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  • TUESDAY AUGUST 12 2008 5:30 AM

More Bush Failure

The situation in Georgia is deteriorating rapidly. For those of you who have had your heads shoved up your asses, here’s a recap and some history from Redbstrd. Georgia has been a tinderbox for years and the last thing one needs during a tinderbox situation is the simplistic, one note diplomacy of George Bush and company. He fucked the pooch on this one, plain and simple.

Historically, this is a very fucked up situation.Think Israel and Palestine. Georgia has been opposed to their aggressive Russian neighbors for centuries. And two regions inside Georgia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, are opposed to aggressive Georgia rule. In the end, the regions don’t want to be a part of Georgia, so they looked to Russia for help. Georgia invaded the capital of South Ossetia this week and Russia responded by invading, too. The conflict has now spread to Abkhazia and beyond. That’s the incredibly simplistic summary of a conflict that has been going on since the late 1700s. You want more, read this. Oh, and don’t forget about the oil. Seems every conflict in the world includes oil as part of the equation.

We should be concerned about what our part in this mess is and how to make sure we don’t do more damage.

The Bush administration encouraged Georgia president Mikheil Saakashvili to apply for NATO membership. This really couldn’t have been a more ignorant stance to take. During a time of increasing nationalism in Russia, that reminds some of past fascist rulers, encouraging a Russian border country, with a history of conflicts, to join NATO is completely moronic. Oh, and Russia said they would not allow it.


Both Putin and his successor as president, Dmitri Medvedev, have reserved their starkest rhetoric for this subject. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has threatened that Georgia's ambition to join NATO "will lead to renewed bloodshed," adding, as if that weren't enough, "we will do anything not to allow Georgia and Ukraine to join NATO."


No, shit. Anyone who had bothered to read any history of the region would have known that, but we are talking about a president who didn’t know the difference between Shiites and Sunnis when he invaded Iraq. Nuance and intelligence are the enemies of George Bush.

Bush has been giving weapons and training to Georgia for several years, while he pushed for the country’s entry into NATO. Europe said, “No thanks,” because they are not fucking morons. They knew if Georgia was allowed into NATO, it would mean war with Russia, which is exactly where we would be now if our retarded president had his way. We would be at war with Russia, obligated by NATO treaties to send troops to defend Georgia. Sound good? That’s how stupid Bush and his people are.

Now, throw in the fact that the U.S. has invaded two countries in the past seven years, and we actually don’t have the ability to take a stance against an aggressive Russia. Bush invaded Iraq by using false intelligence, lying to the UN and the American people. It’s kind of hard for a guy who killed someone, standing with blood all over his hands, to call someone else a murderer, without everyone looking at him funny. Also, any military or other support we could have given Georgia is being used in two wars. And Russia knows that.

But, it’s not like some in the Bush administration aren’t calling for the U.S. to jump into this fight. Colossal dipshit and the greatest threat to America since the Japanese, Vice President Dick Cheney, would like us to get in this fucker.


Cheney spoke Sunday afternoon with Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili. "The vice president expressed the United States' solidarity with the Georgian people and their democratically elected government in the face of this threat to Georgia's sovereignty and territorial integrity," Cheney's press secretary, Lee Ann McBride, said.

Cheney told Saakashvili "Russian aggression must not go unanswered, and that its continuation would have serious consequences for its relations with the United States, as well as the broader international community.”


Oh, good. Call up the president of Georgia and act like you are president of the United States, dick. What a completely insane promise to make. What the fuck does "not go unanswered" mean? Judging by past Bush administration responses, that ain't good. But then, these are the same neo-con idiots who have wreaked havoc on the world, so it can’t be a big surprise.


At an emergency session of the United Nations' Security Council, the U.S. alleged Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili "must go."

"This is completely unacceptable and crosses a line," said the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Zalmay Khalilzad, who made the allegation.


Okay. Line crossed. What do you propose, genius? The people of Georgia are expecting our support because of this EXACT TYPE OF LANGUAGE over the years.


One soldier, his face a mask of exhaustion, cradled a Kalashnikov.

