07:31 PM

Stiles said:

leopold said:

your missing my point i never said or claim they purposely harassed anyone, but someone standing in front of a polling center with a nightstick could be seen as a little frightening



Once more, with feeling, pay attention this time:

It's a polling station in a poor, overwhelmingly black public housing project.

Armed guards are common there. A heavy police presence is common there. No voter was intimidated. Come on, think a little, please.




ok i will take your word for it no one was intimidated but why where the police there and why if standing in front of a polling center with a night stick is oky dokey with the voters, and I am taking for granted that only people voting there where from that community, why the cops ask the gentlemen to leave?



Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

NOV 17, 2008 07:31 PM

Fox News Philadelphia managed to figure it out by 6pm election night, for fucks' sake.



Fox 29 spoke with one man, Jerry Jackson, on Tuesday afternoon who said he was a locally elected committee man and entitled to be at the polling place.

"I'm the line manager out here. I'm the committee person for the 14th Ward, 4th Division," said Jackson, who was wearing a Panthers uniform.

A spokeswoman for the DA's office said that office didn't receive a single complaint about voter intimidation at the location.

No charges were filed in Tuesday's incident on Fairmount Avenue.

The McCain campaign immediately expressed concerns.

"We are concerned about any possible intimidation, any improper access to people who are going in to vote, to influence their vote," said Lovida Coleman, of the McCain campaign.

"I personally have not witnessed any intimidation," Coleman added.

When Fox 29 News arrived, voters were entering the polling place without any problems.




Happy now? Christ.

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

NOV 17, 2008 07:33 PM

leopold said:

ok i will take your word for it no one was intimidated but why where the police there and why if standing in front of a polling center with a night stick is oky dokey with the voters, and I am taking for granted that only people voting there where from that community, why the cops ask the gentlemen to leave?



The police will ask anyone loitering around too close to the polls to leave, including the Fox News reporter. The first guy was a 14th ward committeeman who was legally entitled to be there.

leopold

leopold

Oakland, CA
January 2005

NOV 17, 2008 07:36 PM

Stiles said:

leopold said:

ok i will take your word for it no one was intimidated but why where the police there and why if standing in front of a polling center with a night stick is oky dokey with the voters, and I am taking for granted that only people voting there where from that community, why the cops ask the gentlemen to leave?



The police will ask anyone loitering around too close to the polls to leave, including the Fox News reporter. The first guy was a 14th ward committeeman who was legally entitled to be there.




right maybe the officers asked fox news and the gentlemen to leave because they felt that someone MAY be intimidated by that. I understand that one of the gentlemen had full rights to there.

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

NOV 17, 2008 07:38 PM

leopold said:

right maybe the officers asked fox news and the gentlemen to leave because they felt that someone MAY be intimidated by that. I understand that one of the gentlemen had full rights to there.



Monkeys MAY fly out of my ass.


Are you aware of just how ridiculous you're being?

leopold

leopold

Oakland, CA
January 2005

NOV 17, 2008 07:50 PM

nevermind i got my answer


Second, Pennsylvania law protects voters from intimidation and interference, and the relevant provisions could affect your ability to use cameras or video equipment inside a polling place. Section 3530, discussed above, also prohibits "interfer[ing] with any elector when inside the enclosed space or when marking his ballot, or preparing the voting machine for voting." In addition, section 3547 makes it a crime to "practice intimidation or coercion" to compel someone to vote or refrain from voting, or to "impede[], prevent[], or otherwise interfere[] with the free exercise of the elective franchise by any voter." You may not view your use of a camera or video recorder as intimidating, but other voters and election officials may well view it that way, and their discomfort is likely to be more acute if you film inside.

Third, Pennsylvania law strictly regulates activities in and around the polling place with a view towards maintaining order. For instance, section 3060(a) of Title 25 limits the number of voters inside the polling place to ten individuals, and section 3060(b) prohibits re-entry. Inside, section 3057 limits a voter's time in the voting compartment or booth to three minutes. Section 3060(d) prohibits anyone other than voters and certain officials from coming within 10 feet of the polling place. Unless you are in the process of voting, you should therefore steer clear of this area for any purpose. Outside this zone, the law permits you to film, take photographs, and interview other voters (with permission), as long as you are not on someone's private property, and subject to the prohibitions on voter intimidation and interference discussed above.






linky for the unispired

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

NOV 17, 2008 07:55 PM

leopold said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

nevermind i got my answer


Second, Pennsylvania law protects voters from intimidation and interference, and the relevant provisions could affect your ability to use cameras or video equipment inside a polling place. Section 3530, discussed above, also prohibits "interfer[ing] with any elector when inside the enclosed space or when marking his ballot, or preparing the voting machine for voting." In addition, section 3547 makes it a crime to "practice intimidation or coercion" to compel someone to vote or refrain from voting, or to "impede[], prevent[], or otherwise interfere[] with the free exercise of the elective franchise by any voter." You may not view your use of a camera or video recorder as intimidating, but other voters and election officials may well view it that way, and their discomfort is likely to be more acute if you film inside.

Third, Pennsylvania law strictly regulates activities in and around the polling place with a view towards maintaining order. For instance, section 3060(a) of Title 25 limits the number of voters inside the polling place to ten individuals, and section 3060(b) prohibits re-entry. Inside, section 3057 limits a voter's time in the voting compartment or booth to three minutes. Section 3060(d) prohibits anyone other than voters and certain officials from coming within 10 feet of the polling place. Unless you are in the process of voting, you should therefore steer clear of this area for any purpose. Outside this zone, the law permits you to film, take photographs, and interview other voters (with permission), as long as you are not on someone's private property, and subject to the prohibitions on voter intimidation and interference discussed above.






linky for the unispired



Right. That's why both the Fox News reporter and the other guy were both asked to leave. Understand now? There was no intimidation and no complaints to the police, any city agency or independent watchdog group.

This is a non-issue.

leopold

leopold

Oakland, CA
January 2005

NOV 17, 2008 07:59 PM

"right maybe the officers asked fox news and the gentlemen to leave because they felt that someone MAY be intimidated by that"


I understood from the begining



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