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Filtering the Truth: Religion - Friend or Foe?

Spirituality is a wonderful thing. I have my reservations about religion though. Although some think it's one in the same, I do not. In fact, I think we'd be better off if we all thought that way. Who's to say whose God is the right one to worship? If you pick the wrong one, are you going to be damned even if you live a good life? And what if your deity tells you to do one thing while another tells someone else that you are misguided? With all the strife in the world and all the conflict it causes, I have to wonder... at what point does religion hinder us?

For the last 10 years of my life, I've been pretty non-religious in my personal life. I have spoken out in subtle ways, putting deliberate lyrics out on my albums Short Bus, Title of Record and The Amalgamut that hinted at the beliefs and questions I have on the topic. Something that has always comforted me, as an American, was that the United States was founded on the ideals of FREEDOM: Freedom of religion and freedom of speech. But the reality is, if we do not adhere to the mainstream ideals of religion, we might not feel free to speak our minds.

When I am talking openly about my thoughts on the subject, some people roll their eyes in disgust, like I'm some kind of an asshole because I don't believe like they do. In times of trouble, I turn to what I consider to be my Higher Power-not a higher BEING but a higher POWER...which is the incredible power of nature. So I understand this need to believe in something greater than oneself. But THEIR religion is not MY answer. What's wrong with that?

Now why is this guy brining up THIS topic on the Suicide Girls site, you may be asking yourself right about now... and the reason is: Bill Maher's Religulous and the movie W. Two great new films, which moved me to speak my mind about religion, its unfortunate place in our government, and how -- depending on your perspective -- it might not be such a good thing for the planet.

Many years ago, peasants were stealing from each other and murderers were running rampant throughout the world. To deal with the mayhem, rulers came to the conclusion that putting the fear of God in the masses would keep them in line. Organized religion started as a way for those in power to get what they needed from the people. It's true to this day. Barack Obama was right on when he said that people on the outskirts of society, in rural areas, cling to their guns and religion. And I think that's a scary thing.

Modern organized religion just seems like a lot of hypocrisy to me. Not one religion can prove that they alone are right. Similarly none are blameless –– I mean, how many deaths have been caused by religion? Can you name one religion where people haven't died in its name?

The 19 hijackers on 9/11 read something in the Koran, declared Jihad and decided that Americans should die. Their religion was the catalyst for them to do something insane. When a right-to-lifer blows up an abortion clinic, they do it in the name of God. Save a life by taking lives? In the name of religion? Hitler killed the Jews (and other people who weren't like him, for that matter), and Christians killed people who were Christian –– but weren't the right kind –– during the Spanish Inquisition. I think religion is clouding everyone's thinking. When George W. Bush started saying, "God has spoken to me," and used this belief as an excuse to go to war with Iraq, many Christians in this country were nodding their heads and saying, "YES!"

If someone I knew said that God told him to pick a fight with someone, I would smack him in the face to snap him out of it. That's the same reason why I wouldn't make big decisions based on the advice of someone who uses an Ouija board or who believes in astrology, because it's dangerous.

I have a religious Christian friend who says the world is 6000 years old, and carbon dating is fake and unreliable –– faked by thousands of scientists and universities all over the world. He chooses to ignore the geological proof of evolution and the fact that this planet is billions of years old, scientifically speaking, because it's so overwhelmingly against the Christian version of the story. This friend of mine says that God created man out of sand in seven days... and this is coming from a 26-year-old man.

Religion blinds to the point of irrationality. It also conveniently dehumanizes. In California, we have a bill on the ballot known as Proposition 8, which deals with whether or not gay people can marry. I get calls daily from different people who have different opinions on the subject. The religious people seem to have a problem with homosexuality –– same-sex people in love –– though Jesus supposedly preached love above all else. Just because some people interpret a book to say that it's wrong for two same-sex people to be in love, our government tries to deny those people's fundamental rights to live peacefully and equally.

And then we have a religious book, the Koran, that says women should be treated like second-class citizens. They should have to cover themselves from head to toe with burkas. They should only be wives and mothers. They can't drive a car. They can't vote. In most Arab countries, they have no voice at all. It's like they don't exist. All in the name of religion. The same religion that inspires the Jihadists to bring down big, bad America.

I mean, what is all of this saying to our youth? I have a daughter. I want her to grow up knowing she can be who she is -- whoever she turns out to be -- and can do whatever she wants to do in life. Can't we put these religious texts in CONTEXT?

At times, I find myself on my knees, begging for something good to happen but wondering whom to beg. I would be really happy if there was a paradise after we die, but I don't think any of us should have to wait. My family, my friends, my planet, this should be our paradise NOW. This ain't the dress rehearsal people. This is the SHOW! We need to stop waiting for the man in the sky to take care of everything, let's do it OURSELVES. Let's do it NOW!


Richard Patrick is the frontman for the rock band Filter. Their latest album, Anthems for the Damned, which features the single "Soldiers of Misfortune," is in stores now. A download-only collection of Anthems tracks re-worked, titled Remixes for the Damned, will be available online from November 4. The band are currently on tour. Click HERE for more info.