“We killed as many of them as we could,” he said. “But where are our friends?”


Not coming. Not actually your friends.


When they met Western journalists, they all said the same thing: Where is the United States? When is NATO coming?


It's not and we're in Iraq and Afghanistan.


“Tell your government,” said a man named Truber, fresh from the side of the Tbilisi hospital bed where his son was being treated for combat injuries. “If you had said something stronger, we would not be in this.”

He had not slept for three days, and he was angry — at himself, at Georgia, but mainly at the United States. “If you want to help, you have to help the end,” he said.


Sorry about that. How about a mint?


“Write exactly what I say,” he said. “Over the past few years, I lived in a democratic society. I was happy. And now America and the European Union are spitting on us.”


It's called being on the other end of Bush foreign policy. Kind of a bummer, huh?


“The biggest problem here is you, your country,” he said. “You said that the Soviets were an evil empire, but it’s you that are the empire.

“Not you personally, of course,” he added. “But your government.”


Smell that? It’s smells familiar, kind of like the Shiites rising up against Saddam Hussein under the first President George Bush, after he encouraged them to fight, after he insinuated they would be aided in their battle, after he stupidly made public statements he should not have made. They were slaughtered, just as the Georgians are being slaughtered today.


It was he who in February 1991, as American forces were driving Saddam's troops out of Kuwait, called for the people of Iraq to rise up and overthrow the dictator. That message was repeatedly broadcast across Iraq. Eager to end decades of repression, the Shiites arose.

But then George H. W. Bush blew the whistle. Things had got out of hand. What Bush had wanted was not a messy popular uprising but a neat military coup -- another strongman more amenable to Western interests.

But the Bush administration didn't just turn its back; it actually aided Saddam to suppress the Intifada.


Bush I basically told the Shiites we had their back and they were slaughtered, while our soldiers were forced to watch, unable to engage. Now Bush II has done the same with Georgia and the result is not surprising.

John McCain, of course, wants to make the situation worse. Old School believes the situation escalated because NATO didn’t vote Georgia into the organization. Uh, yeah. That would be true, I guess, in a world where Russia didn’t say the exact opposite.


"I urge Nato allies to revisit the decision," McCain said. Echoing his past support for removing Russia from the G8, he urged the US to convene an emergency meeting of G7 foreign ministers.


Hey, World War III! How you been? John McCain actually wants us to do the exact opposite of what should be done. Just to summarize, he wants NATO to vote for a war with Russia. Because, you know, that’s what happens when you bring a country into NATO who is at war with Russia. Johnny wants to play “bluff” with Russia and hope they would back down. You know, the Russia that is going through a bout of insane nationalism and knows the U.S. is incredibly weak militarily. Hey, draft age guys, you up for it, or what?

Oh, and please don’t pay attention to the fact that McCain's top foreign policy advisor was a lobbyist for...Georgia.


John McCain's top foreign-policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, is a leading expert on U.S.-allied Georgia -- and was a paid lobbyist for the former Soviet republic until March.


It’s interesting. A McCain win could mean World War III, but any destabilization in the world only helps McCain because of his military background. It’s weird, but somebody predicted a more unstable world as part of his future election breakdown. And hey, he also predicted the surge would be a success! Who would have thought with all that paying off of the enemy and whatnot….

FearTheReaper is a writer, actor and stand up comic. You can read more of his blathering on his blog, Stop All Monsters.

 

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prix

prix

Bronx, NY
July 2005

AUG 12, 2008 09:33 PM

wow relax guy...

Skeletone

Skeletone

Lowell, MA
May 2008

AUG 12, 2008 09:35 PM

Bill_the_Cat said:
Maybe you need to read it again. He's accusing, and providing evidence to prove, that your government is responsible for acting with ignorant arrogance in promoting Georgia's application for NATO membership when they didn't have the means or intention of providing the necessary support to protect them from the inevitable Russian anger.
It's called writing a check your ass can't cash, and they've done it. Again.



FTR isn't providing evidence, he's expressing his opinion. I'm not even saying he's wrong. But at the same time, it the constant stream of U.S. bashing gets tiresome.

puke puke puke

MessyJesse

MessyJesse

Roanoke, VA
February 2008

AUG 12, 2008 09:35 PM

prix said:
wow relax guy...



Oh, my bad I thought this was the CE board...

MessyJesse

MessyJesse

Roanoke, VA
February 2008

AUG 12, 2008 09:36 PM

CaptainTripps said:

Bill_the_Cat said:
Maybe you need to read it again. He's accusing, and providing evidence to prove, that your government is responsible for acting with ignorant arrogance in promoting Georgia's application for NATO membership when they didn't have the means or intention of providing the necessary support to protect them from the inevitable Russian anger.
It's called writing a check your ass can't cash, and they've done it. Again.



FTR isn't providing evidence, he's expressing his opinion. I'm not even saying he's wrong. But at the same time, it the constant stream of U.S. bashing gets tiresome.

puke puke puke



Yeah, I know, fucking dissent. What did it ever do for anyone?
whatever

Skeletone

Skeletone

Lowell, MA
May 2008

AUG 12, 2008 09:36 PM

MessyJesse said:
FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! Do any of you people actually read? If you check out the second paragraph (you know, the one FTR pointed out to the mindless troll who posted something similar to your crap about ten posts ago) you will notice that FTR explicitly states that this conflict has been going on for ages. He isn't arguing the entire conflict is Bush's fault, only that Bush pushing for Georgia to enter NATO was a mistake and likely inflamed the current situation. Read for comprehension my friend.



My beef isn't with FTR's article. It's with the absolutely typical comments that it's all OUR fault.

MessyJesse said:
Yeah, I know, fucking dissent. What did it ever do for anyone?
whatever



There's dissent and there's hopping on the bandwagon.


_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

AUG 12, 2008 09:39 PM

prix said:
wow relax guy...



Hmm, that's new. A laid back war-hawk.

'Chill baby, let's nuke em'. Ahhhh yeah.'



Seriously, you might want to avoid CE if you can't handle the debate.

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

AUG 12, 2008 09:41 PM

MessyJesse said:
FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! Do any of you people actually read?



Remember in school, all those kids who failed the most simplistic reading comprehension tests.

e.g.


"Peter threw the red ball."

What did Peter throw?
a) The red ball
b) Nothing
c) He went and got ice cream, it was tasty.



Yep, those kids that responded c), you remember them. They were in college and still didn't know how to write a basic 5 paragraph essay and read cliffnotes instead of actually reading the books they were assigned. They would constantly whine and complain about how "boring" Shakespeare plays were.

Unfortunately, it looks like they also enjoy tattooed boobies.



Bill_the_Cat

Bill_the_Cat

Vanier, ON
May 2005

AUG 12, 2008 09:44 PM

CaptainTripps said:

MessyJesse said:
FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! Do any of you people actually read? If you check out the second paragraph (you know, the one FTR pointed out to the mindless troll who posted something similar to your crap about ten posts ago) you will notice that FTR explicitly states that this conflict has been going on for ages. He isn't arguing the entire conflict is Bush's fault, only that Bush pushing for Georgia to enter NATO was a mistake and likely inflamed the current situation. Read for comprehension my friend.



My beef isn't with FTR's article. It's with the absolutely typical comments that it's all OUR fault.





That may be because all too often US foreign policy has the same effect as lighting a match in a fireworks factory. You might only want to light up the darkness, but you haven't thought through the unintended consequences.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

AUG 12, 2008 09:45 PM

CaptainTripps said:

MessyJesse said:
FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! Do any of you people actually read? If you check out the second paragraph (you know, the one FTR pointed out to the mindless troll who posted something similar to your crap about ten posts ago) you will notice that FTR explicitly states that this conflict has been going on for ages. He isn't arguing the entire conflict is Bush's fault, only that Bush pushing for Georgia to enter NATO was a mistake and likely inflamed the current situation. Read for comprehension my friend.



My beef isn't with FTR's article. It's with the absolutely typical comments that it's all OUR fault.