 

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silversoul7

silversoul7

Portland, OR
January 2008

NOV 05, 2008 12:36 PM

Toku666 said:
Atheists can have something like spirituality; the "magic and wonder" is the fucking universe. It is practically infinite, and contains practically infinite moving parts that work together in all kinds of utterly amazing ways.


Certainly. I don't think spirituality necessarily has to entail a specific metaphysical view. I think Carl Sagan was a very spiritual man.

Why isn't that enough?


It is for some, and that's fine. Others feel a certain inner calling that tells them there's more to it than that.

Boomie

Boomie

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

NOV 05, 2008 12:37 PM

I hate this country
And right now, my state
California

And moreso, I hope that anyone who voted yes on prop 8 in Cali get run over
Or falls down stairs

And I mean that

Accuser

Accuser

Scottsdale, AZ
October 2006

NOV 05, 2008 12:45 PM

silversoul7 said:
By your own description, you don't understand what spirituality is, so of course you don't know what you're talking about. I thought that was a given.



But I am capable of understanding it if you can explain it coherently. Or if anyone can. If there's any reason to suspect that anything beyond the natural is going on, please show me.

I think a fear of religion guides people a lot too. For instance there is a lot of evidence that the earth is 6000 years old can't prove that it is or isn't there is just as much evidence against evolution as there is in support of it, but nobody wants to see this because if you don't belive in the old earth theorys and in evolution then you must be religion and they think that there is no way to argue these facts with science and logic.



No, there isn't any evidence that the earth is 6000 years old. There is false evidence that has been debunked time and time again.

There is no evidence against evolution. None. There may be evidence that causes us to change the model of evolution, but no evidence has yet been discovered to overturn the idea. Lack of transitional fossils is not evidence against it, nor is so-called "irreducible complexity".

They don't want to argue with you because you've clearly set reality aside so that you can come to your own conclusions. The arguments have already been made with science and logic, they're all over. Here's a place where you can catch up.

Cimmerian

Cimmerian

I'm lost
May 2006

NOV 05, 2008 12:47 PM

n8tvegrl said:


I guess I just like to see the magic and wonder in life. Maybe I'm wrong but at least I have magic and wonder in my life.



Have you looked in a mirror lately? love

Twelve

Twelve

Bay City, MI
April 2007

NOV 05, 2008 12:50 PM

silversoul7 said:

It is ambiguous, but any person who has any sense of spirituality in their life knows exactly what I'm talking about.



I don't mean to equate you with 9/11 conspiracy theorists, but this is the same logic they try to exploit in making their arguments.

"If you don't believe me, it's because you've been tricked."

It provides no evidence for the actual claim, and further, it is a tautology.

Accuser said:
See Jesus? On the right side?

Now try to un-see that.



I thought it looked like a chibi character.



n8tvegrl said:
I guess I just like to see the magic and wonder in life. Maybe I'm wrong but at least I have magic and wonder in my life.



Spurious argument. As an athiest I can attest that I find all sorts of magic and wonder in life and the universe in general. I just don't literally attribute it to magic.

grazing_cattle said:
I think a fear of religion guides people a lot too. For instance there is a lot of evidence that the earth is 6000 years old can't prove that it is or isn't there is just as much evidence against evolution as there is in support of it, but nobody wants to see this because if you don't belive in the old earth theorys and in evolution then you must be religion and they think that there is no way to argue these facts with science and logic.



You might want to go read some Stephen J. Gould.

silversoul7

silversoul7

Portland, OR
January 2008

NOV 05, 2008 12:52 PM

Twelve said:

silversoul7 said:

It is ambiguous, but any person who has any sense of spirituality in their life knows exactly what I'm talking about.



I don't mean to equate you with 9/11 conspiracy theorists, but this is the same logic they try to exploit in making their arguments.

"If you don't believe me, it's because you've been tricked."

It provides no evidence for the actual claim, and further, it is a tautology.


No conspiracy here. Just a communication barrier. How do you explain love to someone who's never experienced it?

Ferretbite

Ferretbite

Mexico
September 2006

NOV 05, 2008 12:58 PM

Twelve said:

Cimmerian said:

silversoul7 said:

Accuser said:
Now, could someone explain exactly what is meant by "spirituality"?


Connection to one's higher power.



Define "higher power."



This is a game we could play all day! Invite your whole family!



There was a scene in Wall-E that went like this...

zoom image

Now, that being said, about this paragraph:


Modern organized religion just seems like a lot of hypocrisy to me. Not one religion can prove that they alone are right. Similarly none are blameless -- I mean, how many deaths have been caused by religion? Can you name one religion where people haven't died in its name?


It's unlikely that any religion can prove that they're "right" because the whole concept is not one built around evidence but faith, hence the contrast between religion and science. You can disprove a fellow scientist based on new findings, it's been done for ages, but religion is a different animal, therefore, one can't be proven to be better than the other, in the sense of being more accurate.