61 years of American hegemony and we can't take criticism? We get what we want, when we want it and complain about the consequences. It isn't easy being the biggest kid around, you know.

CaptainTripps said:

MessyJesse said:
Yeah, I know, fucking dissent. What did it ever do for anyone?
whatever



There's dissent and there's hopping on the bandwagon.



The 'bandwagon' charge is flimsy; both sides have made so many bandwagon accusations over the years it's lost all meaning.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

AUG 12, 2008 09:46 PM

prix said:
umm so seriously, why is Bush getting blamed for this one? I mean sure he's not the greatest president of all time, but damn, why lay every event at his feet? He's not the only one in the world that makes decisions you know....
he's had one of the toughest periods as a president, any decision that he would of made would of been met with great opposition; I for one support him 110% and hope we carry on with John McCain as the next president.
but I guess that's the new liberal world view...hope it fades away from this country for good..



Ok, lets see if I can break this down.

1. You don't understand history.

2. You have poor reading comp. skills.

3. You have no clue about the realities of world politics.

4. You don't understand the simple facts about Bush (he hasn't had "one of the toughest periods as a president..." He CREATED the period.)

5. You don't believe in presidential responsiblity.

6. You're in favor of WWIII.

7. You dismiss what you don't understand.

8. You fail.

MessyJesse

MessyJesse

Roanoke, VA
February 2008

AUG 12, 2008 09:46 PM

CaptainTripps said:
My beef isn't with FTR's article. It's with the absolutely typical comments that it's all OUR fault.



I seem to have missed who said that... and I certainly don't feel that way. The Bush administration, however, is completely fair game in my opinion.


There's dissent and there's hopping on the bandwagon.



Who is "hopping on the bandwagon"? Personally I feel that pieces like this and open dialogue in general are imperative in a democracy. Whether or not you feel that people are ganging up on your worldview is irrelevant. Not to mention, I think that most people posting in here have true feelings about this issue and back those feelings up with well thought out rhetoric (obviously there are exceptions) and for you to simply discount their opinion as "jumping on the bandwagon" is ridiculous.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

AUG 12, 2008 09:47 PM

Obama is, once again, very disappointing.


Going forward, the United States and Europe must support the people of Georgia. Beyond immediate humanitarian assistance, we must provide economic assistance, and help rebuild what has been destroyed. I have consistently called for deepening relations between Georgia and transatlantic institutions, including a Membership Action Plan for NATO, and we must continue to press for that deeper relationship.



Not helping.

But, hey, at least he doesn't appear "weak." Just stupid.

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

AUG 12, 2008 09:49 PM

joker_ said:

MessyJesse said:
FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! Do any of you people actually read?



Remember in school, all those kids who failed the most simplistic reading comprehension tests.

Unfortunately, it looks like they also enjoy tattooed boobies.



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prix

prix

Bronx, NY
July 2005

AUG 12, 2008 10:02 PM

hah well...
these are all opinnions and everyone's entitled to their own I suppose...even the canucks.
yes, I am pro war & conservative and I see nothnig wrong with being the biggest superpower for the time being and doing what superpowers do best..it's just the natural state of things. Find a superpower/imperialist nation in the history books that got along with everyone by sitting down and having tea and marshmellows over a camp fire.
sure, sucks to be the guy/gal/country on the receiving end, but you know what, too bad for them, I like it here and I support my nation 100%



vote McCain btw kiddies tongue

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

AUG 12, 2008 10:06 PM

prix said:
hah well...
these are all opinnions and everyone's entitled to their own I suppose...even the canucks.
yes, I am pro war & conservative and I see nothnig wrong with being the biggest superpower for the time being and doing what superpowers do best..it's just the natural state of things. Find a superpower/imperialist nation in the history books that got along with everyone by sitting down and having tea and marshmellows over a camp fire.


And I'd like you to find a superpower/imperialist nation that didn't destroy itself.

Seriously. Go read history.


sure, sucks to be the guy/gal/country on the receiving end, but you know what, too bad for them, I like it here and I support my nation 100%



vote McCain btw kiddies tongue



Wow. True idiocy, and damn proud of it.

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