This impossibility leads to the second part of the quoted paragraph, holy war is what happens when groups of people who believe blindly in something are rallied up by a leader that tells them that the one thing that they have that nobody questions is threatened. But in that aspect, religion isn't very different from politics or even sports, even though the scale is clearly larger.

n8tvegrl

n8tvegrl

Bend, OR
February 2004

NOV 05, 2008 01:07 PM

Cimmerian said:

n8tvegrl said:


I guess I just like to see the magic and wonder in life. Maybe I'm wrong but at least I have magic and wonder in my life.



Have you looked in a mirror lately? love



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Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

NOV 05, 2008 01:32 PM

grazing_cattle said:
I think a fear of religion guides people a lot too. For instance there is a lot of evidence that the earth is 6000 years old can't prove that it is or isn't there is just as much evidence against evolution as there is in support of it, but nobody wants to see this because if you don't belive in the old earth theorys and in evolution then you must be religion and they think that there is no way to argue these facts with science and logic.



This is one of the stupidest posts I have ever seen. It is so devoid of any facts, logic or any semblance of coherent thought, it should earn some kind of reward. Congratulations.

Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

NOV 05, 2008 01:34 PM

silversoul7 said:
By your own description, you don't understand what spirituality is, so of course you don't know what you're talking about. I thought that was a given.



Ah yes, spirituality, you either get it or you don't. Can't be explained. Just like physics, or math, or how to drive a car. Can't explain any of those either, you just have to know it.

Wonderful argument, you totally convinced me.

Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

NOV 05, 2008 01:35 PM

Accuser said:
It's less like looking at the 3D pictures with dots, more like looking at this:
[IMG|328x297]http://yoism.reality-movement.org/images/Penn&Teller/JesusToast.JPG[/IMG]

See Jesus? On the right side?

Now try to un-see that.

Now, does this toast actually depict Jesus, or does it just happen to be burned in a random pattern that kind of aligns with what we'd expect Jesus to look like?

Welcome to pereidolia.

Jesus? Shit I though I just found Osama Bin-Laden. Buttery, buttery Osama.

silversoul7

silversoul7

Portland, OR
January 2008

NOV 05, 2008 01:52 PM

Varuka_Salt said:

silversoul7 said:
By your own description, you don't understand what spirituality is, so of course you don't know what you're talking about. I thought that was a given.



Ah yes, spirituality, you either get it or you don't. Can't be explained. Just like physics, or math, or how to drive a car. Can't explain any of those either, you just have to know it.

Wonderful argument, you totally convinced me.


I was never out to convince anyone. But I'm glad I could provide a target for your ridicule. I hope it made you feel better.

n8tvegrl

n8tvegrl

Bend, OR
February 2004

NOV 05, 2008 02:05 PM

silversoul7 said:

Varuka_Salt said:

silversoul7 said:
By your own description, you don't understand what spirituality is, so of course you don't know what you're talking about. I thought that was a given.



Ah yes, spirituality, you either get it or you don't. Can't be explained. Just like physics, or math, or how to drive a car. Can't explain any of those either, you just have to know it.

Wonderful argument, you totally convinced me.


I was never out to convince anyone. But I'm glad I could provide a target for your ridicule. I hope it made you feel better.



I often get oversnarky during discussion on the internet... I'm hoping he's not always that belittling and it's just one of those days.

Btw... thanks for braving a thread like this with your opinion (as unpopular as it is around here).

Twelve

Twelve

Bay City, MI
April 2007

NOV 05, 2008 02:07 PM

silversoul7 said:

No conspiracy here. Just a communication barrier. How do you explain love to someone who's never experienced it?



Spirituality is a belief in the supernatural.

That isn't a feeling or emotion like love. It's an idea. Any emotion is difficult to explain; I think this is resulting in a collusion of terms here, where you are talking about a feeling and others believe you are talking about an idea.

I apologize if that's putting words in your mouth.

Ferretbite

Ferretbite

Mexico
September 2006

NOV 05, 2008 02:21 PM

Varuka_Salt said:

Accuser said:
It's less like looking at the 3D pictures with dots, more like looking at this:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

[IMG|328x297]http://yoism.reality-movement.org/images/Penn&Teller/JesusToast.JPG[/IMG]


See Jesus? On the right side?

Now try to un-see that.

Now, does this toast actually depict Jesus, or does it just happen to be burned in a random pattern that kind of aligns with what we'd expect Jesus to look like?

Welcome to pereidolia.


Jesus? Shit I though I just found Osama Bin-Laden. Buttery, buttery Osama.


What are you, high? That's Sirius Black.

Now, forgive me for jumping in on your other discussion, but I think silversoul7 actually has a valid point. You can explain math, and you can explain physics because those are things you can actually demonstrate, it's in their nature. Some other things, like faith for instance, can't be demonstrated.

The way I read his sentence, it's analog to someone saying to me "You say you don't understand basic physics, therefore you can't teach acceleration of particles to anyone". It doesn't mean I can't ever understand physics, it just means if I begin making graphics and lecturing folks, I'll be talking about things I admit I don't really know...

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